I use soy protein, drink soy milk, eat tofu which is made with soy, eat soy-based cream cheese, etc etc. I’m not vegan, but there are plenty of vegan body builders that do quite well. As for all the ‘warnings’ and ‘dangers’, I could care less.
[quote]onewall wrote:
If you are going to cut something out because somebody writes an article that it is dangerous, then you better give up milk, steroids, weighing more than 200 lbs, extra protein, lifting heavy weights, all red meat, all saturated fat, all fats, all carbohydrates. In fact, just don’t do anything.
Do you really think that eating a little bit of soy is going to kill you? Where is the research?
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Where is the research? Did you follow either of the links I provided? Both list numerous studies detailing the many problems with soy. Further, your statement is ridiculous. You have to judge the source of information–an article–in light of any possible motives the person has for telling you what they tell you.
A company that sells protein tells you that you need huge amounts of protein? I’m suspect.
A company that sells soy tells you that you need soy because it is so good for you? I’m suspect.
People that give information away for free and have no agenda to sell you anything tell you to avoid soy? I’m listening.
In addition to the above, everything must be a cost-benefit analysis. Even if you don’t fully believe all the claims leveled against soy, why risk it? What possible need is there for soy that you can’t do with out it? For protein? Give me a fucking break. You can build a very respectable body without a spoon of ANY protein powder, let alone soy. I’ll take eggs, milk, meat, fish, cheese, etc. any day before a powder and then maybe a whey powder before soy.
My point is that without a real need and with a real possibility for negative effects, why chance it?
I say that soy should be made illegal because if people really knew all of the negative effects, they wouldn’t touch the stuff. I’ve seen soy used for ink; that is one of the few acceptable uses for soy in my opinion.
[quote]eic wrote:
I say that soy should be made illegal because if people really knew all of the negative effects, they wouldn’t touch the stuff. [/quote]
Not GhostNtheSystem, he couldn’t care less.
[quote]Edders wrote:
eic wrote:
I say that soy should be made illegal because if people really knew all of the negative effects, they wouldn’t touch the stuff.
Not GhostNtheSystem, he couldn’t care less.
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You know it, son…
[quote]eic wrote:
Where is the research? Did you follow either of the links I provided? Both list numerous studies detailing the many problems with soy. Further, your statement is ridiculous. You have to judge the source of information–an article–in light of any possible motives the person has for telling you what they tell you.
A company that sells protein tells you that you need huge amounts of protein? I’m suspect.
A company that sells soy tells you that you need soy because it is so good for you? I’m suspect.
People that give information away for free and have no agenda to sell you anything tell you to avoid soy? I’m listening.
In addition to the above, everything must be a cost-benefit analysis. Even if you don’t fully believe all the claims leveled against soy, why risk it? What possible need is there for soy that you can’t do with out it? For protein? Give me a fucking break. You can build a very respectable body without a spoon of ANY protein powder, let alone soy. I’ll take eggs, milk, meat, fish, cheese, etc. any day before a powder and then maybe a whey powder before soy.
My point is that without a real need and with a real possibility for negative effects, why chance it?
I say that soy should be made illegal because if people really knew all of the negative effects, they wouldn’t touch the stuff. I’ve seen soy used for ink; that is one of the few acceptable uses for soy in my opinion. [/quote]
I never said that anybody should choose to eat soy. If you choose not to eat it I have no argument with that.
What I said was where is the research showing that it is dangerous. An article detailing the dangers as somebody sees them is not research. Where is the statistical evidence that eating soy will cause more harm then it will good for the general population? There is a lot of research showing potential benefits of soy, such as slowing down prostate cancer.
If you are serious that it should be made illegal, well what can I say. Personally, I think that chewing gum should be made illegal. If people really knew how bad it was for their teeth they would never touch the stuff.
[quote]onewall wrote:
I never said that anybody should choose to eat soy. If you choose not to eat it I have no argument with that.
What I said was where is the research showing that it is dangerous. An article detailing the dangers as somebody sees them is not research. Where is the statistical evidence that eating soy will cause more harm then it will good for the general population? There is a lot of research showing potential benefits of soy, such as slowing down prostate cancer.
If you are serious that it should be made illegal, well what can I say. Personally, I think that chewing gum should be made illegal. If people really knew how bad it was for their teeth they would never touch the stuff.
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Again, I don’t think you followed the links. Here is one example of a collection of studies (the title itself is clear):
This one time, i ate this soy, and my right nut fell off. =(
[quote]AKA wrote:
I was just wondering how much soy is dangerous, also there is soy in Metabolic Drive, so I dont think it could be that bad
This one time, i ate this soy, and my right nut fell off. =([/quote]
See…that’s what I’m sayin.
on a side note:
I dont think people should be smoking cigarettes, if they knew what smoking actually did, I dont think anyone would touch the stuff
lol