How Big Is a Natural Bodybuilder?

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]enrac wrote:

[quote]Random Weights wrote:
This was an interesting article I read from Martin Berkhan on the muscular potential of drug free bodybuilders
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Interesting read. I find, for me at least, talking about limits like this does two bad things. For one, it assumes we’ve seen it all. Perhaps we’ve seen a fair amount, granted, but we haven’t seen everything (even assuming, as that paper does, “average” genetics).

The second thing, which is worse, is that it creates a mental ceiling. Do we really want to set limits on ourselves (even a subconscious one)? There’s a difference between this and “being realistic”. The latter acknowledges limited means (having a family, work duties, etc) which someone will have to learn to work around, the former limits the end.

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Nice post I agree.

Do any of you think Ezekiel Jackson from the WWE is natural? The reason I ask is because the WWE implemented a strict Well-Being Programme against drug use in the company. They recently suspended a 198lb high flying Mexican named Sin Cara for testing positive for steroids and violating their drug code. [/quote]
Sin Cara was suspended?! Really didn’t see that coming. He just got on the roster lol.

[quote]rickycranford wrote:

[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
how tall are you, and how sure are you that you are actually 15 percent bodyfat[/quote]

Im 5’11", and Im pretty sure Im 15-17%. My father does the caliper test for me every month. I used to be 23% last summer but I’ve been on the warrior diet for some time now.[/quote]
I am almost exactly your height and am 210 my stats are not to far form yours, but how are you that weight at that height.
And the size of your thighs what jeans do you wear can you wear any? And you said sz40 ? what is four waist measurements?
You need to post pictures of yourself next to a wall with size charts and submit measurement pictures with user name tagged only way I could believe this.

so, how many testosterone nation posters actually posted there picture? Any T-Nation Naturals? Worth mentioning that is…

Edit: I’ve seen a couple like the mighty stu, good stuff.
and a new guy named bonez who said he was natural. does professorX claim to be natural?

[quote]mketodd wrote:
so, how many testosterone nation posters actually posted there picture? Any T-Nation Naturals? Worth mentioning that is…

Edit: I’ve seen a couple like the mighty stu, good stuff.
and a new guy named bonez who said he was natural. does professorX claim to be natural? [/quote]

Well,

Thoughts, Bugeisha, and myself are all naturals that have posted many pictures and I think we have pretty good physiques.

[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:

[quote]mketodd wrote:
so, how many testosterone nation posters actually posted there picture? Any T-Nation Naturals? Worth mentioning that is…

Edit: I’ve seen a couple like the mighty stu, good stuff.
and a new guy named bonez who said he was natural. does professorX claim to be natural? [/quote]

Well,

Thoughts, Bugeisha, and myself are all naturals that have posted many pictures and I think we have pretty good physiques.[/quote]
indeed

Jay cutler spends 50 on food a year. He would be a monster even if he never touched any aid.

I think that’s a pressing point. How many people actually live a mass monster lifestyle where eating and sleeping are basically all you do?

You copy kai greenes eating schedule for a few years while training twice a day no matter what…come back and I will put money on you being a freak.

Its all about how much you put in

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Jay cutler spends 50 on food a year. He would be a monster even if he never touched any aid.

I think that’s a pressing point. How many people actually live a mass monster lifestyle where eating and sleeping are basically all you do?

You copy kai greenes eating schedule for a few years while training twice a day no matter what…come back and I will put money on you being a freak.

Its all about how much you put in
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50 grand? That lifestyle sounds great :slight_smile:

[quote]mketodd wrote:
so, how many testosterone nation posters actually posted there picture? Any T-Nation Naturals? Worth mentioning that is…

Edit: I’ve seen a couple like the mighty stu, good stuff.
and a new guy named bonez who said he was natural. does professorX claim to be natural? [/quote]

umm

you dont have a picture posted. less talking from you that means.

And in what universe did I claim to be natural? I mean obviously youre trolling but did you think I would answer that any differently? I may be a lot of things but stupid isn’t one of them.

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Jay cutler spends 50 on food a year. He would be a monster even if he never touched any aid.

I think that’s a pressing point. How many people actually live a mass monster lifestyle where eating and sleeping are basically all you do?

You copy kai greenes eating schedule for a few years while training twice a day no matter what…come back and I will put money on you being a freak.

Its all about how much you put in
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50 grand? That lifestyle sounds great :)[/quote]

He spends an middle class salary on food. Lol

[quote]mketodd wrote:
so, how many testosterone nation posters actually posted there picture? Any T-Nation Naturals? Worth mentioning that is…

Edit: I’ve seen a couple like the mighty stu, good stuff.
and a new guy named bonez who said he was natural. does professorX claim to be natural? [/quote]
I usually hear that from guys that don’t want to put in the years of hard work. Yes,you can build a good physique naturally,if you put in the necessary effort.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]mketodd wrote:
so, how many testosterone nation posters actually posted there picture? Any T-Nation Naturals? Worth mentioning that is…

Edit: I’ve seen a couple like the mighty stu, good stuff.
and a new guy named bonez who said he was natural. does professorX claim to be natural? [/quote]

umm

you dont have a picture posted. less talking from you that means.

And in what universe did I claim to be natural? I mean obviously youre trolling but did you think I would answer that any differently? I may be a lot of things but stupid isn’t one of them. [/quote]

He isn’t talking about you. There is a new poster prepping for a show that made an RMP thread that claimed to be natural called bones.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]mketodd wrote:
so, how many testosterone nation posters actually posted there picture? Any T-Nation Naturals? Worth mentioning that is…

Edit: I’ve seen a couple like the mighty stu, good stuff.
and a new guy named bonez who said he was natural. does professorX claim to be natural? [/quote]

umm

you dont have a picture posted. less talking from you that means.

And in what universe did I claim to be natural? I mean obviously youre trolling but did you think I would answer that any differently? I may be a lot of things but stupid isn’t one of them. [/quote]

yeah… but whats wrong with your chest?

[quote]Matthaeus wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]mketodd wrote:
so, how many testosterone nation posters actually posted there picture? Any T-Nation Naturals? Worth mentioning that is…

Edit: I’ve seen a couple like the mighty stu, good stuff.
and a new guy named bonez who said he was natural. does professorX claim to be natural? [/quote]

umm

you dont have a picture posted. less talking from you that means.

And in what universe did I claim to be natural? I mean obviously youre trolling but did you think I would answer that any differently? I may be a lot of things but stupid isn’t one of them. [/quote]

He isn’t talking about you. There is a new poster prepping for a show that made an RMP thread that claimed to be natural called bones.[/quote]

oh lol. carry on then

edit

and after reading the RMP thread it’s pretty obvious this guy is a huge douchey troll

ha called it

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]mketodd wrote:
so, how many testosterone nation posters actually posted there picture? Any T-Nation Naturals? Worth mentioning that is…

Edit: I’ve seen a couple like the mighty stu, good stuff.
and a new guy named bonez who said he was natural. does professorX claim to be natural? [/quote]

umm

you dont have a picture posted. less talking from you that means.

And in what universe did I claim to be natural? I mean obviously youre trolling but did you think I would answer that any differently? I may be a lot of things but stupid isn’t one of them. [/quote]

haha, i’m pretty sure you said that in one of your post, unless it was sarcastic or someone else with bonez in there name.

Second, wtf is a troll? dude ive been a part of this site since 05’
Before it was T-Nation. It use to be called Testosterone Nation.
Ive jus been gone for over 2 years and cant remember my log in. But my old name was “Mike T.”
You can search for it, i had pictures on that account and numerous threads.

I’m no where near your size, so i’m not putting you down or anything, lmao.
So, uhh, wtf dude?

[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:

[quote]mketodd wrote:
so, how many testosterone nation posters actually posted there picture? Any T-Nation Naturals? Worth mentioning that is…

Edit: I’ve seen a couple like the mighty stu, good stuff.
and a new guy named bonez who said he was natural. does professorX claim to be natural? [/quote]

Well,

Thoughts, Bugeisha, and myself are all naturals that have posted many pictures and I think we have pretty good physiques.[/quote]

I checked out the 2 pictures on your profile. Good stuff dude.
How much did you weigh in the first pic? (the relaxed pose) How tall are you?

[quote]mketodd wrote:

[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:

[quote]mketodd wrote:
so, how many testosterone nation posters actually posted there picture? Any T-Nation Naturals? Worth mentioning that is…

Edit: I’ve seen a couple like the mighty stu, good stuff.
and a new guy named bonez who said he was natural. does professorX claim to be natural? [/quote]

Well,

Thoughts, Bugeisha, and myself are all naturals that have posted many pictures and I think we have pretty good physiques.[/quote]

I checked out the 2 pictures on your profile. Good stuff dude.
How much did you weigh in the first pic? (the relaxed pose) How tall are you?[/quote]

You can find more pics/information here:
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/first_contest_?id=4562952&pageNo=10

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Matthaeus wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]mketodd wrote:
so, how many testosterone nation posters actually posted there picture? Any T-Nation Naturals? Worth mentioning that is…

Edit: I’ve seen a couple like the mighty stu, good stuff.
and a new guy named bonez who said he was natural. does professorX claim to be natural? [/quote]

umm

you dont have a picture posted. less talking from you that means.

And in what universe did I claim to be natural? I mean obviously youre trolling but did you think I would answer that any differently? I may be a lot of things but stupid isn’t one of them. [/quote]

He isn’t talking about you. There is a new poster prepping for a show that made an RMP thread that claimed to be natural called bones.[/quote]

oh lol. carry on then

edit

and after reading the RMP thread it’s pretty obvious this guy is a huge douchey troll[/quote]

Sorry i thought it was the same guy, lol. No i wasn’t talking about you 217, it was at the RMP threads.
You look like a beast though.
Stay strong

[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:

[quote]mketodd wrote:

[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:

[quote]mketodd wrote:
so, how many testosterone nation posters actually posted there picture? Any T-Nation Naturals? Worth mentioning that is…

Edit: I’ve seen a couple like the mighty stu, good stuff.
and a new guy named bonez who said he was natural. does professorX claim to be natural? [/quote]

Well,

Thoughts, Bugeisha, and myself are all naturals that have posted many pictures and I think we have pretty good physiques.[/quote]

I checked out the 2 pictures on your profile. Good stuff dude.
How much did you weigh in the first pic? (the relaxed pose) How tall are you?[/quote]

You can find more pics/information here:
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/first_contest_?id=4562952&pageNo=10[/quote]

Looking sick.
1 Thing i noticed, just personal opinion i couldnt really tell, but it looks like your hams and calfs are lacking. Everything else is good.

So, weight and height?

[quote]mketodd wrote:

[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:

[quote]mketodd wrote:

[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:

[quote]mketodd wrote:
so, how many testosterone nation posters actually posted there picture? Any T-Nation Naturals? Worth mentioning that is…

Edit: I’ve seen a couple like the mighty stu, good stuff.
and a new guy named bonez who said he was natural. does professorX claim to be natural? [/quote]

Well,

Thoughts, Bugeisha, and myself are all naturals that have posted many pictures and I think we have pretty good physiques.[/quote]

I checked out the 2 pictures on your profile. Good stuff dude.
How much did you weigh in the first pic? (the relaxed pose) How tall are you?[/quote]

You can find more pics/information here:
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/first_contest_?id=4562952&pageNo=10[/quote]

Looking sick.
1 Thing i noticed, just personal opinion i couldnt really tell, but it looks like your hams and calfs are lacking. Everything else is good.

So, weight and height?[/quote]

Hmm, hams aren’t too bad…calves are about average.