How Do You Know Your Natural Genetic Limit? Considering First Cycle

I see, but how does your body put on weight? Like what’s your metabolism like?

If you’re not gaining weight you’re not in a caloric surplus; this is simple math. If you don’t know how many calories you’re eating (don’t track your macros) how do you know which direction to adjust your nutrition to achieve your goals? You don’t. If you’re not closely monitoring your diet then you’re not doing everything to reach your genetic limit. Training is the easy part, it’s only a few hours a week; nutrition is 24/7/365.

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Okay so from what I remember my height and weight the maintenance calories we’re around 2300 and I shoot for 3k I just don’t keep strict track of them but that can change. What would any of you recommend for carb and fat intake since protein should be 1 to 2 grams per lb of bodyweight

This is an important point. I’m not a lazy man, but I’m also not weighing everything on a scale every morning, and yet I still track my macros every day. It’s second nature at this point. @aj2957 if you’re serious about this then you need to know what’s going on every day. Even if you’re not going to cycle for a while you should still have that data point. Genetics, hard-gainer, all of it is just noise without any signal. The signal is your diet and specifically your macros. That’s the most important piece of the puzzle if you’re trying to gain or lose. Period. You can train harder than anyone else, but if you’re not eating for your goal you’ll never get there. And right now you have a vague sense that you’re eating enough and yet the scale isn’t lying. It’s telling you that you’re not eating enough. Or at least not enough of what you need to gain muscle. Track your macros for the next month. Be insanely detailed about it. Be borderline obsessive about it. Then look back and see if your perception matches reality. I bet it won’t. I also bet that once you have that data you’ll be able to make the necessary changes and you’ll end up a lot happier with the outcome.

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I have noticed people who say they eat as much as possible but don’t gain weight because of a fast metabolism, usually only perceive themselves as eating a lot. Differences in metabolism are not as vast as many believe. Thermodynamics still applies.

As far as training for aesthetics over strength, consider how many weak people you see with phenomenal physiques.

The best bodybuilders were all very strong. Arnold, Franco, Dorian, Ronnie are all good examples.

You may break through some plateaus by focusing some time on a strength block.

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If you’re eating 3,000 calories and you’re not gaining or losing weight: that’s your maintenance calorie level. Your maintenance calories aren’t what some online calculator estimates based upon a few numbers you input into boxes, it’s how many calories you actually burn which varies based upon not just your height and weight, but also your activity level and other factors. Like iron_yuppie said: track everything to the most minute detail (there are apps to make it easier) for a month and see where you are and then adjust accordingly for the results you want.

For myself I get the most success when I track calories/macros, weight daily (with BF% scale), measurements weekly, and training progress all the time. Literally every metric is recorded and trends are analyzed over time.

I can’t tell you what macros you should shoot for; I’m mot a nutritionist, I only know what works for me.

This 1000 times.

“I aim for 3000” “I’m not gaining weight”.

We’ll then one of two things is true. Either you are aiming for and missing 3000, or 3000 is not enough. You can fix this is one of two ways.

1.Start tracking what you eat. Find out how many calories it really is, then eat more while continuing to track

  1. start eating a lot more. No need for tracking, just eat so much that it can’t NOT be more calories than before.
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I would say in your case that it would be fine to hop on gear. Just make sure that you check to see if you have any health problems and get blood work done. Do your research and stay safe.

These numbers aren’t close to your genetic limit in my opinion. I think that your body fat % it the determining factor in getting stronger.

LOL this funny as hell.

315x3 max at 6’ 175 on SARMS and you think you think you’re close to your genetic peak? Man you got low standards.

This whole thread will be an echo chamber of people telling you that you’re not eating enough, and on that note, probably not training intelligently enough. Maybe deprioritize being “Mini Calum Von Monger”, and track calories/squat more. The scale will move up when you stop being impressed at your “vascularity”

Also, don’t count anything you did in high school. If you’re barely squatting 315 and barely benching 225, nothing you did in high school counts.

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I think he means the current Calumn Von Moger, and being a mini version of him means the OP must be barely above average.Image result for calum von moger after surgery

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Don’t bully the man he just got his novice gains.

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Exactly why I thought this thread was trolly on his part. To talk about genetic limits, when still under the age 25 and with those numbers while having to mention that someone referred to you as a mini-monger. But I just couldnt word it without sounding like an asshole. Trying to be nicer in the new year. Thank you for taking that off my shoulders.

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Dude, aren’t you like 16? Do you feel it’s ethical to advise people on interfering with their endocrine system?

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you’re completely right that I don’t know shit. I’m just giving my opinion and it is up to him to decide on what he is going to do.

Yeah dude, if he hops on gear because a 16 year old told him to, that’s completely on him.

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Yeah, I doubt he’s anywhere close at 6’1 175. Dude I’m 5’8 190 and I feel skinny - how do you even consider pro bodybuilding and going on cycle without getting the basics down?

My question was if you feel this is ethical to do.

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Pic?

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Ethical? According to whose standards? Are you riding one of those moral/philosophical ponies again? What could be ethical or unethical to you could be totally different to me.

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