How Do They Get Big In Jail?

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[quote]toddthebod wrote:
First, define for me what “black” means. What defines someone as black?

That’s entirely missing the point. I’m not arguing that all black people have some certain characteristic. I’m using the example of skin color as a physical characteristic that seems to have taken on drastically different forms in different populations, to the point that there is virtually no overlap between particular ethnically homogeneous populations (ever see a black Inuit? or a white Kikuyu?)
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Actually that is exactly the point. In order to categorize people into races (“black” in this example), there must be certain characteristics that all members of that “race” share. That is once again not my stipulation, but biology’s.

Also, here is a “white” girl born of two “black” parents:
ttp://www.afrikaansealbinos.nl/Images/thumbBIG_moederkind.jpg

Here is a “white” aboriginal girl:

[quote]
That’s just wrong. Somehow there are large ethnically homogeneous populations throughout the world that all have similar skin color, similar eye shape, similar nose shape, similar hair color, and similar hair texture, yet there can’t be populations with similar muscle fiber distribution?[/quote]

Within any population you will find variations in physical features, stature, disease resistance, etc… Also, even if you could find a trait that all members of a homogeneous population possessed, you’d also find members of a completely different population that also possessed them. Thus, making them inaccurate/poor methods of classifying “races” of peoples.

Check out this article. Warning: it’s a long read.
http://discovermagazine.com/1994/nov/racewithoutcolor444

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[quote]Fulmen wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:

Again, thanks for the information but as stated before, I will NEVER be convinced otherwise.

Shame he made you waste all of your time, Sento.[/quote]

Well, as the old saying goes, “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink”. I’m willing to “waste” my time trying to point people in the direction of truth, even though I know that some will refuse to absorb it. I’m willing to do this because I know that others are reading this discussion other than Bricknyce and I and that some will listen.

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Here’s another interesting paper if anyone wants to read it.

http://newsreel.org/guides/race/whatdiff.htm

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Most anthropologists will tell you that there are more genetic differences within the ‘races’ than between the ‘racees’. [/quote]

Absolutely.

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All this “there is no such thing as race” stuff is just because people want to invalidate the KKK, Nazi’s and other assholes like that. That said, I still think there are different races, you could probably divide it up to more than five or six groups, it doesnt mean any of them are inferior or deserve less rights than the others, just different. And when you have mixing races it makes kids with traits from both and that is also fine. I like black girls too.

An example of a race is those tall ass fuckers in africa(nuer or something like that). I would not say they are the same race as the pygmies, even though they are both black. Also you can be PC all you want but that will never mean if you put my clone with the nuer tribe he would grow up to be anything but a about average(I am 5’10" but it may go up or down depending on diet when he is being raised by them guys) height, white (ok probably sunburned) studly sob.

And with people like professor x (unless he is really a 14 year old asian girl) micheal jordan (i am pretty sure he is not a 14 year old asian girl) and others( look it up) black people are not generally cognitavely inferior to white people(obviously if you compared a white scientist to a black crackhead you would find one being stupider than the other, but you could also compare a black scientist to a white heroine addict and get the same result). I am going to go out on a limb here and say that most people are of average intelligence and are quite slow. Black, white, red or green, I’ll fuck em all like charlie sheen!

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The level of ignorance displayed in this thread is astounding. Bricknyce’s 1984-ish doublethink is particularly frightening. I mean he’s basically ADMITTING, “I don’t care what the facts are, I will believe this, and I’m telling myself that I will believe this even though I know it’s wrong, but I’ll just pretend it’s not.” Holy shit, that’s how stuff like slavery and the Holocaust happen.

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I work at a federal pen and have worked in corrections for several years now. The inmates don’t get weight stacks in the newer prison and when they break in the older prisons they are not replaced. This doesn’t stop them from finding ways to do heavy compound moves. I’ve seen make shift weights with trash bags filled with water or their laundry bags filled with every medicine ball from the exercise area.

The inmates follow rigerous schedules when it comes to their training. They can eat 3 times a day for free in our chow hall. Plus the ones who are serious about getting big and strong or even just staying that way, a lot of inmates are already jacked when we get them, buy healthier choice from commissary. They make make shift meals in microwaves using mackrel and other stuff. They eat a large amount of peanut butter. I see them keep very complete journals of their training. Not to mention they have plenty of time for recovery.

These guys are motivated, have little else to do, and some are very intelligent. Some may be big just from genetics, but most of the ones who are jacked put in the time and are very motivated.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Fulmen wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:

Again, thanks for the information but as stated before, I will NEVER be convinced otherwise.

Shame he made you waste all of your time, Sento.

Well, as the old saying goes, “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink”. I’m willing to “waste” my time trying to point people in the direction of truth, even though I know that some will refuse to absorb it. I’m willing to do this because I know that others are reading this discussion other than Bricknyce and I and that some will listen.[/quote]

Not a waste of time. Some of us have quietly read this thread with great interest. Thanks for the food for thought and the reference material.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Genetic traits are passed down on an individual basis, thus eliminating the concept that there is any correlation between traits like skin color and athletic ability, or muscle fiber distribution.[/quote]
Some correlations between ancestry and athletic ability and/or muscle fiber distribution:

“Do skeletal muscle phenotypic characteristics of Xhosa and Caucasian endurance runners differ when matched for training and racing distances?”

http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/103/3/932

“African runners exhibit greater fatigue resistance, lower lactate accumulation, and higher oxidative enzyme activity”

“Physiological characteristics of the best Eritrean runners-exceptional running economy”

“Physiological differences between black and white runners during a treadmill marathon”

And something not related to long-distance running:

“Skeletal muscle characteristics in sedentary black and Caucasian males”

That’s just from doing one quick search on Pubmed. The University of Glasgow even has an International Centre for East African Running Science. http://www.icears.org/

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[quote]CFH0319 wrote:
I work at a federal pen and have worked in corrections for several years now. The inmates don’t get weight stacks in the newer prison and when they break in the older prisons they are not replaced. This doesn’t stop them from finding ways to do heavy compound moves. I’ve seen make shift weights with trash bags filled with water or their laundry bags filled with every medicine ball from the exercise area. The inmates follow rigerous schedules when it comes to their training. They can eat 3 times a day for free in our chow hall. Plus the ones who are serious about getting big and strong or even just staying that way, a lot of inmates are already jacked when we get them, buy healthier choice from commissary. They make make shift meals in microwaves using mackrel and other stuff. They eat a large amount of peanut butter. I see them keep very complete journals of their training. Not to mention they have plenty of time for recovery. These guys are motivated, have little else to do, and some are very intelligent. Some may be big just from genetics, but most of the ones who are jacked put in the time and are very motivated.[/quote]

Which sounds absolutely NO different than the people with the same progress outside of the prison system.

I honestly think people who lack drive or possibly even the slightest genetic ability just look for excuses. There is nothing keeping most people from doing the same in their personal lives if they were driven enough to do so.

Yet they will still blame it on everything from prison, to drugs, to genetics when the true issue missing is consistency and determination.

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[quote]Dedicated wrote:
As far as guys in prison who lift just as there are some huge dudes who hit the weight pile there are legions of skinny dudes in there as well…
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Good point! It’s not like all guys in jail are huge mofo…

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Note: I had to remove all of the links, or else I can never get the quotes to work right.

[quote]DSmolken wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Genetic traits are passed down on an individual basis, thus eliminating the concept that there is any correlation between traits like skin color and athletic ability, or muscle fiber distribution.
Some correlations between ancestry and athletic ability and/or muscle fiber distribution:
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Well, first I’m not arguing that ancestry has no correlation with muscle fiber distribution (athletic ability is a little more of a broad term).

But, if you were to group people by things like ancestral muscle fiber distribution then you’d wind up with certain groups from western africa lumped with certain groups of Eastern europeans, with polynesians. Which doesn’t conform to the classical “race” model at all.

Which is kind of my point. In order for there to be true “racial” lines, characteristics must be concordant. But depending on what trait you choose to categorize people by, you’ll wind up with completely different “racial” categories. Hence their lack of concordance, hence the conclusion that biologists have made, which is that there are no “races” of humans.

The problem with that study that I see is that they didn’t specify what was meant by “caucasian”. Was it simply skin color? Also, the Xhosa are a high altitude people which means that their bodies have adapted to their climate and give them certain advantages when it comes to endurance. Running is also a big part of their culture in my understanding.

My bet is that if they had other high altitude people who were also endurance athletes do the same test, they’d find very similar results. So, you’d probably get a race consisting of Xhosa, sherpas, certain high altitude dwelling peoples in South America, etc… You’d also have to say that the Xhosas are a different “race” than other indigenous peoples of Africa. Which once again doesn’t conform to the classical “race” model.

Pretty much the same problems arise in this study.

Well, at least in this study they picked a specific other group to test their results against. But Eritrea also has high elevations. I realize that the study mentioned that the participants were sea level dwelling, but that doesn’t mean that their ancestors were sea level dwelling.

Yet again, too ambiguous.

Way, way too ambiguous! Were these “black” men actually 100% African (and what does that even mean?)? Were they Kohsian? Xhosa? Egyptian? Nigerian? Were the “white” men spaniards? British? Dutch? German? Greek?

For the most part many of these studies only help to illustrate the power that the concept of “race” has on even scientists. At least some of the studies were specific though, so those I can’t really fault. They didn’t really prove anything other than environmental factors can influence the characteristics of their inhabitants though. Which doesn’t really do anything to back up the biological concept of “race”.

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[quote]CFH0319 wrote:
I work at a federal pen and have worked in corrections for several years now. The inmates don’t get weight stacks in the newer prison and when they break in the older prisons they are not replaced. This doesn’t stop them from finding ways to do heavy compound moves. I’ve seen make shift weights with trash bags filled with water or their laundry bags filled with every medicine ball from the exercise area. The inmates follow rigerous schedules when it comes to their training. They can eat 3 times a day for free in our chow hall. Plus the ones who are serious about getting big and strong or even just staying that way, a lot of inmates are already jacked when we get them, buy healthier choice from commissary. They make make shift meals in microwaves using mackrel and other stuff. They eat a large amount of peanut butter. I see them keep very complete journals of their training. Not to mention they have plenty of time for recovery. These guys are motivated, have little else to do, and some are very intelligent. Some may be big just from genetics, but most of the ones who are jacked put in the time and are very motivated.[/quote]

Exactly right. Like I said, there are WAYS to eat big in prison. Add that to intense training, even if non-traditional. Why WOULDN’T you grow? No reason at all. There is no mystery here.

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I don’t think we disagree on anything of substance, actually.

I mean, I don’t think you disagree that humans have been subject to natural selection, that different groups’ ancestors have been under different selection pressures and that some of these pressures have resulted in different frequencies of gene variants relevant to athletic performance (such as the aforementioned ACTN3)?

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[quote]DSmolken wrote:
I don’t think we disagree on anything of substance, actually.

I mean, I don’t think you disagree that humans have been subject to natural selection, that different groups’ ancestors have been under different selection pressures and that some of these pressures have resulted in different frequencies of gene variants relevant to athletic performance (such as the aforementioned ACTN3)?[/quote]

No, we don’t disagree on that.

That just isn’t the same thing as “race”, which is what the discussion was/is about.

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[quote]rmccart1 wrote:
The level of ignorance displayed in this thread is astounding. Bricknyce’s 1984-ish doublethink is particularly frightening. I mean he’s basically ADMITTING, “I don’t care what the facts are, I will believe this, and I’m telling myself that I will believe this even though I know it’s wrong, but I’ll just pretend it’s not.” Holy shit, that’s how stuff like slavery and the Holocaust happen.[/quote]

Let’s not be too hasty in casting judgement on Bricknyce though. We don’t know what he’s been through or what experiences he may have had which have caused him to feel the way he does.

My sister had a friend growing up who was born and raised in Bosnia (former Yugoslavia) who witnessed her brother get shot in the head and killed during the civil war. I can’t even begin to understand how that must have felt. And wouldn’t even try to convince her that the Croatians who killed her brother weren’t evil people.

Perhaps Bricknyce has experience some form of trajedy which has led to his feelings about “races” of people.

We don’t know the whole story. So let’s just accept that at this point he isn’t ready to change his mind at this point. Unless maybe you have been through that type of trajedy and forgiven the person/people who committed it.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
DSmolken wrote:
I don’t think we disagree on anything of substance, actually.

I mean, I don’t think you disagree that humans have been subject to natural selection, that different groups’ ancestors have been under different selection pressures and that some of these pressures have resulted in different frequencies of gene variants relevant to athletic performance (such as the aforementioned ACTN3)?

No, we don’t disagree on that.

That just isn’t the same thing as “race”, which is what the discussion was/is about.[/quote]

All right, then any disagreement between us is about the terminology which should be used for human taxonomy. That’s way too off-topic here, and what views I have on the subject are pretty much explained in the GNXP link I posted earlier in this thread.

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Them to links that were posted on the first page, are a good read.

The guy who got interviewed in part 1, has some stupid numbers.

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Never been through a tragedy of any sort.

I find this funny as well! When did I ever state anything negative or hateful about any race of people on this entire board?! I stated the races are significantly DIFFERENT. When on this thread did I say something HATEFUL!?

I only goy my ass kicked twice in my life and it was by fellow white kids!

Sento did not waste his time. I stated what I believe and Sento stated what he believes at the same time sharing with us some relevant information.

Actually, if I recall correctly, 1984 is a novel that depicted thought crime. Contrary to me being tolerant of people’s views here, those who probably claim to be the most tolerant are probably the most intolerant. I say the races are significantly different and people bring up “hate”, the Holocaust, and slavery.

Talk about going wild with an idea! Where does this shit come from? I will repeat this. I mention differences and then I have people speaking of the Holocaust and slavery and experiencing tragedy! Are you fucking nuts?!

I know Jamaica quite well. I work there! And posted a few times from a computer at my job…in Jamaica.

Sento thinks that some modern day scientists hold “outdated” beliefs. I think not. In addition, I do not pay attention to the NUMBER of differences within races or between races. I pay attention to the SIGNIFICANCE of differences.

I am not a racial-physical anthropologist, nor do I claim to be one, contrary to many Tards who feel that because they have hobbies in fitness and nutrition, that they are also endocrinologists, urologists, anthropologists, sex and dating counselors, dietitians, political scientists, and so on and are completely INTOLERANT of different ideas that do not follow the party line!

I am one of the only whites at the healthcare place I work at. Some of my co workers like working with me and I like working with some of them.

I was not ignoring Sento. It is just the fact that I (and some scientists who know what they are doing better than we do) have my beliefs which I base upon observation and from the scientific literature that I have read, much of which is not outdated.

I actually have respect and admiration for a good number of non white people. I actually stated my respect and admiration on this damn thread I am posting on by mentioning the likes of Ronnie Coleman, Lee Haney, and Johnnie Jackson, three exceptionally gifted bodybuilders and former athletes. By stating that we have differences, did this imply that I think that non whites are not friendly, respectful, respectable, intellifent and so on.

However, I am honest in the fact that I did not choose to go into a whole debate about this topic because at the end of the day, I do not have the energy for smashing keyboards while in heightened emotionality, nor do I find these kinds of talks entertaining for the most part. The topic might be interesting, but it is certainly not entertaining, ESPECIALLY when I am speaking to intolerant people.

I had one poster on here state that he was freightened by me stating that the races differ in various ways. What is FREIGHTENING about this? Is it freightening that German Shepherds and Bichons are different? Is it freightening that Black Widows and your common harmless house spider are different? Garden snake versus a rattlesnake?

I did not think so. I do not find it freightening. I work on a daily basis with people who are different than me. I am not waking up in terror everyday.

It is also not of high entertainment to me because throughout my life, I do not associate with non whites much out of work. I live in a nearly all white neighborhood despite living in Queens (Little Neck), I go to gyms in mostly white neighborhoods (Syosset, Middle Village) and I socialize in nearly all white areas as well (certain parts of Astoria, Turtle Bay, Bay Ridge, Bensonhurst, Tribeca, Murray Hill, Plainview, Great Neck, Syosset).

I also exclusively date white women. So, therefore, I do not even judge non whites in the same way that I judge whites. Not only do we differ genetically in my view, we have different values, beliefs, religions, social norms, and yes, I do believe, a different morality. Such characteristics are an outgrowth of our genetics in my book.

So this is not a matter of me thinking that I am “better” (this is a favorite word of intolerant people) than anyone since I do not judge others with the morality of white people. They have their morality, whites have theirs. This is being DIFFERENT. NOT BETTER! It also does not imply that I run around like an uncivilized, inhumane, disrespectful twit either!

Blacks act like Blacks, Asians act like Asians, and White act like whites. That is how I see it. I would like to know what is HATEFUL or WRONG about this?

If anything, my statements and lack of posting after saying goodbye and that I do not wish to continue further is that I am indifferent on the matter.

Even if I was convinced by Sento’s statements in a scientific sense, do you think I am going to start socializing, working out, and living in different places or with different people or start dating non white women? Will it change what I SEE the races DOING and how they BEHAVE…COLLECTIVELY! People differ individually and collectively.

And what is wrong with COLLECTIVE thought anyway, being that Testosterone is supposed to pride itself on being so hardcore and manly. Aside from the differences within races (as Sento made mentioned of) what about the COLLECTIVE and SIGNIFICANT differences between races? Surely, this has no weight in our PC feminized world.

Or in a thread where my views are akin to the start of a Holocaust?! People might say “you are generalizing”. Well folks, generalizing has its merit. Everyone on this board generalizes and discriminates in nearly every facet of their lives. Anyone who says otherwise is full of shit in my book.

Back to the things I truly care about most: lifting, spending time with friends and family, and getting paid. Have a nice day to all of you intolerant ones.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Never been through a tragedy of any sort.

I find this funny as well! When did I ever state anything negative or hateful about any race of people on this entire board?! I stated the races are significantly DIFFERENT. When on this thread did I say something HATEFUL!?

I only goy my ass kicked twice in my life and it was by fellow white kids!

Sento did not waste his time. I stated what I believe and Sento stated what he believes at the same time sharing with us some relevant information.

Actually, if I recall correctly, 1984 is a novel that depicted thought crime. Contrary to me being tolerant of people’s views here, those who probably claim to be the most tolerant are probably the most intolerant. I say the races are significantly different and people bring up “hate”, the Holocaust, and slavery. Talk about going wild with an idea! Where does this shit come from? I will repeat this. I mention differences and then I have people speaking of the Holocaust and slavery and experiencing tragedy! Are you fucking nuts?!

I know Jamaica quite well. I work there! And posted a few times from a computer at my job…in Jamaica.

Sento thinks that some modern day scientists hold “outdated” beliefs. I think not. In addition, I do not pay attention to the NUMBER of differences within races or between races. I pay attention to the SIGNIFICANCE of differences.

I am not a racial-physical anthropologist, nor do I claim to be one, contrary to many T-Tards who feel that because they have hobbies in fitness and nutrition, that they are also endocrinologists, urologists, anthropologists, sex and dating counselors, dietitians, political scientists, and so on and are completely INTOLERANT of different ideas that do not follow the party line!

I am one of the only whites at the healthcare place I work at. Some of my co workers like working with me and I like working with some of them.

I was not ignoring Sento. It is just the fact that I (and some scientists who know what they are doing better than we do) have my beliefs which I base upon observation and from the scientific literature that I have read, much of which is not outdated.

I actually have respect and admiration for a good number of non white people. I actually stated my respect and admiration on this damn thread I am posting on by mentioning the likes of Ronnie Coleman, Lee Haney, and Johnnie Jackson, three exceptionally gifted bodybuilders and former athletes. By stating that we have differences, did this imply that I think that non whites are not friendly, respectful, respectable, intellifent and so on.

However, I am honest in the fact that I did not choose to go into a whole debate about this topic because at the end of the day, I do not have the energy for smashing keyboards while in heightened emotionality, nor do I find these kinds of talks entertaining for the most part. The topic might be interesting, but it is certainly not entertaining, ESPECIALLY when I am speaking to intolerant people.

I had one poster on here state that he was freightened by me stating that the races differ in various ways. What is FREIGHTENING about this? Is it freightening that German Shepherds and Bichons are different? Is it freightening that Black Widows and your common harmless house spider are different? Garden snake versus a rattlesnake? I did not think so. I do not find it freightening. I work on a daily basis with people who are different than me. I am not waking up in terror everyday.

It is also not of high entertainment to me because throughout my life, I do not associate with non whites much out of work. I live in a nearly all white neighborhood despite living in Queens (Little Neck), I go to gyms in mostly white neighborhoods (Syosset, Middle Village) and I socialize in nearly all white areas as well (certain parts of Astoria, Turtle Bay, Bay Ridge, Bensonhurst, Tribeca, Murray Hill, Plainview, Great Neck, Syosset). I also exclusively date white women. So, therefore, I do not even judge non whites in the same way that I judge whites. Not only do we differ genetically in my view, we have different values, beliefs, religions, social norms, and yes, I do believe, a different morality. Such characteristics are an outgrowth of our genetics in my book.

So this is not a matter of me thinking that I am “better” (this is a favorite word of intolerant people) than anyone since I do not judge others with the morality of white people. They have their morality, whites have theirs. This is being DIFFERENT. NOT BETTER! It also does not imply that I run around like an uncivilized, inhumane, disrespectful twit either!

Blacks act like Blacks, Asians act like Asians, and White act like whites. That is how I see it. I would like to know what is HATEFUL or WRONG about this?

If anything, my statements and lack of posting after saying goodbye and that I do not wish to continue further is that I am indifferent on the matter. Even if I was convinced by Sento’s statements in a scientific sense, do you think I am going to start socializing, working out, and living in different places or with different people or start dating non white women? Will it change what I SEE the races DOING and how they BEHAVE…COLLECTIVELY! People differ individually and collectively.

And what is wrong with COLLECTIVE thought anyway, being that Testosterone is supposed to pride itself on being so hardcore and manly. Aside from the differences within races (as Sento made mentioned of) what about the COLLECTIVE and SIGNIFICANT differences between races? Surely, this has no weight in our PC feminized world. Or in a thread where my views are akin to the start of a Holocaust?! People might say “you are generalizing”. Well folks, generalizing has its merit. Everyone on this board generalizes and discriminates in nearly every facet of their lives. Anyone who says otherwise is full of shit in my book.

Back to the things I truly care about most: lifting, spending time with friends and family, and getting paid. Have a nice day to all of you intolerant ones. [/quote]

Yeah. But you offer no basis in fact for any genetic differences. And you also seem to fail to appreciate a little thing called ‘culture’. There are differences. Most if not all are caused by hundreds of years of culture and history. It doesn’t mean the differences are not real. I don’t think your post was akin to the Holocaust. But it is the same line of reasoning that allowed it to happen. The Holocaust could not have happened without a determination that their were actual genetic differences and inferiorities in temperament and intelligence between races [with no basis in fact].