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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

My shitsmear drafter has been at the company for 7 yrs (WAYYYYYY MORE EXPERIENCE THAN I HAVE!!!) and touts his experience left and right and even goes so far as to tell me that I don’t know what I am talking about (engineers are dumb).
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This says far more about you than you know. Odds are, your draftsman is right.
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For realz.

I was a captain on my base. I realized very quickly that even though I outranked many of the people working around me, there was a shit load of “etiquette” and experience to be learned from some of those sergeants who had been in the military for a decade longer than I had.

The idiot would be the guy thinking that rank took the place of experience.[/quote]

This, for sure.

My foreman has been with my company since the mid 80s. I was born in 83. I’m his boss, and I’ve been in my position for about 5 years. I can’t imagine talking about him the way this guy’s talking about his drafter. My foreman does his job a hell of a lot better than I could. I’ve been learning from him since my first day. When he’s told me I’m doing something wrong, I listen.[/quote]

clearly you are just a turd and thats why you do what you do, so even after 5 yrs people below you can look over you…I guess that puts you in the ground or something LOLOLOL

So you guys only listen to people below you and never listen to your superiors?? Yea that makes sense…derp

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Ask every single person you’ve ever met if their place of work is hiring anyone or any place they have a contact in. In my experience you can apply to random jobs online till you’re blue in the face, but the only way you’re ever gonna actually get a job is through networking.[/quote]

It’s not what you know, it’s who you know. Networking is huge![/quote]

This is not always true.

I applied to 10 jobs off of websites like careerbuilder and monster. Got 2 interviews and 2 job offers and I knew no one associated with either company.

Everyone that we hire is a random person, no networking involved.

I heard this BS advice towards the end of college. I never went to a single job fair, I never had a single internship. I had absolutely no networking done, but somehow, I found a job.

My dad has worked at his company for 35 yrs, he asked around and they had no positions available for someone with 0 experience, and that didn’t change cause I “knew somebody”.

95% of the time, random people applying for random jobs. Get hired…randomly. No networking needed.[/quote]

Question.

Have you started one of these jobs you were hired at? [/quote]

Answer

Yes. Been at my job for 8mo
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I am sure you have caught up on this thread by now.

Glad you are employed.

Carry on[/quote]

Nope, what did I miss???

Something tells me that you were hoping my answer to your question was going to be “no” and that the only Interviews I had were at BS headhunting agencies leavi me with no job, hmmm?

I highly doubt you asked such a simple question just to get me to read this entire thread

carry on, eh?[/quote]
Honestly kind of saddens me that you did not take the time to read it, I mean it would take a couple minutes really.

You never know you may actually learn something from people older and more experienced than you. But again, good luck at your job.[/quote]

What do you Call A retard with experience? …a retard. I’ve had enough garbage advice from people with “experience” to realize that experience doesn’t mean everything. A lot of idiots out there pull the experience card cause they don’t have anything else to point to for credentials

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So you have nobody in your field that is more experienced or advanced than you?

I have 20 years of medical experience and a masters degree. The same person just coming out of school has a masters degree also but 0 years of medical experience.

But we are equal? [/quote]

The owner of my company (44 yrs experience)
The vp of engineering (35 yrs experience)
My boss (20 yrs) experience.

They are all engineers and I keep my mouth shut and ears open when I am around them…but oddly enough, not a single one of them EVER cites how much experience they have (they are all engineers, this is a large reason I respect them and listen to them)

My shitsmear drafter has been at the company for 7 yrs (WAYYYYYY MORE EXPERIENCE THAN I HAVE!!!) and touts his experience left and right and even goes so far as to tell me that I don’t know what I am talking about (engineers are dumb). He starts lunch 5 min early, and leaves everyday 5 min early.

The more I hear someone make the experience argument the less likely I am to listen to them, again cause they are falling back on it cause it’s all they have

BEEN DOIN IT WRONG FOR SEVEN YEARS LONG!!!
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So there are people you do respect that is promising. [/quote]

Yes but this is attributed to more than their experience alone…and even more than their title, position and education

…It has to do more with who THEY, that one person is[/quote]
I get it, for you respect has to be earned, my only question is with this, How do you treat someone in a superior position that has yet to earn that respect? [/quote]

Well if its my job to play a certain role and exist in a certain spot, I will.

I figure I entered my workplace giving everyone their due respect based on position, adn then their experience (always asking them how long theyve been there to get an idea). I would let that ride until they gave me a reason to increase or decrease respect(regardless of position/experience).

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Ask every single person you’ve ever met if their place of work is hiring anyone or any place they have a contact in. In my experience you can apply to random jobs online till you’re blue in the face, but the only way you’re ever gonna actually get a job is through networking.[/quote]

It’s not what you know, it’s who you know. Networking is huge![/quote]

This is not always true.

I applied to 10 jobs off of websites like careerbuilder and monster. Got 2 interviews and 2 job offers and I knew no one associated with either company.

Everyone that we hire is a random person, no networking involved.

I heard this BS advice towards the end of college. I never went to a single job fair, I never had a single internship. I had absolutely no networking done, but somehow, I found a job.

My dad has worked at his company for 35 yrs, he asked around and they had no positions available for someone with 0 experience, and that didn’t change cause I “knew somebody”.

95% of the time, random people applying for random jobs. Get hired…randomly. No networking needed.[/quote]

Question.

Have you started one of these jobs you were hired at? [/quote]

Answer

Yes. Been at my job for 8mo
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I am sure you have caught up on this thread by now.

Glad you are employed.

Carry on[/quote]

Nope, what did I miss???

Something tells me that you were hoping my answer to your question was going to be “no” and that the only Interviews I had were at BS headhunting agencies leavi me with no job, hmmm?

I highly doubt you asked such a simple question just to get me to read this entire thread

carry on, eh?[/quote]
Honestly kind of saddens me that you did not take the time to read it, I mean it would take a couple minutes really.

You never know you may actually learn something from people older and more experienced than you. But again, good luck at your job.[/quote]

What do you Call A retard with experience? …a retard. I’ve had enough garbage advice from people with “experience” to realize that experience doesn’t mean everything. A lot of idiots out there pull the experience card cause they don’t have anything else to point to for credentials

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So you have nobody in your field that is more experienced or advanced than you?

I have 20 years of medical experience and a masters degree. The same person just coming out of school has a masters degree also but 0 years of medical experience.

But we are equal? [/quote]

The owner of my company (44 yrs experience)
The vp of engineering (35 yrs experience)
My boss (20 yrs) experience.

They are all engineers and I keep my mouth shut and ears open when I am around them…but oddly enough, not a single one of them EVER cites how much experience they have (they are all engineers, this is a large reason I respect them and listen to them)

My shitsmear drafter has been at the company for 7 yrs (WAYYYYYY MORE EXPERIENCE THAN I HAVE!!!) and touts his experience left and right and even goes so far as to tell me that I don’t know what I am talking about (engineers are dumb). He starts lunch 5 min early, and leaves everyday 5 min early.

The more I hear someone make the experience argument the less likely I am to listen to them, again cause they are falling back on it cause it’s all they have

BEEN DOIN IT WRONG FOR SEVEN YEARS LONG!!!
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So there are people you do respect that is promising. [/quote]

Yes but this is attributed to more than their experience alone…and even more than their title, position and education

…It has to do more with who THEY, that one person is[/quote]
I get it, for you respect has to be earned, my only question is with this, How do you treat someone in a superior position that has yet to earn that respect? [/quote]

Well if its my job to play a certain role and exist in a certain spot, I will.

I figure I entered my workplace giving everyone their due respect based on position, adn then their experience (always asking them how long theyve been there to get an idea). I would let that ride until they gave me a reason to increase or decrease respect(regardless of position/experience).
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That’s normal. I do the same. You would be surprised how many Drs I lost a ton of respect for after working with them.

Do you plan to move up in the company or use this as experience for another company?

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Ask every single person you’ve ever met if their place of work is hiring anyone or any place they have a contact in. In my experience you can apply to random jobs online till you’re blue in the face, but the only way you’re ever gonna actually get a job is through networking.[/quote]

It’s not what you know, it’s who you know. Networking is huge![/quote]

This is not always true.

I applied to 10 jobs off of websites like careerbuilder and monster. Got 2 interviews and 2 job offers and I knew no one associated with either company.

Everyone that we hire is a random person, no networking involved.

I heard this BS advice towards the end of college. I never went to a single job fair, I never had a single internship. I had absolutely no networking done, but somehow, I found a job.

My dad has worked at his company for 35 yrs, he asked around and they had no positions available for someone with 0 experience, and that didn’t change cause I “knew somebody”.

95% of the time, random people applying for random jobs. Get hired…randomly. No networking needed.[/quote]

Question.

Have you started one of these jobs you were hired at? [/quote]

Answer

Yes. Been at my job for 8mo
[/quote]
I am sure you have caught up on this thread by now.

Glad you are employed.

Carry on[/quote]

Nope, what did I miss???

Something tells me that you were hoping my answer to your question was going to be “no” and that the only Interviews I had were at BS headhunting agencies leavi me with no job, hmmm?

I highly doubt you asked such a simple question just to get me to read this entire thread

carry on, eh?[/quote]
Honestly kind of saddens me that you did not take the time to read it, I mean it would take a couple minutes really.

You never know you may actually learn something from people older and more experienced than you. But again, good luck at your job.[/quote]

What do you Call A retard with experience? …a retard. I’ve had enough garbage advice from people with “experience” to realize that experience doesn’t mean everything. A lot of idiots out there pull the experience card cause they don’t have anything else to point to for credentials

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So you have nobody in your field that is more experienced or advanced than you?

I have 20 years of medical experience and a masters degree. The same person just coming out of school has a masters degree also but 0 years of medical experience.

But we are equal? [/quote]

The owner of my company (44 yrs experience)
The vp of engineering (35 yrs experience)
My boss (20 yrs) experience.

They are all engineers and I keep my mouth shut and ears open when I am around them…but oddly enough, not a single one of them EVER cites how much experience they have (they are all engineers, this is a large reason I respect them and listen to them)

My shitsmear drafter has been at the company for 7 yrs (WAYYYYYY MORE EXPERIENCE THAN I HAVE!!!) and touts his experience left and right and even goes so far as to tell me that I don’t know what I am talking about (engineers are dumb). He starts lunch 5 min early, and leaves everyday 5 min early.

The more I hear someone make the experience argument the less likely I am to listen to them, again cause they are falling back on it cause it’s all they have

BEEN DOIN IT WRONG FOR SEVEN YEARS LONG!!!
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So there are people you do respect that is promising. [/quote]

Yes but this is attributed to more than their experience alone…and even more than their title, position and education

…It has to do more with who THEY, that one person is[/quote]
I get it, for you respect has to be earned, my only question is with this, How do you treat someone in a superior position that has yet to earn that respect? [/quote]

Well if its my job to play a certain role and exist in a certain spot, I will.

I figure I entered my workplace giving everyone their due respect based on position, adn then their experience (always asking them how long theyve been there to get an idea). I would let that ride until they gave me a reason to increase or decrease respect(regardless of position/experience).
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That’s normal. I do the same. You would be surprised how many Drs I lost a ton of respect for after working with them.

Do you plan to move up in the company or use this as experience for another company?[/quote]

There’s nowhere to go up in the company. After I stop learning at a decent rate, ill leave, maybe in 2 yrs or so. For now it’s the perfect job for me

I want to work in something higher tech.

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Good luck. I deal a lot with engineers, NASA, Air Force base’s and some of our clients are engineering companies. Lot of work out there.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Carbiduis, I think everyone reading this thread knows who the clown is. I’m sure ‘project manager’ is an awesome job though.

As to the OP… am I the only one who noticed he’s 20 years old and a level 5 purchaser? I’ve spent waaaay too much money on here, over the course of 10 years, and I’m only halfway to being a level 5. Something tells me he’s gotten plenty of past support from his parents. I feel like abject poverty is not in this kid’s present or future.[/quote]

I have a feeling I know what “project manager” really is when referring to Carbiduis. He has some sort of engineering degree from what I’ve gathered.

My father is the senior project manager and lead inspector at a major university in California. He is oversees eight- or nine-figure jobs, such as building new dorms, laboratories, classrooms, libraries, gyms, etc, etc. He routinely hires people right out of college with an engineering degree of some sort for the position of project manager.

Basically, it’s an over-glorified inspection job, where you walk around with a hardhat on and make sure that the contractors and their employees are following proper safety procedures and doing their work in accordance with the Uniform Building Code. It’s a fancy name attached to what is essentially a babysitting job for people who resent your very presence on the job site. Whenever anything goes wrong, they can’t even do shit. They just call my dad up and he comes down to the job site and kicks some ass while the “project manager” stands behind him with a shit-eating grin on their face.

This might not be what Carbiduis does, but I’ve learned enough over the years to ascertain that Carbiduis has a VERY inflated sense of self-worth, which fits the bill perfectly with the sort of project manager I’m thinking of. Maybe he works in an entirely different field than what I have described, but I’m sure that whatever area he works in, he’s vastly overstating his importance to the company and most of his co-workers would probably laugh at his worthless, misguided attempts at making himself look important.

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At my work we call everyone and their dog a project manager since any group of tasks can be bundled together and called a ‘project’ (this is a point of contention for some)but then there are the real PMs who actually do run large scale projects and don’t get there without years of experience and OUTSTANDING networking skills. Not even because they needed the networking and the skills to get the job but they need it to DO the job. No one will bust their ass for a project manager that is an intolerable douche and doesn’t think he needs anyone!

I can’t actually think of many jobs that require more networking than project management, heh.

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Carbiduis, I think everyone reading this thread knows who the clown is. I’m sure ‘project manager’ is an awesome job though.

As to the OP… am I the only one who noticed he’s 20 years old and a level 5 purchaser? I’ve spent waaaay too much money on here, over the course of 10 years, and I’m only halfway to being a level 5. Something tells me he’s gotten plenty of past support from his parents. I feel like abject poverty is not in this kid’s present or future.[/quote]

I have a feeling I know what “project manager” really is when referring to Carbiduis. He has some sort of engineering degree from what I’ve gathered.

My father is the senior project manager and lead inspector at a major university in California. He is oversees eight- or nine-figure jobs, such as building new dorms, laboratories, classrooms, libraries, gyms, etc, etc. He routinely hires people right out of college with an engineering degree of some sort for the position of project manager.

Basically, it’s an over-glorified inspection job, where you walk around with a hardhat on and make sure that the contractors and their employees are following proper safety procedures and doing their work in accordance with the Uniform Building Code. It’s a fancy name attached to what is essentially a babysitting job for people who resent your very presence on the job site. Whenever anything goes wrong, they can’t even do shit. They just call my dad up and he comes down to the job site and kicks some ass while the “project manager” stands behind him with a shit-eating grin on their face.

This might not be what Carbiduis does, but I’ve learned enough over the years to ascertain that Carbiduis has a VERY inflated sense of self-worth, which fits the bill perfectly with the sort of project manager I’m thinking of. Maybe he works in an entirely different field than what I have described, but I’m sure that whatever area he works in, he’s vastly overstating his importance to the company and most of his co-workers would probably laugh at his worthless, misguided attempts at making himself look important.

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At my work we call everyone and their dog a project manager since any group of tasks can be bundled together and called a ‘project’ (this is a point of contention for some)but then there are the real PMs who actually do run large scale projects and don’t get there without years of experience and OUTSTANDING networking skills. Not even because they needed the networking and the skills to get the job but they need it to DO the job. No one will bust their ass for a project manager that is an intolerable douche and doesn’t think he needs anyone!

I can’t actually think of many jobs that require more networking than project management, heh.
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Tell me about it! I used to be a licensed subcontractor (C-20; HVAC) and networking is always a huge part of that industry in particular. Shit, it really comes down to who you know more than what you know. Like I said, my father is the one who is in charge of all the hiring and he has a couple friends who are about 30 and were looking for work in that general area, so he had them turn in applications for two openings right above the position I described earlier.

The university received about 1500 applications for the two positions and my dad knew right away that he was going to hire his two friends. He sat through about 200 interviews, knowing full well that all these people sitting in front of him, most of whom were more qualified and educated than my dad’s friends, weren’t getting hired no matter how well their interview went. These guys got hired strictly because of who they knew. It’s the same everywhere. All the campus security guards are retired cops who are all former coworkers or friends of the head of the campus police department and are hired strictly because they know the guy.

And in this area of business, your ability to interact well with others and show some fucking tact once in a while is HUGE. Carbiduis is obviously lacking in that department, so his ceiling is probably pretty low where he works. No one likes assholes who smell like shit, so the people in charge of hiring are going to keep those as far from them as possible, which usually means not promoting them.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Carbiduis, I think everyone reading this thread knows who the clown is. I’m sure ‘project manager’ is an awesome job though.

As to the OP… am I the only one who noticed he’s 20 years old and a level 5 purchaser? I’ve spent waaaay too much money on here, over the course of 10 years, and I’m only halfway to being a level 5. Something tells me he’s gotten plenty of past support from his parents. I feel like abject poverty is not in this kid’s present or future.[/quote]

I have a feeling I know what “project manager” really is when referring to Carbiduis. He has some sort of engineering degree from what I’ve gathered.

My father is the senior project manager and lead inspector at a major university in California. He is oversees eight- or nine-figure jobs, such as building new dorms, laboratories, classrooms, libraries, gyms, etc, etc. He routinely hires people right out of college with an engineering degree of some sort for the position of project manager.

Basically, it’s an over-glorified inspection job, where you walk around with a hardhat on and make sure that the contractors and their employees are following proper safety procedures and doing their work in accordance with the Uniform Building Code. It’s a fancy name attached to what is essentially a babysitting job for people who resent your very presence on the job site. Whenever anything goes wrong, they can’t even do shit. They just call my dad up and he comes down to the job site and kicks some ass while the “project manager” stands behind him with a shit-eating grin on their face.

This might not be what Carbiduis does, but I’ve learned enough over the years to ascertain that Carbiduis has a VERY inflated sense of self-worth, which fits the bill perfectly with the sort of project manager I’m thinking of. Maybe he works in an entirely different field than what I have described, but I’m sure that whatever area he works in, he’s vastly overstating his importance to the company and most of his co-workers would probably laugh at his worthless, misguided attempts at making himself look important.

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HEY EVERYONE THE BABYSITTER IS HERE !!!

B.S. in Mechanical Engineering, but we’ll give it to ya!

Your attempt to describe my job is laughable, but OF COURSE it over glorified numbnuts. Shit, few people in this wolrd (and none in this forum) are truely as important as they think they are.

So by your elaborate description of daddy coming down to clean up, you are there every single time that happens huh? And they all do it? Everyones the same?..huh?

Theres only one babysitter here and it isnt me.

I acutally deal with…well…other project managers that happen to be engineers themselves.

Aaaannd…you goddam right I have a fucking high opinion of myself, chump. And for no other reason that I have PROVEN to myself who I am only after many years of doubt, following advice of my peers, people like you, and some with more experience…problem was, they never had experience with ME

how are the kids, the coke, and the ole hag??[/quote]

Something tells me that of all the people at your company who you aspire to be like, or whose position you hope to someday hold or whatever, none of them have ever spent their free time ranting and raving about how cool they are and how well they know themselves on a website and so on and so forth while literally EVERYONE around them is telling them in their own way what petulant, obstinant jerks they are.

I’m sure you’re not as ignorant, obnoxious, immature, full of false bravado and downright choleric as you continually appear to be on this site, but maybe when most of your extended interactions with people on here end up with people essentially telling you that you are all of these things and more, it’s time to look in the mirror a little longer and a little harder and think a little more deeply about whose advice you should REALLY follow.

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Listen to that. Otherwise idk

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:
If were talking about proving oneself in the field, getting their name out there, and then connecting with other people in the same or similar field to further ones career than…yea, no shit.[/quote]

LOL, all this because you didn’t understand that we were, in fact, talking about networking?

Jesus Christ, for someone with such a high opinion of himself, you aren’t too bright.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

My shitsmear drafter has been at the company for 7 yrs (WAYYYYYY MORE EXPERIENCE THAN I HAVE!!!) and touts his experience left and right and even goes so far as to tell me that I don’t know what I am talking about (engineers are dumb).
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This says far more about you than you know. Odds are, your draftsman is right.
[/quote]

For realz.

I was a captain on my base. I realized very quickly that even though I outranked many of the people working around me, there was a shit load of “etiquette” and experience to be learned from some of those sergeants who had been in the military for a decade longer than I had.

The idiot would be the guy thinking that rank took the place of experience.[/quote]

This, for sure.

My foreman has been with my company since the mid 80s. I was born in 83. I’m his boss, and I’ve been in my position for about 5 years. I can’t imagine talking about him the way this guy’s talking about his drafter. My foreman does his job a hell of a lot better than I could. I’ve been learning from him since my first day. When he’s told me I’m doing something wrong, I listen.[/quote]

clearly you are just a turd and thats why you do what you do, so even after 5 yrs people below you can look over you…I guess that puts you in the ground or something LOLOLOL

So you guys only listen to people below you and never listen to your superiors?? Yea that makes sense…derp

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Show me where in my post I said I DON’T listen to superiors? In my case, though, I have only one superior, as my title is VP. My company has been around for 35 years, and my foreman has been around for most of that time. Yes, after 5 years as VP, I can still learn from a man who has been at my company since a few years after its inception. A touch of humility allows me to do this, and I’m better for it. If I didn’t respond to feedback from my employees, where would I be? But you clearly don’t see it this way. According to you, this makes me a turd.

Enjoy mediocrity. I’m sure it’s lovely.

Side note: I still want to know how/why a 20 year old is a level 5!

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Carbiduis, I think everyone reading this thread knows who the clown is. I’m sure ‘project manager’ is an awesome job though.

As to the OP… am I the only one who noticed he’s 20 years old and a level 5 purchaser? I’ve spent waaaay too much money on here, over the course of 10 years, and I’m only halfway to being a level 5. Something tells me he’s gotten plenty of past support from his parents. I feel like abject poverty is not in this kid’s present or future.[/quote]

I have a feeling I know what “project manager” really is when referring to Carbiduis. He has some sort of engineering degree from what I’ve gathered.

My father is the senior project manager and lead inspector at a major university in California. He is oversees eight- or nine-figure jobs, such as building new dorms, laboratories, classrooms, libraries, gyms, etc, etc. He routinely hires people right out of college with an engineering degree of some sort for the position of project manager.

Basically, it’s an over-glorified inspection job, where you walk around with a hardhat on and make sure that the contractors and their employees are following proper safety procedures and doing their work in accordance with the Uniform Building Code. It’s a fancy name attached to what is essentially a babysitting job for people who resent your very presence on the job site. Whenever anything goes wrong, they can’t even do shit. They just call my dad up and he comes down to the job site and kicks some ass while the “project manager” stands behind him with a shit-eating grin on their face.

This might not be what Carbiduis does, but I’ve learned enough over the years to ascertain that Carbiduis has a VERY inflated sense of self-worth, which fits the bill perfectly with the sort of project manager I’m thinking of. Maybe he works in an entirely different field than what I have described, but I’m sure that whatever area he works in, he’s vastly overstating his importance to the company and most of his co-workers would probably laugh at his worthless, misguided attempts at making himself look important.

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At my work we call everyone and their dog a project manager since any group of tasks can be bundled together and called a ‘project’ (this is a point of contention for some)but then there are the real PMs who actually do run large scale projects and don’t get there without years of experience and OUTSTANDING networking skills. Not even because they needed the networking and the skills to get the job but they need it to DO the job. No one will bust their ass for a project manager that is an intolerable douche and doesn’t think he needs anyone!

I can’t actually think of many jobs that require more networking than project management, heh.
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Project manager seems to be one of the newer “it” titles to put on your resume. I work with Project managers daily at my job, most of them are complete fucking idiots and require constant correction and advice from yours truly regarding the projects they are supposed to be “managing”

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Ask every single person you’ve ever met if their place of work is hiring anyone or any place they have a contact in. In my experience you can apply to random jobs online till you’re blue in the face, but the only way you’re ever gonna actually get a job is through networking.[/quote]

It’s not what you know, it’s who you know. Networking is huge![/quote]

This is not always true.

I applied to 10 jobs off of websites like careerbuilder and monster. Got 2 interviews and 2 job offers and I knew no one associated with either company.

Everyone that we hire is a random person, no networking involved.

I heard this BS advice towards the end of college. I never went to a single job fair, I never had a single internship. I had absolutely no networking done, but somehow, I found a job.

My dad has worked at his company for 35 yrs, he asked around and they had no positions available for someone with 0 experience, and that didn’t change cause I “knew somebody”.

95% of the time, random people applying for random jobs. Get hired…randomly. No networking needed.[/quote]

Question.

Have you started one of these jobs you were hired at? [/quote]

Answer

Yes. Been at my job for 8mo
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I am sure you have caught up on this thread by now.

Glad you are employed.

Carry on[/quote]

Nope, what did I miss???

Something tells me that you were hoping my answer to your question was going to be “no” and that the only Interviews I had were at BS headhunting agencies leavi me with no job, hmmm?

I highly doubt you asked such a simple question just to get me to read this entire thread

carry on, eh?[/quote]
Honestly kind of saddens me that you did not take the time to read it, I mean it would take a couple minutes really.

You never know you may actually learn something from people older and more experienced than you. But again, good luck at your job.[/quote]

What do you Call A retard with experience? …a retard. I’ve had enough garbage advice from people with “experience” to realize that experience doesn’t mean everything. A lot of idiots out there pull the experience card cause they don’t have anything else to point to for credentials

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So you have nobody in your field that is more experienced or advanced than you?

I have 20 years of medical experience and a masters degree. The same person just coming out of school has a masters degree also but 0 years of medical experience.

But we are equal? [/quote]

The owner of my company (44 yrs experience)
The vp of engineering (35 yrs experience)
My boss (20 yrs) experience.

They are all engineers and I keep my mouth shut and ears open when I am around them…but oddly enough, not a single one of them EVER cites how much experience they have (they are all engineers, this is a large reason I respect them and listen to them)

My shitsmear drafter has been at the company for 7 yrs (WAYYYYYY MORE EXPERIENCE THAN I HAVE!!!) and touts his experience left and right and even goes so far as to tell me that I don’t know what I am talking about (engineers are dumb). He starts lunch 5 min early, and leaves everyday 5 min early.

The more I hear someone make the experience argument the less likely I am to listen to them, again cause they are falling back on it cause it’s all they have

BEEN DOIN IT WRONG FOR SEVEN YEARS LONG!!!
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To be fair, this is the internet. A different medium. If someone never makes it clear as to what they’re about and what they’ve done, how would you know the volume of credence to give their words?

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Carbiduis, as someone who markets himself as having exceptional communication skills, surely you understand that if they don’t like the package upon initial assessment, people will be less likely to view the contents without abject expectancy bias counter to your interests. Given your position, I’m sure you also under the significance of risk management and how collateral damage that doesn’t yield outstanding gross gain will only hamper net gain. That’s only assuming one vector (and typically that gross gain would be expressed through another vector anyway). Your attitude is unnecessary. This could be handled a lot better.

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A couple of recognizeable customers of ours that I have projects with right now are Gillette, Morton salt (received approval yesterday), Owens Corning and Procter and gamble.

Just saying, my title isn’t BS.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:
I’ve gotten this same response for years,

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LOL.

Gee, what a surprise.[/quote]

The common man is a fool what can I say…those people are behind and below me at this point further reinforcing my confidence, excuse
Me.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Carbiduis, I think everyone reading this thread knows who the clown is. I’m sure ‘project manager’ is an awesome job though.

As to the OP… am I the only one who noticed he’s 20 years old and a level 5 purchaser? I’ve spent waaaay too much money on here, over the course of 10 years, and I’m only halfway to being a level 5. Something tells me he’s gotten plenty of past support from his parents. I feel like abject poverty is not in this kid’s present or future.[/quote]

I have a feeling I know what “project manager” really is when referring to Carbiduis. He has some sort of engineering degree from what I’ve gathered.

My father is the senior project manager and lead inspector at a major university in California. He is oversees eight- or nine-figure jobs, such as building new dorms, laboratories, classrooms, libraries, gyms, etc, etc. He routinely hires people right out of college with an engineering degree of some sort for the position of project manager.

Basically, it’s an over-glorified inspection job, where you walk around with a hardhat on and make sure that the contractors and their employees are following proper safety procedures and doing their work in accordance with the Uniform Building Code. It’s a fancy name attached to what is essentially a babysitting job for people who resent your very presence on the job site. Whenever anything goes wrong, they can’t even do shit. They just call my dad up and he comes down to the job site and kicks some ass while the “project manager” stands behind him with a shit-eating grin on their face.

This might not be what Carbiduis does, but I’ve learned enough over the years to ascertain that Carbiduis has a VERY inflated sense of self-worth, which fits the bill perfectly with the sort of project manager I’m thinking of. Maybe he works in an entirely different field than what I have described, but I’m sure that whatever area he works in, he’s vastly overstating his importance to the company and most of his co-workers would probably laugh at his worthless, misguided attempts at making himself look important.

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HEY EVERYONE THE BABYSITTER IS HERE !!!

B.S. in Mechanical Engineering, but we’ll give it to ya!

Your attempt to describe my job is laughable, but OF COURSE it over glorified numbnuts. Shit, few people in this wolrd (and none in this forum) are truely as important as they think they are.

So by your elaborate description of daddy coming down to clean up, you are there every single time that happens huh? And they all do it? Everyones the same?..huh?

Theres only one babysitter here and it isnt me.

I acutally deal with…well…other project managers that happen to be engineers themselves.

Aaaannd…you goddam right I have a fucking high opinion of myself, chump. And for no other reason that I have PROVEN to myself who I am only after many years of doubt, following advice of my peers, people like you, and some with more experience…problem was, they never had experience with ME

how are the kids, the coke, and the ole hag??[/quote]

Something tells me that of all the people at your company who you aspire to be like, or whose position you hope to someday hold or whatever, none of them have ever spent their free time ranting and raving about how cool they are and how well they know themselves on a website and so on and so forth while literally EVERYONE around them is telling them in their own way what petulant, obstinant jerks they are.

I’m sure you’re not as ignorant, obnoxious, immature, full of false bravado and downright choleric as you continually appear to be on this site, but maybe when most of your extended interactions with people on here end up with people essentially telling you that you are all of these things and more, it’s time to look in the mirror a little longer and a little harder and think a little more deeply about whose advice you should REALLY follow.[/quote]

Well the practical answer is of course not, the Internet has only been around for a portion of the timeframe…also, you would be surprised, our owner wouldn’t hestitate to rant about his greatness.

I make a point about how networking isn’t the end all and be all and that makes me ignorant huh? And besides I’m just speaking the language dude, I’m not obnoxious or immature but a forum like this demands that one writes that way…of all fucking people, you say this?

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Its frightening how much this guy sounds like some of the bullshit PM’s where i work…

He’s right about the experience thing too…i have no “project management” experience and could do their jobs and still perform mine LOL

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Sometimes when I would see carbiduis post I had the notion in the back of my mind that he was an obnoxious douchebag, but I could never remember why. Now I remember.