[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
2 things I doubt [i]I’ll[/i] ever fully understand… Powerlifting & women.
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Well you see, women cause all the problems in the world, and powerlifting is a productive way to vent that frustration. Simple enough? [/quote]
hahaha
btw…just waded through this thread, PURE GOLD!
lots of good lifting/strength game info…
lots of classic X anger,
lots of X hate/pwneage
lots of comedy.
please continue!
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
X, you looked better in your last avatar… not sure if black and white takes away from your physique…[/quote]
newsflash… Prof X IS black. He cant help it you racist bastard!!
ouch…
lol @ this thread. Typical X behavior. My absolute favorite part was when X attacked rrjc for writing a lengthy response. Oh the irony in that (cuz, u know, more than 30 thousand posts from X are filled with argumentative bullshit)
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
I had to wade through 17 pages of bullshit before I found the actual point of this thread. To answer the original question: You don’t see a lot of big Zercher numbers because Zercher anything is really fucking hard. Personally, I love zercher squats, carries, and deadlifts. You don’t see many people do them from the floor because they lack the mobility to get in a strong position or they have a very weak back. I dont think the bicep arguement is relevent. If you look at where the load is in relation to the bicep insertion/origin, the stress is no where near the amount of weight on the bar. If you are holding the weight with your biceps, then you are in a very bad position. I have done Zercher squats with 405 + 120lbs of chain for reps and carried 365lbs for 80 foot trips and not once have my biceps been sore afterwards… and I rarely train them anyway.
Yes they suck. Yes they are uncomfortable. Zercher lifts hit a lot of common weakness’s lifters and athletes have. To completely write them off because of some misguided assumptions about injury risk is just stupid. Then again, squatting is bad for your knees.
I asked Louie when I was at Westside what he thought the best core building exercise is for the powerlifts. His response was “Zercher anything.”[/quote]
On a related note, I don’t see any point to doing them from the floor. Unlike others here, when I did zercher squats, I squatted between my knees, and thus the bar and range of motion was to the top of my thighs. Where is the benefit from deadlifting the weight to your knees as in the OP, then squatting? If we’re talking being able to get under the bar, from the floor, with the crooks of your elbows…that’s another thing altogether but I don’t get it.
I like your zercher carries…never thought of that. What’s your deadlift?[/quote]
As far as the Zercher from the floor, don’t turn it into a squat halfway up. Most people will have to get into an extreme sumo stance to get under the bar. From there just pull it in one smooth motion. Don’t set it like an atlas stone or a thick log. Just pick it up and lock it out. You want all the stress on your back, hamstrings, and glutes. Start doing them like that and as the weight on them goes up, so will your squat and DL (if powerlifting is your thing). Also, you will find a great deal of hypertrophy in your testicles as the weight gets heavier.[/quote]
Where in your workout lineup do you usually put them? I was thinking of using them for 5x10 straight weight or something similar and using it as my 3rd movement.[/quote]
I like doing the carries last. Zercher squats and deads, I will either do them as a max effort lift or the first assistance exercise after whatever the main lift is (ME or DE).
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
As far as the Zercher from the floor, don’t turn it into a squat halfway up. Most people will have to get into an extreme sumo stance to get under the bar. From there just pull it in one smooth motion. Don’t set it like an atlas stone or a thick log. Just pick it up and lock it out. You want all the stress on your back, hamstrings, and glutes. Start doing them like that and as the weight on them goes up, so will your squat and DL (if powerlifting is your thing). Also, you will find a great deal of hypertrophy in your testicles as the weight gets heavier.[/quote]
Thanks for this. I never thought of trying them like that. I tried it tonight. Holy crap. I couldn’t get 135 up off the floor more than twice. Granted it was after a lot of squatting but holy hell. It’s tough to keep your back from rounding though.[/quote]
Yea, they still would have sucked, even without the squats.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
I had to wade through 17 pages of bullshit before I found the actual point of this thread. To answer the original question: You don’t see a lot of big Zercher numbers because Zercher anything is really fucking hard. Personally, I love zercher squats, carries, and deadlifts. You don’t see many people do them from the floor because they lack the mobility to get in a strong position or they have a very weak back. I dont think the bicep arguement is relevent. If you look at where the load is in relation to the bicep insertion/origin, the stress is no where near the amount of weight on the bar. If you are holding the weight with your biceps, then you are in a very bad position. I have done Zercher squats with 405 + 120lbs of chain for reps and carried 365lbs for 80 foot trips and not once have my biceps been sore afterwards… and I rarely train them anyway.
Yes they suck. Yes they are uncomfortable. Zercher lifts hit a lot of common weakness’s lifters and athletes have. To completely write them off because of some misguided assumptions about injury risk is just stupid. Then again, squatting is bad for your knees.
I asked Louie when I was at Westside what he thought the best core building exercise is for the powerlifts. His response was “Zercher anything.”[/quote]
On a related note, I don’t see any point to doing them from the floor. Unlike others here, when I did zercher squats, I squatted between my knees, and thus the bar and range of motion was to the top of my thighs. Where is the benefit from deadlifting the weight to your knees as in the OP, then squatting? If we’re talking being able to get under the bar, from the floor, with the crooks of your elbows…that’s another thing altogether but I don’t get it.
I like your zercher carries…never thought of that. What’s your deadlift?[/quote]
As far as the Zercher from the floor, don’t turn it into a squat halfway up. Most people will have to get into an extreme sumo stance to get under the bar. From there just pull it in one smooth motion. Don’t set it like an atlas stone or a thick log. Just pick it up and lock it out. You want all the stress on your back, hamstrings, and glutes. Start doing them like that and as the weight on them goes up, so will your squat and DL (if powerlifting is your thing). Also, you will find a great deal of hypertrophy in your testicles as the weight gets heavier.[/quote]
LOL.
Nice DL. Very nice. You can gear your ass off in the squat and bench, but the deadlift tells no lies. [/quote]
Funny thing is I had just starting gaining weight back from a huge drop. I went from 280 to 229. When I did the 810, I weighed in at 253. My deadlift suit fit like a MooMoo.
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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Worship, devoted followers![/quote]
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
X, you looked better in your last avatar… not sure if black and white takes away from your physique, or maybe you are leaning out too much and perhaps getting a bit “flatter” if I have my BB terms correct…[/quote]
Dude, I will be sure to mark your opinion down seeing as how valuable it is.
Or, I will continue chuckling any time you post and at anyone else who spends this much time worrying about what I write.
You really have to wonder how much interest people have when a comment to someone else in an off topic forum thread can lead to this.
I mean, I know I don’t see anyone else getting this treatment including the people in this thread saying the exact same thing.
Yeah, the peanut gallery is hot with good old advice for me. LOL
Oh, and say hello to the concept of distance and lighting. The last avatar was taken in a different room just a week before…but again, thanks for all of that valued input. You know, the stuff you are known for. This room was chosen because of the pic taken 3 months before in the same room.
You know, the concept of using the same lighting to show change over time. You’ll get it one day.
I don’t know why anyone is wasting their time over here. Andy Bolton is handing out advice in the powerlifting forum. Later, no doubt, Santa will make an appearance. FWIW, they both do zerchers.
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
I don’t know why anyone is wasting their time over here. Andy Bolton is handing out advice in the powerlifting forum. Later, no doubt, Santa will make an appearance. FWIW, they both do zerchers.[/quote]
This thread is 19 pages long and you ask that question?
Ask them how much weekly direct biceps training they do…you know, since the point of what anyone else is saying seems to be ignored for the witch hunt in progress.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
X, you looked better in your last avatar… not sure if black and white takes away from your physique, or maybe you are leaning out too much and perhaps getting a bit “flatter” if I have my BB terms correct…[/quote]
Dude, I will be sure to mark your opinion down seeing as how valuable it is.
Or, I will continue chuckling any time you post and at anyone else who spends this much time worrying about what I write.
You really have to wonder how much interest people have when a comment to someone else in an off topic forum thread can lead to this.
I mean, I know I don’t see anyone else getting this treatment including the people in this thread saying the exact same thing.
Yeah, the peanut gallery is hot with good old advice for me. LOL
Oh, and say hello to the concept of distance and lighting. The last avatar was taken in a different room just a week before…but again, thanks for all of that valued input. You know, the stuff you are known for. This room was chosen because of the pic taken 3 months before in the same room.
You know, the concept of using the same lighting to show change over time. You’ll get it one day.[/quote]
haha, sure thing “dude”…
btw… you don’t seem to mind my posts if they AGREE with what you type…
oh, wait, that just does not apply to me, it is EVERYBODY.
and judging by the paragraph you wrote in response, I think you care lots.
you are a trip. I would love to meet you in real life. Just to see if you really are how you come across in these threads, or if it just a big internet persona you are projecting.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
X, you looked better in your last avatar… not sure if black and white takes away from your physique, or maybe you are leaning out too much and perhaps getting a bit “flatter” if I have my BB terms correct…[/quote]
Dude, I will be sure to mark your opinion down seeing as how valuable it is.
Or, I will continue chuckling any time you post and at anyone else who spends this much time worrying about what I write.
You really have to wonder how much interest people have when a comment to someone else in an off topic forum thread can lead to this.
I mean, I know I don’t see anyone else getting this treatment including the people in this thread saying the exact same thing.
Yeah, the peanut gallery is hot with good old advice for me. LOL
Oh, and say hello to the concept of distance and lighting. The last avatar was taken in a different room just a week before…but again, thanks for all of that valued input. You know, the stuff you are known for. This room was chosen because of the pic taken 3 months before in the same room.
You know, the concept of using the same lighting to show change over time. You’ll get it one day.[/quote]
haha, sure thing “dude”…
btw… you don’t seem to mind my posts if they AGREE with what you type…
oh, wait, that just does not apply to me, it is EVERYBODY.
and judging by the paragraph you wrote in response, I think you care lots.
you are a trip. I would love to meet you in real life. Just to see if you really are how you come across in these threads, or if it just a big internet persona you are projecting. [/quote]
Dude, I don’t mind ANYONE’S posts the way some of you mind mine. I didn’t even remember your name associated with who you actually are until you spent so much time running after me in the last thread exactly like this one…you know, the one where you couldn’t stick to your own medical scenario.
The same goes for most here. Most of you don’t stand out that much in your postings here and I doubt anyone cares.
That’s the point. No one would give a shit about coming after you like this…so tell me, why are you so attracted to me?
Iron Dwarf said exactly what I wrote and even stated specifically that the exercidse itself would lead to a tear…which isn’t even my stance.
You know how many came after him?
The issue here is, why can’t a discussion take place here anymore without this?
The take home message here was that FOR THOSE WHO DO TRAIN BICEPS DIRECTLY every single week with heavy weight, there may be added risk with this.
That didn’t effect POWERLIFTERS who don’t train biceps but infrequently at all…and since my posts weren’t even directed at power lifters who DON’T train biceps directly that frequently, what is the logic here?
What exactly do you have an issue with?
???
I could give a shit what you think about zerchers…
please show me where I have debated with you on this thread about the OP. not once. I think it is just a funny and entertaining thread…you do too…otherwise you would not have wasted some much of your valuable time you could have been doing a root canal posting in this “stupid thread”
you love this shit, everybody knows it, and the fact that there are a few guys who are now willing to go on endless debates with you about whatever is even more satisfying to you.
do you really think that anybody here believes you really hate this site and all the “stupid worthless threads” when you spend so much of your time on this site participating in them???
haha.
I used to have an issue with you…now I just think you are funny…
tweaking you is just pure entertainment at this point.
thing is, I do not really feel like any of this really bothers you…you enjoy internet bickering.
I do too sometimes…but not nearly as much as you.
I have been on the site nearly as long as you and compare our number of posts.
I know you will have to respond to this as you always have to have the last word…
so go ahead and do it…
but after that if you want to discuss any “issues” with me, do it via PM or even better,
let me know if you are ever in northern cali…and we can talk in person.
I bet you are not as big of an asshole as you try to make yourself out to be and I bet you will find out I am a pretty decent guy too.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
you love this shit, everybody knows it, and the fact that there are a few guys who are now willing to go on endless debates with you about whatever is even more satisfying to you.
[/quote]
That’s where you’re wrong. This shit fucks up this forum. This shit is why I have gotten 5 different pms in the last month about people leaving the forum, some of them long time members who are respected.
What I want is for things to be like they were when most of the people responding in serious debate actually seemed to care more about weight lifting and that camaraderie than this current bullshit where I need a lawyer for every post or else every thread turns to shit.
Nothing written in this thread warranted this…and if this is truly funny and entertaining to you, then thanks for helping to fuck up what used to actually get some decent debate.
That “sarcoplasmic hypertrophy” thread is still gold…because it informed a shit load of people…not because it allowed every troll in the surrounding area to pile on in a shit thread like this.
Keep laughing though. Glad that’s funny to you.
The internets most successful troll.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
This shit fucks up this forum. This shit is why I have gotten 5 different pms in the last month about people leaving the forum, some of them long time members who are respected.
What I want is for things to be like they were when most of the people responding in serious debate actually seemed to care more about weight lifting and that camaraderie than this current bullshit where I need a lawyer for every post or else every thread turns to shit.
[/quote]
As full of shit this thread is, it’s littered with TONS of great info on zercher lifts. It’s perfectly fucking clear at this point who should and who shouldn’t be doing them. It’s perfectly fucking clear at this point of the laundry list of benefits to this exercise, as well as the potential danger - as well as ways to minimize the “danger”. It’s got great info on how to incorporate them into training, as well zercher variations, among fuckloads of discussion of peoples’ results with zerchers.
If you were to eliminate all of the bickering in this thread, you’d have a solid thread that has covered almost every aspect of this one particular lift that can possibly discuss. It’s actually a great thread for powerlifters.
It’s just a shit thread to you because of two reasons:
You didn’t happen to have your tenth birthday recently, did you?