How Important is Strength

No offense taken. For what its worth I hold a 2nd dan taekwondo and 1st dan hapkido. I was 200 lbs when I started lifting weights and am now 260. What would not seem to fit my styles of choice,is that I have also done mma and submission grappling. I believe the most important thing is technique,then speed,then power. The longer I train the more I believe in utilizing what you’re best at and what suits your body type.

So,the guy I was referring to has decent boxing skills,but I wouldn’t recommend with his body.that he should do much of that in a fight. He should strike and ground and pound,as an example. Myself,being 6’6" like to strike,go to ground when necessary and then back to feet asap. This doesn’t mean I can’t grapple. I just believe its best.suited.to my build. I am not worried about being the best boxer,because I am not boxing.

Just as a brief example,I’ve used submissions like a reverse neck crank(well suited to long arms). I am not too quick to post my ideas because they get pulled apart and criticized. I will say,I’ve seen a 14 year old girl submit a man with a thumb lock and a key lock can be done on the ground if you know what you’re doing.

Ok, I think I get you and we’re on the same page. I appreciate you taking my post in the spirit it was intended.

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
Ok, I think I get you and we’re on the same page. I appreciate you taking my post in the spirit it was intended. [/quote]

All good my man. I wouldn’t wanna try boxing you,so…:slight_smile:

[quote]Dude623 wrote:
I used to have a sparring partner that was 300 plus, squatted 600, benched just shy of 500 and was able to fight without gassing. I would fight him at a weight of 190lbs. I learned never to get caught in his wheel house, he torn my intercostal muscles to make that point. 2 weeks later to the day I gave him a class one laforte fracture with my right hand to make my point. He’s the one that had to sit out the rest of the season.
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I think you both need to reconsider your training and sparring philosophy.

We where in the final 2 wks prior to a toughman, one of three all out sparring sessions, before laying off. We had two coaches there that day, trying to bring out our aggressive side. And we were very competitive toward each other at the time. We are great friends now. I had spent over a year getting ready for this particular fight, and was not going to stop preparing. So I hot molded some 1/4 lexan to the left rib cage and ace wrapped it up and continued to prepare. Yeah sparring hurt like hell. That’s why they call it toughman.

That’s where the rubber meets the road isn’t it? Not gonna talk your way out of that one. All the theory in the world isn’t gonna help you. Kill.or be killed.lol. personally,I am a big believer in not hurting training partners,we are there to help eachother get better. However,when someone opens the door,they deserve what they get. Master Yu told me,when training,if someone hits you hard,hit them back harder. Have the 2 of you ever gone all out like that again?

Interesting discussion. I have to say that personally, I always felt that a hellacious spar taught me a lot more than regular sparring, although it is certainly more draining mentally and physically. Nigel Benn apparently used to only spar about 20 rounds or so in preparation for a fight, but they were barbaric rounds. I feel similar, although I know it isn’t the case for a lot of guys I trained with or coached. Personally, I found sparring difficult, because I couldn’t get up for it with my gym mates, who I liked and respected. I am not good at competition for competition’s sake, so I only really tend to come alive in a proper bout, where it’s balls to the wall and the other guy is looking to do hurt. The skill and effectiveness I was able to demonstrate sparring were far less than I was able to demonstrate in a bout.

It’s a hard one to judge, and when I coached, I used to encourage a constructive and cooperative approach to sparring - keeping it technical and allowing each other to work on skills and improve. I realise I’m not going anywhere with this post, just interested in the conversation.

Edit: I use ‘personally’ too much

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
I think a better example would be someone like Lesnar. While Brock had a solid wrestling pedigree upon entering the UFC, his striking and submission skill sets were quite remedial. Yet, with only 2 fights under his belt (1 a submission loss to a then much smaller Frank Mir), he was able to defeat then Champ Randy Couture. He then went on to manhandle Mir in their rematch. Both of those fights and even his fight with Herring were won primarily due to his superior strength and size, though unlike Mariusz Brock did have legitimate skill in at least one of the primary MMA skillsets (wrestling).[/quote]

The very first Lesnar-Mir fight really seems like a crucial example here that can be twisted to support both sides of this debate. Does anyone else remember Brock just tossing Mir around for the first few minutes…and then quickly getting submitted? His brute strength did give him a chance to just overwhelm Mir, and he nearly did, but Mir withstood the onslaught, found his opening, and caught Lesnar for the W.

I also recall, funny example though it might be, a wrestling match from when I was in ninth grade. I was matched against a much more muscular kid who was a little bit less experienced than I was. He threw me around for the first 1:30 or so and built a small lead on points; he started to gas out, I started scoring, kept scoring, and eventually pinned him, ahead 10-5. He was undoubtedly bigger, stronger, and faster; I knew how to wrestle.

MMA and wrestling are not the same, but that stuck with me. Physicality can be a factor, but it’s not enough to overcome a vast difference in technical/fighting skill.

Confusion- We have sparred light a lot after that, but our training schedules never really lined up with similar goals again like they did that year where we trained for months on the same schedule. He competed a little the following year and after that life got in the way and he has become a very successful business owner. Although he says he likes to go to business meetings with a bruised up face occasionally.

LB- I have been following your and sentos advise in the other thread and focusing on evaluating everyone’s energy transfer on there power shots. I just wrapped up a 1hr session with one of the LEO I train. We worked on his right hook and UC in close from bag work to exploiting it in sparring. Trying to clean up his form and hips. It was a great session because of all the good stuff you and sento have layed down there in the other thread. It was a great reminder ( well done) of a lot of basics we take for granted.
I had never heard that about Nigel, that’s pretty neat that he could turn it on and off so hard. Most guys just don’t have that switch developed in there brains. I required a lot of hard sparring early on to develop that, my old coach said it took forever. If I cut somebody in the gym I would go and apologize . A couple of times the coach came up to me and said he would put a beating on me if I ever apologized for doing what I had come to the gym to do. He asked me what exactly was I doing in his gym, if it wasn’t to win he wanted to know right then and there. I could always go home and do Jane Fonda tapes in the VCR. ( dated myself there )
Good news I just set up some sparring sessions at a large club for the two 17yo’s I am training. They have been working hard since October and are ready for there first competitive sparring sessions. We will see how effective my coaching has been. We have three weeks to prepare. This time of the year is always electric in the gyms around here with all the prep for Golden Gloves starting.

[quote]Dude623 wrote:
Confusion- We have sparred light a lot after that, but our training schedules never really lined up with similar goals again like they did that year where we trained for months on the same schedule. He competed a little the following year and after that life got in the way and he has become a very successful business owner. Although he says he likes to go to business meetings with a bruised up face occasionally.

LB- I have been following your and sentos advise in the other thread and focusing on evaluating everyone’s energy transfer on there power shots. I just wrapped up a 1hr session with one of the LEO I train. We worked on his right hook and UC in close from bag work to exploiting it in sparring. Trying to clean up his form and hips. It was a great session because of all the good stuff you and sento have layed down there in the other thread. It was a great reminder ( well done) of a lot of basics we take for granted.
I had never heard that about Nigel, that’s pretty neat that he could turn it on and off so hard. Most guys just don’t have that switch developed in there brains. I required a lot of hard sparring early on to develop that, my old coach said it took forever. If I cut somebody in the gym I would go and apologize . A couple of times the coach came up to me and said he would put a beating on me if I ever apologized for doing what I had come to the gym to do. He asked me what exactly was I doing in his gym, if it wasn’t to win he wanted to know right then and there. I could always go home and do Jane Fonda tapes in the VCR. ( dated myself there )
Good news I just set up some sparring sessions at a large club for the two 17yo’s I am training. They have been working hard since October and are ready for there first competitive sparring sessions. We will see how effective my coaching has been. We have three weeks to prepare. This time of the year is always electric in the gyms around here with all the prep for Golden Gloves starting.[/quote]

Sounds awesome, and I’m humbled that anything I could offer was useful. I find it fascinating how different fighters can be when it comes to getting their minds right for fighting. For me, I’m similar to Benn (sadly the only time you’ll ever hear anyone say that about me - perhaps my favourite fighter of all time (sorry Bhop)), in that I have a switch when it is go time, and I’m a totally different person, always have been. I could never beat anyone up in sparring, could never bring myself to throw a punch with bad intent at someone I trained alongside, couldn’t even generate the power to throw damaging bodyshots. I remember in my early fights people would always expect me to lose because I was being polite and smiling and mild-mannered to everyone. But put me in the ring with a stranger and it was the most joyful experience to whip him from pillar to post. I still don’t really understand it, but I think how people prepare to fight is the most interesting part of the sport.

[quote]Dude623 wrote:
Confusion- We have sparred light a lot after that, but our training schedules never really lined up with similar goals again like they did that year where we trained for months on the same schedule. He competed a little the following year and after that life got in the way and he has become a very successful business owner. Although he says he likes to go to business meetings with a bruised up face occasionally.

LB- I have been following your and sentos advise in the other thread and focusing on evaluating everyone’s energy transfer on there power shots. I just wrapped up a 1hr session with one of the LEO I train. We worked on his right hook and UC in close from bag work to exploiting it in sparring. Trying to clean up his form and hips. It was a great session because of all the good stuff you and sento have layed down there in the other thread. It was a great reminder ( well done) of a lot of basics we take for granted.
I had never heard that about Nigel, that’s pretty neat that he could turn it on and off so hard. Most guys just don’t have that switch developed in there brains. I required a lot of hard sparring early on to develop that, my old coach said it took forever. If I cut somebody in the gym I would go and apologize . A couple of times the coach came up to me and said he would put a beating on me if I ever apologized for doing what I had come to the gym to do. He asked me what exactly was I doing in his gym, if it wasn’t to win he wanted to know right then and there. I could always go home and do Jane Fonda tapes in the VCR. ( dated myself there )
Good news I just set up some sparring sessions at a large club for the two 17yo’s I am training. They have been working hard since October and are ready for there first competitive sparring sessions. We will see how effective my coaching has been. We have three weeks to prepare. This time of the year is always electric in the gyms around here with all the prep for Golden Gloves starting.[/quote]

Best of luck to you and your guys; glad I could offer you useful information. :slight_smile:

Interesting topic about fight preparation. Being a more reality oriented system/school than a competition oriented, developing this “switch” that you guys speak of (we call if the “Ki [Killer Instinct] Switch”) is something that we address fairly often. In a real fight you aren’t going to have months, weeks, or even hours worth of time to psyche yourself up to fight someone; many times you need to be able to “flip the switch” at a moment’s notice. You also need to remain in control of your emotions though, lest you get drawn into a frivolous confrontation that could have dire or even tragic consequences; which is even more reason why developing the Ki Switch (and the Ki Intensity Dial) are such integral parts of RMA/Self Defense training.

I think what one learns from a hard sparring session is the ability to persevere through discomfort, and to not back down in the face of adversity; in other words that Indomitable Spirit that GM Lewis was always talking about. This can be developed and fostered by other means as well, many of which don’t carry with them the same negative long term affects, but IMO you have to do this type of training (or competing) at least occasionally.

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
I think a better example would be someone like Lesnar. While Brock had a solid wrestling pedigree upon entering the UFC, his striking and submission skill sets were quite remedial. Yet, with only 2 fights under his belt (1 a submission loss to a then much smaller Frank Mir), he was able to defeat then Champ Randy Couture. He then went on to manhandle Mir in their rematch. Both of those fights and even his fight with Herring were won primarily due to his superior strength and size, though unlike Mariusz Brock did have legitimate skill in at least one of the primary MMA skillsets (wrestling).[/quote]

The very first Lesnar-Mir fight really seems like a crucial example here that can be twisted to support both sides of this debate. Does anyone else remember Brock just tossing Mir around for the first few minutes…and then quickly getting submitted? His brute strength did give him a chance to just overwhelm Mir, and he nearly did, but Mir withstood the onslaught, found his opening, and caught Lesnar for the W.

I also recall, funny example though it might be, a wrestling match from when I was in ninth grade. I was matched against a much more muscular kid who was a little bit less experienced than I was. He threw me around for the first 1:30 or so and built a small lead on points; he started to gas out, I started scoring, kept scoring, and eventually pinned him, ahead 10-5. He was undoubtedly bigger, stronger, and faster; I knew how to wrestle.

MMA and wrestling are not the same, but that stuck with me. Physicality can be a factor, but it’s not enough to overcome a vast difference in technical/fighting skill.[/quote]

Yes, I remember that. Like you said, it showcased how a really big, strong, relatively unskilled fighter could give a much more skilled smaller fighter problems, but that ultimately the smaller fighter could prevail if the skill disparity was great enough (Lesnar had no clue in the World what to do once Frank got a hold of his leg). By their second fight Brock had improved in his submission defense enough to just be able to hold Mir down and pound on him till they stopped the fight. He was still far less skilled that Frank overall, but his superior physicality allowed him to prevail. And interestingly enough was such a wake up call to Mir of this reality that he hired Mark Phillippi to help him put on some serious size and strength so this wouldn’t happen to him again.

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
The very first Lesnar-Mir fight really seems like a crucial example here that can be twisted to support both sides of this debate. Does anyone else remember Brock just tossing Mir around for the first few minutes…and then quickly getting submitted? His brute strength did give him a chance to just overwhelm Mir, and he nearly did, but Mir withstood the onslaught, found his opening, and caught Lesnar for the W.

I also recall, funny example though it might be, a wrestling match from when I was in ninth grade. I was matched against a much more muscular kid who was a little bit less experienced than I was. He threw me around for the first 1:30 or so and built a small lead on points; he started to gas out, I started scoring, kept scoring, and eventually pinned him, ahead 10-5. He was undoubtedly bigger, stronger, and faster; I knew how to wrestle.

MMA and wrestling are not the same, but that stuck with me. Physicality can be a factor, but it’s not enough to overcome a vast difference in technical/fighting skill.[/quote]

Yes, I remember that. Like you said, it showcased how a really big, strong, relatively unskilled fighter could give a much more skilled smaller fighter problems, but that ultimately the smaller fighter could prevail if the skill disparity was great enough (Lesnar had no clue in the World what to do once Frank got a hold of his leg). By their second fight Brock had improved in his submission defense enough to just be able to hold Mir down and pound on him till they stopped the fight. He was still far less skilled that Frank overall, but his superior physicality allowed him to prevail. And interestingly enough was such a wake up call to Mir of this reality that he hired Mark Phillippi to help him put on some serious size and strength so this wouldn’t happen to him again.[/quote]

I was watching with a couple of my college football buddies. We all were, like, REAL excited for the fight because we didn’t really know what to expect, and the way Brock came out and brutalized him for a couple of minutes had us all jumping out of our seats in a combination of excitement and disbelief. It looked like a cartoon, the way Lesnar was throwing him around…and then suddenly, wham, it was over in the other direction.

As you said, he still wasn’t as skilled as Mir by the second fight, but the gap had closed just enough. Which, I guess, is the whole point of this discussion: we all can say that both strength and technical skill matter for a fighter, but how much of a strength disparity is required to overcome a technical disparity, and vice versa?

(Hint: we can’t boil that down to a single sentence)

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]Dude623 wrote:
Confusion- We have sparred light a lot after that, but our training schedules never really lined up with similar goals again like they did that year where we trained for months on the same schedule. He competed a little the following year and after that life got in the way and he has become a very successful business owner. Although he says he likes to go to business meetings with a bruised up face occasionally.

LB- I have been following your and sentos advise in the other thread and focusing on evaluating everyone’s energy transfer on there power shots. I just wrapped up a 1hr session with one of the LEO I train. We worked on his right hook and UC in close from bag work to exploiting it in sparring. Trying to clean up his form and hips. It was a great session because of all the good stuff you and sento have layed down there in the other thread. It was a great reminder ( well done) of a lot of basics we take for granted.
I had never heard that about Nigel, that’s pretty neat that he could turn it on and off so hard. Most guys just don’t have that switch developed in there brains. I required a lot of hard sparring early on to develop that, my old coach said it took forever. If I cut somebody in the gym I would go and apologize . A couple of times the coach came up to me and said he would put a beating on me if I ever apologized for doing what I had come to the gym to do. He asked me what exactly was I doing in his gym, if it wasn’t to win he wanted to know right then and there. I could always go home and do Jane Fonda tapes in the VCR. ( dated myself there )
Good news I just set up some sparring sessions at a large club for the two 17yo’s I am training. They have been working hard since October and are ready for there first competitive sparring sessions. We will see how effective my coaching has been. We have three weeks to prepare. This time of the year is always electric in the gyms around here with all the prep for Golden Gloves starting.[/quote]

Best of luck to you and your guys; glad I could offer you useful information. :slight_smile:

Interesting topic about fight preparation. Being a more reality oriented system/school than a competition oriented, developing this “switch” that you guys speak of (we call if the “Ki [Killer Instinct] Switch”) is something that we address fairly often. In a real fight you aren’t going to have months, weeks, or even hours worth of time to psyche yourself up to fight someone; many times you need to be able to “flip the switch” at a moment’s notice. You also need to remain in control of your emotions though, lest you get drawn into a frivolous confrontation that could have dire or even tragic consequences; which is even more reason why developing the Ki Switch (and the Ki Intensity Dial) are such integral parts of RMA/Self Defense training.

I think what one learns from a hard sparring session is the ability to persevere through discomfort, and to not back down in the face of adversity; in other words that Indomitable Spirit that GM Lewis was always talking about. This can be developed and fostered by other means as well, many of which don’t carry with them the same negative long term affects, but IMO you have to do this type of training (or competing) at least occasionally.[/quote]

When you say it can be developed by other means, would you be willing to give examples/drills that you think help? Particularly anything you think one can do alone to increase resiliency and hone the killer instinct.

I am just guessing here,but I believe the inabilty of sheer force to overcome technique becomes more of a factor in the higher levels of competition. Lets remember that I believe strength speed and technique are not mutually exclusive. We can and should try to have it all,to the best of our ability. A master of technique is a very different level of skill than most of us will ever attain. This is how some fighters are able to handle much stronger opponents. I think in a more average situation,ths shift would be toward the more powerful individual. Again,I am not saying powerful only, but having some skill also

[quote]confusion wrote:
I am just guessing here,but I believe the inabilty of sheer force to overcome technique becomes more of a factor in the higher levels of competition. Lets remember that I believe strength speed and technique are not mutually exclusive. We can and should try to have it all,to the best of our ability. A master of technique is a very different level of skill than most of us will ever attain. This is how some fighters are able to handle much stronger opponents. I think in a more average situation,ths shift would be toward the more powerful individual. Again,I am not saying powerful only, but having some skill also[/quote]

I think this is fair. Raw attributes (size, speed, strength, aggression etc) can often allow a relative beginner to overwhelm an intermediate fighter but are less likely to allow an intermediate fighter to get by an expert.

One area where I really noticed this was foil fencing. When I started out I was reasonably fast, accurate, athletic, aggressive, had a big reach and a quick lunge, but no real skill at all. I beat a number of club fencers who had 2-3 years experience on me. I started to think I was kind of a big deal. Then I fenced a 16 year old girl who was on the national team. She absolutely wiped the floor with me. It was awesome.

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Like you said, it showcased how a really big, strong, relatively unskilled fighter could give a much more skilled smaller fighter problems, but that ultimately the smaller fighter could prevail if the skill disparity was great enough (Lesnar had no clue in the World what to do once Frank got a hold of his leg).[/quote]

This last point is very crucial. No one wins in their first attack. All fighting sports follow sequences and combinations. Part of technical ability in these attacks is in the followup, finishing one attack in a good position that another attack can be setup and one is still well defended. In a match both fighters will follow a sequence of offensive (strikes, grabs, fakes) and defensive maneuvers (blocks, dodges, counters, escapes, grip breaks).

The favorability of the position for each fighter may continuously change. But the more skilled/experienced fighter will be comfortable with more options at each step in the sequence, will be less hesitant at each opportunity, and will less likely find themselves in that position in which they “have no clue in the world what to do” which is key because the fight is usually lost here regardless of physical attributes. Physical attributes can keep you out of the position to some degree but once it goes there its over

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]Dude623 wrote:
Confusion- We have sparred light a lot after that, but our training schedules never really lined up with similar goals again like they did that year where we trained for months on the same schedule. He competed a little the following year and after that life got in the way and he has become a very successful business owner. Although he says he likes to go to business meetings with a bruised up face occasionally.

LB- I have been following your and sentos advise in the other thread and focusing on evaluating everyone’s energy transfer on there power shots. I just wrapped up a 1hr session with one of the LEO I train. We worked on his right hook and UC in close from bag work to exploiting it in sparring. Trying to clean up his form and hips. It was a great session because of all the good stuff you and sento have layed down there in the other thread. It was a great reminder ( well done) of a lot of basics we take for granted.
I had never heard that about Nigel, that’s pretty neat that he could turn it on and off so hard. Most guys just don’t have that switch developed in there brains. I required a lot of hard sparring early on to develop that, my old coach said it took forever. If I cut somebody in the gym I would go and apologize . A couple of times the coach came up to me and said he would put a beating on me if I ever apologized for doing what I had come to the gym to do. He asked me what exactly was I doing in his gym, if it wasn’t to win he wanted to know right then and there. I could always go home and do Jane Fonda tapes in the VCR. ( dated myself there )
Good news I just set up some sparring sessions at a large club for the two 17yo’s I am training. They have been working hard since October and are ready for there first competitive sparring sessions. We will see how effective my coaching has been. We have three weeks to prepare. This time of the year is always electric in the gyms around here with all the prep for Golden Gloves starting.[/quote]

Best of luck to you and your guys; glad I could offer you useful information. :slight_smile:

Interesting topic about fight preparation. Being a more reality oriented system/school than a competition oriented, developing this “switch” that you guys speak of (we call if the “Ki [Killer Instinct] Switch”) is something that we address fairly often. In a real fight you aren’t going to have months, weeks, or even hours worth of time to psyche yourself up to fight someone; many times you need to be able to “flip the switch” at a moment’s notice. You also need to remain in control of your emotions though, lest you get drawn into a frivolous confrontation that could have dire or even tragic consequences; which is even more reason why developing the Ki Switch (and the Ki Intensity Dial) are such integral parts of RMA/Self Defense training.

I think what one learns from a hard sparring session is the ability to persevere through discomfort, and to not back down in the face of adversity; in other words that Indomitable Spirit that GM Lewis was always talking about. This can be developed and fostered by other means as well, many of which don’t carry with them the same negative long term affects, but IMO you have to do this type of training (or competing) at least occasionally.[/quote]

When you say it can be developed by other means, would you be willing to give examples/drills that you think help? Particularly anything you think one can do alone to increase resiliency and hone the killer instinct. [/quote]

Solo drills to develop killer instinct are going to rely heavily on visualization, part of developing the Ki Switch is in tapping into that deep primal survival instinct or drive to protect those dear to you. So things like just visualizing horrific situations involving life or death or even just necessity/honor can help you to feel that Ki Switch.

Tony Blauer has said that he sometimes will get a lot of resistance from participants at Women’s Self Defense seminars when trying to get them to fight back fully or to execute certain tactics. This makes sense to a degree as violence is far less socially acceptable for women in our society, but still problematic from a standpoint of getting them to fight for their lives. So, Tony will paint a mental picture of the women coming home to find some strange man about to rape their child, suddenly every women in that class is prepared to crawl on hands and knees across broken glass and then eat the would be attacker’s face like an apple once they get to them to defend their child and a room full of mild mannered soccer moms suddenly becomes a room full of ruthless killers. That is flipping the Ki Switch.

A less extreme example from the world of boxing would be Marvin Hagler. Marvelous has stated that one of the primary reasons he remain undefeated for so long was that he would visualize that his opponent was trying to take his childrens’ food of of their plate (depriving them of food) right before and during the fight. That visualization helped him to flip the Ki Switch and helped him become one of the greatest Middleweight Boxers in recorded history.

So again, using a similar visualization (defending loved one’s life, imagining the terrible pain and sadness that your loved ones would feel if they lost you, etc…) will allow you to discover and feel what flipping the Ki Switch feels like, then the trick is to gain control of that switch so you can flip it any time you want. From there you can also develop the Ki Intensity Dial (or dimmer switch if you prefer) so you can control your ability to adjust the level of ferocity/killer instinct that you apply to any given situation. These things definitely require practice though if you want to be able to utilize and control them, especially under stress/pressure.

^^ Thanks for the response Sento. Much as I suspected - I actually think this is part of the reason I’ve been able to hit the switch in competition, I’ve always worked the bags and shadow boxed as if I were in against someone who was trying to humiliate/kill me.

Sorry for my absence in this thread - I’ve been on holiday for the last couple of weeks.

Thank you very much for all of the input everyone, really interesting discussion. That killer instinct stuff is really interesting sento, I’d love to hear more about that.

Just to clarify from my OP - I do not doubt in any way that strength IS important - I am simply questioning to what extent. My question was how important is strength? Not is strength important? Following MMA has shown me countless times that a large strength difference can most definitely be overcome (too many examples to list, but Gustafsson/Manuwa, Jon Jones/Ryan Bader, Velasquez/Lesnar, Kimbo Slice/Petruzelli, any time Hector Lombard has lost, any time Cole Miller has won lol). I believe there is probably a threshold area of strength, beyond which the benefits of strength begin to diminish, and it seems a lot of you guys agree. Unfortunately it is clearly very difficult to quantify this strength threshold, taking into account individual differences, but that is the topic I wanted to explore.