I have read the evils of soy article and I have cut soy from my diet
I was just wondering how much soy is dangerous, also there is soy in Metabolic Drive, so I dont think it could be that bad
so how much so is actually in Metabolic Drive? bc I tried looking but I couldnt find any stats
There is no soy protein in Metabolic Drive, which is what you should be worried about, not soy lecithin. Lecithin is simply an emulsifier and doesn’t carry with it the same estrogen problems as soy protein.
Hope this explains it for you.
its just lecithin
from wikipedia ( Lecithin - Wikipedia ):
Lecithin is mostly a mixture of glycolipids, triglycerides, and phospholipids (e.g. phosphatidylcholine, phosphatidylethanolamine, and phosphatidylinositol).
alright makes sense now
I knew they wouldnt have put it in anything after those articles
and pretty interesting read about it on wiki
thanks a lot for the information
The estrogen issue is a bunch of hype. I laugh when I see people throw away thousands of years of safe use because of articles that can be traced back to people selling whey.
Phytoestrogens in soy are very weak and actually protect the body because they block the estrogen receptors so that the stronger, more damaging ones can’t do their thing.
Soy is great. Just be sure it is non-GMO and water washed.
[quote]Uzie wrote:
The estrogen issue is a bunch of hype. I laugh when I see people throw away thousands of years of safe use because of articles that can be traced back to people selling whey.
Phytoestrogens in soy are very weak and actually protect the body because they block the estrogen receptors so that the stronger, more damaging ones can’t do their thing.
Soy is great. Just be sure it is non-GMO and water washed.[/quote]
Yhea kind of like all the soy being touted as safe by the HUHGE soy board and its lobbist.
Whiel it became more available and began to be used on people due to the faqct they found they had to limit the use in livestock due to deformation, and other health probs. Had to have something to do with all that $$$$ and keep that lobby happy.
Im not sold its safe by any means and about 90% sure it isnt. Thats more than enough for me to not partkae while the jury is still out.
There is an enterview on this site by a dco not a whey sales person that is a great read sorry no link but worth looking at the artivcle and then the full text.
Phill
[quote]Uzie wrote:
The estrogen issue is a bunch of hype. I laugh when I see people throw away thousands of years of safe use because of articles that can be traced back to people selling whey.[/quote]
Another important note to me any way is these same ppl selling whey could just as easily sell soy. Like this very site and hell they’d make a KILLING that crap is CHEAP and can have a HUGE profit margin. Yet HMMM they choose not to.
I commend them for that IMO, turning down profit for something they are not sure of and many things point to it being very well lets say NOT GOOD.
Phill
[quote]Uzie wrote:
I laugh when I see people throw away thousands of years of safe use because of articles that can be traced back to people selling whey.
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by thousands, you mean hundreds right, or decades perhaps?
anyways, back to my tuna
[quote]Uzie wrote:
The estrogen issue is a bunch of hype. I laugh when I see people throw away thousands of years of safe use because of articles that can be traced back to people selling whey.
Phytoestrogens in soy are very weak and actually protect the body because they block the estrogen receptors so that the stronger, more damaging ones can’t do their thing.
Soy is great. Just be sure it is non-GMO and water washed.[/quote]
There are, of course, many individuals who preach against soy and whom have no interest whatsoever in selling protein supplements of any kind. Soy is poison and should be made illegal.
An interesting article by Will Brink- The (Partial) Vindication of Soy Protein.
Google it, or go to his website www.brinkzone.com for it.
Me? I’m saving my money. It’s just food for thought.
I use a mixture of soy and whey proteins. Both are good and balance is the key.
[quote]GhostNtheSystem wrote:
I use a mixture of soy and whey proteins. Both are good and balance is the key.[/quote]
Don’t come crying to us when your nuts fall off.
[quote]eic wrote:
Uzie wrote:
The estrogen issue is a bunch of hype. I laugh when I see people throw away thousands of years of safe use because of articles that can be traced back to people selling whey.
Phytoestrogens in soy are very weak and actually protect the body because they block the estrogen receptors so that the stronger, more damaging ones can’t do their thing.
Soy is great. Just be sure it is non-GMO and water washed.
There are, of course, many individuals who preach against soy and whom have no interest whatsoever in selling protein supplements of any kind. Soy is poison and should be made illegal.
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html
http://www.drwong.us/ArchivedHealthArticles.htm[/quote]
I can think of many other things that should become illegal,that are more dangerous to your health.
Maybe trans fat is one of them.
[quote]GhostNtheSystem wrote:
I use a mixture of soy and whey proteins. Both are good and balance is the key.[/quote]
The key to what? Your balls shrinking up?
[quote]Edders wrote:
GhostNtheSystem wrote:
I use a mixture of soy and whey proteins. Both are good and balance is the key.
Don’t come crying to us when your nuts fall off.
;)[/quote]
LOL
or you begin to lactate.
If you are going to cut something out because somebody writes an article that it is dangerous, then you better give up milk, steroids, weighing more than 200 lbs, extra protein, lifting heavy weights, all red meat, all saturated fat, all fats, all carbohydrates. In fact, just don’t do anything.
Do you really think that eating a little bit of soy is going to kill you? Where is the research?
Nobody said it is going to kill you. I just don’t want my T levels lower than normal.
I’m not going to consciously use something that can possibly lower my performance, gains and recovery.
And it tastes like shit too.
[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
I can think of many other things that should become illegal,that are more dangerous to your health.
Maybe trans fat is one of them.
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That may be true, but just because something out there is just as bad or worse, doesn’t make soy any better for you.
Murder is worse than burning someone’s house down, but that doesn’t mean it’s okay to burn someone’s house down.
[quote]Florida Titan wrote:
Nobody said it is going to kill you. I just don’t want my T levels lower than normal.
I’m not going to consciously use something that can possibly lower my performance, gains and recovery.
And it tastes like shit too.[/quote]
No argument with your thinking. But the original poster said it was “dangerous”, and another poster said it should be made illegal.
[quote]Phill wrote:
Edders wrote:
GhostNtheSystem wrote:
I use a mixture of soy and whey proteins. Both are good and balance is the key.
Don’t come crying to us when your nuts fall off.
LOL
or you begin to lactate.
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…Or you get cramps once a month.
