How Do They Get Big In Jail?

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[quote]DSmolken wrote:
will to power wrote:
No one says there isn’t variation between populations, only that the differentiation is not sufficient for racial or subspecies divide. Part of the difference is that laymen often overestimate the role of genetics.
A few people are insisting that there must be zero variation between populations in terms of the distribution of sprinting ability, long-distance running ability and muscle-building potential (to keep this somewhat on-topic). The only way that could happen is if human natural selection stopped dead 40000 years ago.
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Sorry, when I said no one I meant in the scientific community, at least as far as I’m aware.

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Distributions are just that - distributions. I would guess that when it comes to genes relevant to athletic performance, a random elite Finnish sprinter would probably be more similar to a Nigerian sprinter than to a Finnish marathoner (but even more similar to another Finnish sprinter). We don’t know this right now, but in 5-10 years we will.[/quote]

I agree with you on that statement.

To put what I’m trying to get across with race v population though; given a random Finnish individual there would be more genetic variation between them and a random Nigerian individual than compared with another random Finnish individual. However, the average genetic variation between Finnish people and Nigerians is much smaller than between Finnish individuals, which is why the different is not to a racial or subspecies degree, but simply a population difference.

It also isn’t why we have different cultures, that shit is just retarded [this isn’t directed at you].

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Something to assist this thread get back on track:

First of all,I must say to work in a prison is pretty much on par with being in prison…except you go home after 12hrs. You’re watching inmates watch you constantly. You pick up so much shit,it affects you if don’t catch it…hell,thats where my screen name originated…anyways:

Their are some big dudes in prison…most not on the level of pro bodybuilders…some just “lumberjack” huge. Genetics is still a factor. The guys have tons of time on their hands and they get tons of restkey…

The food is mostly crap…I know because it was served to us also…tons of butter,salt,sugars…but not as worse as VitaPro scandal few years back.

I don’t believe its been brought up(which it should have),but these guys have what is called COMMISSARY. Lots of the inmates skip meals depending on what is served in kitchen and if they have plenty of commissary or not. Regardless of how bad the food is,they take advantage of whats available to them:

Tuna,Mackerel,Tortillas,Noodles,Dried Fruit,Peanut Butter,WHEY PROTEIN,AMINO ACIDS,VITAMINS are available to them through commissary.
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/finance/comm&trust/comm&trust-commissary-products.htm

These guys are eating constantly…and they are also using lots of calories from working out constantly also. I would watch guys lift for an hour on the yard…then later on do tons of pushups,jumping jacks,bodysquats,etc. They get 2 hours recreation a day…one in morning…one in evening.

They would also fill trash bags with water…curl with them or put in trashcans themselves to lift. This was pretty much EVERY DAMN DAY…factor that with what I mentioned earlier and the amount of time to rest those muscles.

As for steriods…they don’t work by themselves. I’m not going to rule out the availability of steroids,because its possible with prevalent problem of “dirty bosses.”

But I’ve never known of any inmates with an “addiction” for steriods that supersedes wanting meth,cocaine,weed…and pussy…which they still get…but thats an another wonderful story itself.

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[quote]Guerrero wrote:
Alot of these guys Ive talked to who have been to prison, weren’t very intelligent.

Others were very smart.

But some maybe the majority aren’t really good wells of knowledge.

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To help your obvious curiosity and lack of knowledge,I,my friend offer you some real insight. The population of prisoners IN MY EXPERIENCE are not all stupid,career criminal thugs. We are all a step away from being incarcerated…its a thin line. I’ve heard the stories of inmates who are former lawyers,doctors,teachers,police detectives,etc. I’ve found less intelligent people here…go figure.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
CFH0319 wrote:
I work at a federal pen and have worked in corrections for several years now. The inmates don’t get weight stacks in the newer prison and when they break in the older prisons they are not replaced. This doesn’t stop them from finding ways to do heavy compound moves. I’ve seen make shift weights with trash bags filled with water or their laundry bags filled with every medicine ball from the exercise area. The inmates follow rigerous schedules when it comes to their training. They can eat 3 times a day for free in our chow hall. Plus the ones who are serious about getting big and strong or even just staying that way, a lot of inmates are already jacked when we get them, buy healthier choice from commissary. They make make shift meals in microwaves using mackrel and other stuff. They eat a large amount of peanut butter. I see them keep very complete journals of their training. Not to mention they have plenty of time for recovery. These guys are motivated, have little else to do, and some are very intelligent. Some may be big just from genetics, but most of the ones who are jacked put in the time and are very motivated.

Which sounds absolutely NO different than the people with the same progress outside of the prison system.

I honestly think people who lack drive or possibly even the slightest genetic ability just look for excuses. There is nothing keeping most people from doing the same in their personal lives if they were driven enough to do so.

Yet they will still blame it on everything from prison, to drugs, to genetics when the true issue missing is consistency and determination.[/quote]

I just now found the above post by CFH0319…had to swim thru the bullshit as usual…I pretty much said the same in a round about way…and you hit the biggest point dead on.

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[quote]rstanley wrote:
haha holy fuck! go back and re-read sento’s posts.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RACE PERIOD.

There are absolutely no genetic differences between people…at all …period.

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You must be joking.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
rstanley wrote:
haha holy fuck! go back and re-read sento’s posts.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RACE PERIOD.

There are absolutely no genetic differences between people…at all …period.

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You must be joking.[/quote]

Of course not,don’t you know we’re all pink when the lights go off.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Sentoguy,
Although you are very intelligent, I disagree with you on the “we are all one human race” thing that is so PC these days. We are all of one human species. But, we are of different races: Asian, White, and Black. Within these races are sub-races as well. The whites are composed of Alpines, Mediterraneans (real mediterraneans, not middle easteaners who are really asian or asian-white mixtures), Nordics, Dinarics, and East Baltics. There are other divisions and names given to the mixture of these peoples as well. I am just not a racial anthropoligist so I do not know the whole deal.

There are approximately 300 genetic differences between blacks and whites. That alone tells me that we are of different races. Personally, I believe races differ in stature, intellect, cognitive ability, physical strength, emotionality, behavior, aptitude, inclination and so on and I will most likely never be convinved otherwise nor do I care to argue this point. [/quote]

An anthropologist would disagree with you. There is no “race” other than “human” and DNA study agrees with this.

In terms of genetic “freaks” within a population, I once read somewhere that where you have greater diversity in a given gene pool (such as the african continent where in one village there is said to be more genetic diversity than the rest of the world), you are going to have greater extremes to the left or right of the typical bell curve. This likely explains the anecdotal observations here about blacks and athletic performance. This doesn’t imply it doesn’t occur in whites (it does) but probably less frequently depending on lineage/background.

Anyway, it’s an issue of genetics and specific genes and mutations thereof. And apparently these occur and can be found in all so called “races”.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Just by the societies that the races have created WHEN THEY WERE NOT INTERFERED with tells me that people are of different races in themselves.

And when I mean no interference, I mean before any of the races bothered with each other at all. When Europeans were in North America and Europe, when Asians were in Asia, and when blacks were in Africa. The products of these different societies speaks for themselves and tells just how different the races are. [/quote]

That is about the biggest bit of ignorance I’ve read in a while. According to your theory of race, an asian, european, north american, eskimo and african dropped from the sky and landed in their territory proper. LOL. Wow. Must be a republican.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Never been through a tragedy of any sort.

I find this funny as well! When did I ever state anything negative or hateful about any race of people on this entire board?! I stated the races are significantly DIFFERENT. When on this thread did I say something HATEFUL!?

I only goy my ass kicked twice in my life and it was by fellow white kids!

Sento did not waste his time. I stated what I believe and Sento stated what he believes at the same time sharing with us some relevant information.

Actually, if I recall correctly, 1984 is a novel that depicted thought crime. Contrary to me being tolerant of people’s views here, those who probably claim to be the most tolerant are probably the most intolerant. I say the races are significantly different and people bring up “hate”, the Holocaust, and slavery.

Talk about going wild with an idea! Where does this shit come from? I will repeat this. I mention differences and then I have people speaking of the Holocaust and slavery and experiencing tragedy! Are you fucking nuts?!

I know Jamaica quite well. I work there! And posted a few times from a computer at my job…in Jamaica.

Sento thinks that some modern day scientists hold “outdated” beliefs. I think not. In addition, I do not pay attention to the NUMBER of differences within races or between races. I pay attention to the SIGNIFICANCE of differences.

I am not a racial-physical anthropologist, nor do I claim to be one, contrary to many Tards who feel that because they have hobbies in fitness and nutrition, that they are also endocrinologists, urologists, anthropologists, sex and dating counselors, dietitians, political scientists, and so on and are completely INTOLERANT of different ideas that do not follow the party line!

I am one of the only whites at the healthcare place I work at. Some of my co workers like working with me and I like working with some of them.

I was not ignoring Sento. It is just the fact that I (and some scientists who know what they are doing better than we do) have my beliefs which I base upon observation and from the scientific literature that I have read, much of which is not outdated.

I actually have respect and admiration for a good number of non white people. I actually stated my respect and admiration on this damn thread I am posting on by mentioning the likes of Ronnie Coleman, Lee Haney, and Johnnie Jackson, three exceptionally gifted bodybuilders and former athletes. By stating that we have differences, did this imply that I think that non whites are not friendly, respectful, respectable, intellifent and so on.

However, I am honest in the fact that I did not choose to go into a whole debate about this topic because at the end of the day, I do not have the energy for smashing keyboards while in heightened emotionality, nor do I find these kinds of talks entertaining for the most part. The topic might be interesting, but it is certainly not entertaining, ESPECIALLY when I am speaking to intolerant people.

I had one poster on here state that he was freightened by me stating that the races differ in various ways. What is FREIGHTENING about this? Is it freightening that German Shepherds and Bichons are different? Is it freightening that Black Widows and your common harmless house spider are different? Garden snake versus a rattlesnake?

I did not think so. I do not find it freightening. I work on a daily basis with people who are different than me. I am not waking up in terror everyday.

It is also not of high entertainment to me because throughout my life, I do not associate with non whites much out of work. I live in a nearly all white neighborhood despite living in Queens (Little Neck), I go to gyms in mostly white neighborhoods (Syosset, Middle Village) and I socialize in nearly all white areas as well (certain parts of Astoria, Turtle Bay, Bay Ridge, Bensonhurst, Tribeca, Murray Hill, Plainview, Great Neck, Syosset).

I also exclusively date white women. So, therefore, I do not even judge non whites in the same way that I judge whites. Not only do we differ genetically in my view, we have different values, beliefs, religions, social norms, and yes, I do believe, a different morality. Such characteristics are an outgrowth of our genetics in my book.

So this is not a matter of me thinking that I am “better” (this is a favorite word of intolerant people) than anyone since I do not judge others with the morality of white people. They have their morality, whites have theirs. This is being DIFFERENT. NOT BETTER! It also does not imply that I run around like an uncivilized, inhumane, disrespectful twit either!

Blacks act like Blacks, Asians act like Asians, and White act like whites. That is how I see it. I would like to know what is HATEFUL or WRONG about this?

If anything, my statements and lack of posting after saying goodbye and that I do not wish to continue further is that I am indifferent on the matter.

Even if I was convinced by Sento’s statements in a scientific sense, do you think I am going to start socializing, working out, and living in different places or with different people or start dating non white women? Will it change what I SEE the races DOING and how they BEHAVE…COLLECTIVELY! People differ individually and collectively.

And what is wrong with COLLECTIVE thought anyway, being that Testosterone is supposed to pride itself on being so hardcore and manly. Aside from the differences within races (as Sento made mentioned of) what about the COLLECTIVE and SIGNIFICANT differences between races? Surely, this has no weight in our PC feminized world.

Or in a thread where my views are akin to the start of a Holocaust?! People might say “you are generalizing”. Well folks, generalizing has its merit. Everyone on this board generalizes and discriminates in nearly every facet of their lives. Anyone who says otherwise is full of shit in my book.

Back to the things I truly care about most: lifting, spending time with friends and family, and getting paid. Have a nice day to all of you intolerant ones. [/quote]

Scary. Even moreso because it was fairly well written. By the way, genetically, that bichon and german shepard are alike.

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I got half way thru the thread and apologize, for some folks beat me to the punch. Anyway, I’m finished with the thread b/c its morphed into a disussion that quite frankly is over most people’s heads and they are bringing personal baggage rather than science to the table. Dumb.

Anyway, for anyone interested, a very good read is Seven Daughters of Eve. It’s a quick read and easy to follow even though the topic is genetics.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:
Jews, for the most part, are not fully white. They are a European-Asian mix.

Who is fully ‘white’? What country do have to originate in to be fully white? And how many eons back? Jews are a religion. There are Russian Jews, German Jews, English Jews. Slavic Jews. Even some African Jews. In case you weren’t sure, there are Asian Christians. Black Christians too.[/quote]

Yeah, that’s a good point. Not all that long ago Irish weren’t considered “white”! Now, no one would question that someone like Conan Obrien is “white”.

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[quote]bbp wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:
Hello my fellow T-mag geniuses, qualified anthropoligists and historians,

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And the wars and enslavement of people is not only a matter of one group thinking they are better than the other. There is more black on black crime than white on black crime. This is not a matter of some blacks thinking they are better than other blacks based on race in my view. Enslavement of blacks by other blacks in Africa goes on to this day. So watch out in pointing fingers towards Nazism and Fascism and a holocaust.

People state here that there is OVERWHELMING evidence presented by Sento. Well, I have come across conflicting evidence. Even if I did accept his evidence as true, would this change the way the races ACT in REAL LIFE, consistently, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, IN THE MAJORITY OF SITUATIONS!

Would it make a difference if I were convinced by Sento, with his overwhelming evidence, in the fact that whenever different groups of people are forced to live with one another, there is MORE hate, violence, and disharmony.

In Los Angeles, there are Mexican gangs at war with Black gangs.

Yugoslavia, a great experiment! Forcing people of fiercely nationalist beliefs (Croats, Serbs, Bosnians, Albanians, Slovenes) and religions (some Catholic, some Orthodox, some Moslem) together was great. As a matter of fact, it was great to this day. :slight_smile:

In the Middle East, there is religious diversity amongst different tribes. That works out nicely too, especially in unstable Iraq, where these groups are now free to kill each other.

In the five boroughs of NYC, the most diverse place on this earth probably, it is really pleasant to have your white friends and peers pretending to be friendly and cordial while at the same time whispering under their breaths or speaking out in private using the words n-----, ch—, go–,
sp–, ki–, and so on. I personally find it disturbing.

So, to repeat, even if Sento’s peer reviewed evidence held any weight with me, that still doesn’t hold any weight in RACIAL REALITY, the way races behave towards one another, as a GROUP, as COLLECTIVE entities over and over and over again and how they behave when they are ON THEIR OWN, as COLLECTIVE entities.

I wouldn’t call myself an anthropologist, but I am doing my PhD in Cultural Anthropology.

Wait…so you believe that genetics is the main driving force behind the perceived differences of behavior of various races? If so, please clarify. This argument is devoid of biological evidence and ignores the role and power of socio-economic factors in influencing group behavior. Many times, things such as economic competition are the main driving force behind For example the within an American context, the Chinese during WWII were cast under positive light, while the Japanese were demonized. In today’s world, these views are somewhat reversed because of China’s economic rise and Japan’s geopolitical role within the region.

My point is that these racial divisions and antagonisms that exist historically and in the present, are by no way hardwired nor are they indicative of any “essential” differences between races or even groups.

And yes, we have been killing each other over religious/ethnic lines for centuries. But I am not sure how you think this proves that there are in fact salient, genetic differences between races.

“So, to repeat, even if Sento’s peer reviewed evidence held any weight with me, that still doesn’t hold any weight in RACIAL REALITY, the way races behave towards one another, as a GROUP, as COLLECTIVE entities over and over and over again and how they behave when they are ON THEIR OWN, as COLLECTIVE entities.”

The old ethnographic model that views cultures as inherently isolated is pretty outdated. Most anthropologists, particularly in today’s global context, don’t see culture as something that is static, but something that is constantly in motion. Even in the ancient times very seldom can any ancient cultures be truly considered ‘isolated.’

Furthermore, on the issue of collective entities, groups and ethnicities are hard to define. Even in Papua New Guinea (which many see as the most current example of group ‘isolation’) from tribe to tribe, each have vastly different language, culture, practices, and beliefs. But as an outsider, we often still typify them as occupying the same racial category.

Just as a side note, as an undergrad, I remember speaking to one of my old Evolutionary biology professor who is fairly famous (err at least to anthropologists) on the topic of race. He told our class something to the effect of that there is no genetic or biological basis for race. He really wasn’t being PC or all “We are the World” but just that there really isn’t any scientific evidence for race, besides as an artificial categorization. He then went on to explain how there is more genetic variation between two chimps then two humans of any race.

I think what is happening is that you are seeing ethnic conflict and cultural difference only from the perspective of genetics, whereas in the real world, there are so many other forces that come into play. [/quote]

Great Post!

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Why has this thread now turned into an argument over race?

Does anyone look at the thread title anymore?

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[quote]Der Candy wrote:
Why has this thread now turned into an argument over race?

Does anyone look at the thread title anymore?[/quote]

Probably because it shouldn’t take more than one post to answer the OP’s question.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Actually that is exactly the point. In order to categorize people into races (“black” in this example), there must be certain characteristics that all members of that “race” share. That is once again not my stipulation, but biology’s. [/quote]

That sounds suspiciously like a stipulation invented by someone with a political agenda to do away with the classification of people into races.

Those little girls look like albinos to me. I’ve seen plenty of Japanese, Indonesian, and “black” albinos. The gene for albinism is shared by all races, and in fact by most species of mammal and even some plants.

By the way, believe me, equatorial Sumatra is one place you don’t want to have a complete lack of melanin. I gave one poor fucker in Bukittinggi a tube of 50 SPF sunblock. He had a lot more use for it than I did.

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“That sounds suspiciously like a stipulation invented by someone with a political agenda to do away with the classification of people into races.”

Is it ever possible to be truly objective and devoid of any political agenda or biases?

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I would workout my ass checks in jail. That way I could shut them tight when need be.

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I hate the way these race threads also turn a bit nasty - we are NOT discussing the human traits here, we are simply discussing physical capacity! Black or white, it’s the man inside that counts - but that doesn’t men we can’t say one race is physically superior…

No one besides a man of West African genetic roots has ever run 100 meters in less than 10 seconds.

Can anyone disprove this ‘fact’. Because of they can’t, then it ain’t just down to hard work and good nutrition! Furthermore, it doesn’t take a genius to suggest that such physical strengths may be pretty ideal for bodybuilding. Looks at the physiques on some of the top 100m runners - awesome and they aren’t doing specific bodybuilding training. Linford Christie for example, would have been an amazing bodybuilder. I’ve seen ‘some’ black guys who have done zero weight training and they have had ripped six-packs and defined pecs - personally I have not seen many white guys with good pec development without training.

‘‘African Americans and other members of the West African diaspora hold the top 500 times ever in the 100 meters dash and are almost as strong in the 200m and 400m. By the 800m however they are merely competitive on the world scale. By the 1500m they only show up rarely in world-class events, and they are unknown in the 5000m.’’

I once read a very interesting article about the genetic ‘thread’ of west africans; essentially it suggested that they have a larger genetic range, which means there is a larger disparity between the ‘weaker genes’ and the ‘best genes’ in terms of physical capacity. So, this suggests that not all blacks will be great sprinter - but, that a small percentage of them will be very, very good.

Peace to all!

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Actually that is exactly the point. In order to categorize people into races (“black” in this example), there must be certain characteristics that all members of that “race” share. That is once again not my stipulation, but biology’s.

That sounds suspiciously like a stipulation invented by someone with a political agenda to do away with the classification of people into races.
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These classifications existed for non-human animals already, and were simply extended to the analysis of humans.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Actually that is exactly the point. In order to categorize people into races (“black” in this example), there must be certain characteristics that all members of that “race” share. That is once again not my stipulation, but biology’s.

That sounds suspiciously like a stipulation invented by someone with a political agenda to do away with the classification of people into races.
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LOL. And what would that be, to eliminate “racism”, prejudice, classism, and other forms of repression? Damn, let’s hope that agenda never comes to fruition. :stuck_out_tongue:

Yes, both are albinos. My point was simply that they had “white” skin. If someone were trying to say that they’ve never seen two parents with dark skin who gave birth to a child of “white” skin, then those two pictures would still be examples of just that happening.

My point also wasn’t that you don’t get albinos in all “races” of people. You do, as you stated. But if you are talking about the genetic trait of skin color as the marker for being “black”, “white”, “asian”, or whatever, then those examples would still have to be considered “white”.

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By the way, believe me, equatorial Sumatra is one place you don’t want to have a complete lack of melanin. I gave one poor fucker in Bukittinggi a tube of 50 SPF sunblock. He had a lot more use for it than I did.[/quote]

I can imagine. Though I have read some interesting alternative reasoning that suggests that skin color might not actually be a survival adaptation to sun exposure or heat. Aborigines would actually be a good example of this, as Australia is further from the equator than Vietnam or Thailand, yet Aborigines have considerably darker skin than Vietnamese or Thai native peoples.

If skin color truly was directly linked to sun exposure and proximity to the equator, then why does this happen?

I’m not saying that I completely discount the theory btw. It’s just an interesting question. Albeit completely off topic.

I think everyone has pretty much stated their case about the whole “what is race and does it exist” topic. So, let’s let this thread get back to discussing the original question.