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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ladieslove wrote:

maybe i should be careful who i associate with? dude. give me a break. you’re starting to sound like every other d bag on this site.

i’m not crying about SHIT. all i’m saying is, being a Christian is NOT convenient. that’s all i’m saying.

you know whats convenient? not believing in anything.
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LL, if you understood who you are dealing with you would get a glimpse of why he is so strident with his denunciations of Christianity. He, by my best measure, is a lost, confused, rudderless 22 year old guy who is frustratingly searching for meaning in life.

Like many youngsters if he can’t HAVE IT NOW he gets impatient. He’s lashing out trying to establish himself as a wise man and he thinks he can do this by attacking online a faith that is thousands of years old.

He has always been a cheerleader here in this regard. In other words he has no substance; he just stands and taunts. He just doesn’t know what else to do. It’s got a lot to do with immaturity. [/quote]

So defensive. At last this time you didn’t find it necessary to mention my race.

Lost? Confused? Rudderless? What a joke. Do you project stereotypes often? It might explain why you find a persons death hilarious.

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[quote]Nancy Boy wrote:

[quote]ukrainian wrote:

[quote]Nancy Boy wrote:

[quote]ukrainian wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]smithers584 wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]ladieslove wrote:
all sins are equal in the eyes of god[/quote]

So a child molester and a pickpocket approach the pearly gates[/quote]

I think maybe more so than saying “all sins are equal in the eyes of God”, its more like “all sins have an equal chance of being forgiven in the eyes of God”.

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The point is the same. They are still equal in whatever fantasy world this “equality of sins” concept comes from. Sins are not all equal, and to say otherwise is just retarded.[/quote]

I agree with this. The whole equality of sins was probably just conceived by the Church because they wanted to make more money of the common folk. The Church of the Medieval times was way too corrupt. [/quote]

You have this completely backwards. The New Testament teaches the equality of sins. Penance and indulgences were invented later. This latter idea necessitates gradations of sin and is completely against the Biblical conception of sin and salvation.[/quote]

The New Testament as we know it now. Who says it hasn’t been tampered with?[/quote]
the voices in my head[/quote]

Touch�©.

I do have nothing against Christianity and Catholicism as I am Catholic, but the Church and its leaders throughout history and nowadays have been quite suspect. I don’t trust it that much.

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[quote]ladieslove wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]ladieslove wrote:

[quote]Nancy Boy wrote:

[quote]ladieslove wrote:
shadowzz… it’s not convenient to be a christian.

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Christianity seems like the easiest of the religions. There aren’t any difficult rules or rituals to follow. And, even if you do fuck up, Jesus can magically wipe it away. Buddhists and Hindus sometimes need to work for several lifetimes to achieve their goal, while Christians automatically achieve their goal by faith in Jesus. Religion can’t get much more convinient or easy than that.[/quote]

i understand what you’re saying.

What i mean is, as a Christian, i’m judged pretty harshly by people around me. I can’t say, “I’m a Christian” without someone reaming me out for hating gays or whatever. Most people don’t know enough about Christianity.

i may be a Christian… but i’m also an awesome person… mega awesome in fact.

i don’t push my religion on anyone, i believe what i want and i expect people to let me.
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Boo hoo?

Maybe (and this is a pretty big maybe) you should be a lot more careful with who you associate with. I don’t know many people that “ream” individuals for hating gays without that person having said something to give the impression of homophobia in the first place.[/quote]

maybe i should be careful who i associate with? dude. give me a break. you’re starting to sound like every other d bag on this site.

i’m not crying about SHIT. all i’m saying is, being a Christian is NOT convenient. that’s all i’m saying.

you know whats convenient? not believing in anything.
[/quote]

This is so true. People nowadays want everything for nothing, with the least amount of effort. Being a good member of any religion takes WORK and DEDICATION, some things this world is fast losing the meaning of.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

So defensive. At last this time you didn’t find it necessary to mention my race.[/quote]

I noticed you didn’t pull out your mace and “mention” Christianity. At last.[quote]

Lost? Confused? Rudderless? What a joke. Do you project stereotypes often? It might explain why you find a persons death hilarious.[/quote]

That’s my honest assessment of you. You’ve been here awhile. You have a track record. Maybe I’m wrong. But you beat the “I hate Christianity/Bible” drum SO much that it leads me to believe something is messin’ you up in the head.

And again, I did not find a person’s death hilarious; I found the author and wording of his obituary hilarious. Distinction Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com

“Stereotypes” was not the proper word to employ here. I’m not sure what was but stereotype makes no sense.[/quote]

That’s funny. I’d actually describe you as lost and confused.

I bring out the anti-religion lines where it’s relevant.

Try harder.

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I’ve read the first few pages of this thread and my conclusion is that…

The internet is out of control.

I feel like it’s 1999 again and I’m just getting my first feel of how people behind computers talk to each other as opposed to in real life…

Just a few quick impressions …

*poor reading comprehension
*lack of answering the posters original queries
*thread quickly turning into soft core porn sharing place

/palm to head

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[quote]smithers584 wrote:

[quote]Ronsauce wrote:

Fixed.[/quote]

Maybe. Maybe not. Just because you can explain how things happen does not always mean you can explain why things happen.
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I dont believe in karma, or even god for that matter. I think often times people are relating things that happen and calling it “karma” or “God’s work”. Cause you know there is such thing as a coincidence, luck, probability etc. and when these things happen people want to put a label on it, god/karma, but i just call it chance.

For all those people who should’ve died for some reason, but didnt by “some wonderful act of god”, there are 5 other people dieing, did “god” forget about them? Nope, its just probability, some get lucky, most don’t. And further more, for those people who did* die, “it was their time” and “god decided to call them up to heaven”. I say BULLSH*T, things do and dont happen everywhere everyday without god. But nonetheless, I do respect people’s beliefs and refuse to call people names and idiots etc. Just sharing the way i feel about “god”.

O, and back on the gay topic. I’ve been toying with the idea (in my mind) that gays can marry ONLY under the condition that they adopt, cause that is what marriage is for, rasing kids.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:
O, and back on the gay topic. I’ve been toying with the idea (in my mind) that gays can marry ONLY under the condition that they adopt, cause that is what marriage is for, rasing kids. [/quote]

Well let’s impose this rule on heterosexual couples too, some of them don’t have kids either.

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The Babel fish is small, yellow, leechlike, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feeds on brainwave energy received not from its own carrier but from those around it. It absorbs all unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. It then excretes into the mind of its carrier a telepathic matrix formed by combining the conscious thought frequencies with nerve signals picked up from the speech centers of the brain which has supplied them. The practical upshot of all this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language. The speech patterns you actually hear decode the brainwave matrix which has been fed into your mind by your Babel fish.

Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the NON-existence of God.
The argument goes like this:

I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.’

But,' says Man, The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn’t it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don’t. QED.’

Oh dear,' says God, I hadn’t thought of that,’ and promptly disappears in a puff of logic.

`Oh, that was easy,’ says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo’s kidneys, but that didn’t stop Oolon Colluphid making a small fortune when he used it as the central theme of his best-selling book, “Well, That about Wraps It Up for God.”

Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation.

Probably one of the most classic monologues written on the subject of faith.

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[quote]ukrainian wrote:

[quote]Nancy Boy wrote:

[quote]ukrainian wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]smithers584 wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]ladieslove wrote:
all sins are equal in the eyes of god[/quote]

So a child molester and a pickpocket approach the pearly gates[/quote]

I think maybe more so than saying “all sins are equal in the eyes of God”, its more like “all sins have an equal chance of being forgiven in the eyes of God”.

[/quote]

The point is the same. They are still equal in whatever fantasy world this “equality of sins” concept comes from. Sins are not all equal, and to say otherwise is just retarded.[/quote]

I agree with this. The whole equality of sins was probably just conceived by the Church because they wanted to make more money of the common folk. The Church of the Medieval times was way too corrupt. [/quote]

You have this completely backwards. The New Testament teaches the equality of sins. Penance and indulgences were invented later. This latter idea necessitates gradations of sin and is completely against the Biblical conception of sin and salvation.[/quote]

The New Testament as we know it now. Who says it hasn’t been tampered with?[/quote]

EXACTLY. People think things are corrupt with politics and religion these days? People were getting their heads chopped off right and left and the New Testament was never changed hmm, yea right…

The other thing thats funny to me? Ok so over the years you have worship of all these different gods and goddesses. Zeus, Apollo, Mayan god Chac, Iroquois Deohako, etc… I mean there are probably thousands. Everyone thought they had it figured out. They didn’t. Now we know who the real god is, all those ones before, they just didn’t know what they were doing. This is the real thing.

The problem now, is that we have so much knowledge, its virtually impossible for a religion to spring up and grab good chunk of the population. Why? With the most widely practiced religions, they all arose long enough ago where we will never be able to get a definitive bead on what the fuck actually happened, which is important when you creating a fairy tale.

So the current religions are grandfathered in to a certain extent because back that long ago, anything could have really happened and we will never know. And I’m not an atheist, but I refuse to believe that people back that long ago could reliably bring a bunch of documents with a combined 774,746 words (Old and New Testament) 2,000 years into the future with every word intact.

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[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]ladieslove wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]ladieslove wrote:

[quote]Nancy Boy wrote:

[quote]ladieslove wrote:
shadowzz… it’s not convenient to be a christian.

[/quote]
Christianity seems like the easiest of the religions. There aren’t any difficult rules or rituals to follow. And, even if you do fuck up, Jesus can magically wipe it away. Buddhists and Hindus sometimes need to work for several lifetimes to achieve their goal, while Christians automatically achieve their goal by faith in Jesus. Religion can’t get much more convinient or easy than that.[/quote]

i understand what you’re saying.

What i mean is, as a Christian, i’m judged pretty harshly by people around me. I can’t say, “I’m a Christian” without someone reaming me out for hating gays or whatever. Most people don’t know enough about Christianity.

i may be a Christian… but i’m also an awesome person… mega awesome in fact.

i don’t push my religion on anyone, i believe what i want and i expect people to let me.
[/quote]

Boo hoo?

Maybe (and this is a pretty big maybe) you should be a lot more careful with who you associate with. I don’t know many people that “ream” individuals for hating gays without that person having said something to give the impression of homophobia in the first place.[/quote]

maybe i should be careful who i associate with? dude. give me a break. you’re starting to sound like every other d bag on this site.

i’m not crying about SHIT. all i’m saying is, being a Christian is NOT convenient. that’s all i’m saying.

you know whats convenient? not believing in anything.
[/quote]

This is so true. People nowadays want everything for nothing, with the least amount of effort. Being a good member of any religion takes WORK and DEDICATION, some things this world is fast losing the meaning of.
[/quote]

Your right it does take effort. Not saying it does. It also takes a ton of looking the other way in that you have to basically turn off your bullshitometer when dealing with church. Just because you actually think things out for yourself doesn’t mean your a bad person. Also, being afraid of not making it into heaven isn’t a good reason to go to church. Thats a cornerstone of what the church has used to instill fear in people for thousands of years. But you know what? They were saying the same thing thousands of years ago when the greeks were worshipping Dionysus during their wine rituals. I don’t hate on people who are religious, I do like to discuss it intelligently though.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

I dont believe in karma, or even god for that matter. I think often times people are relating things that happen and calling it “karma” or “God’s work”. Cause you know there is such thing as a coincidence, luck, probability etc. and when these things happen people want to put a label on it, god/karma, but i just call it chance.

For all those people who should’ve died for some reason, but didnt by “some wonderful act of god”, there are 5 other people dieing, did “god” forget about them? Nope, its just probability, some get lucky, most don’t. And further more, for those people who did* die, “it was their time” and “god decided to call them up to heaven”. I say BULLSH*T, things do and dont happen everywhere everyday without god. But nonetheless, I do respect people’s beliefs and refuse to call people names and idiots etc. Just sharing the way i feel about “god”.

O, and back on the gay topic. I’ve been toying with the idea (in my mind) that gays can marry ONLY under the condition that they adopt, cause that is what marriage is for, rasing kids. [/quote]

Hmmm…interesting point. First off, not to be critical, but have you ever studied statistics and probability in depth, in college or something? I ask this because many people dont understand how to interpret statitics properly, and even less understand probability well.

I have studied probability and statics fairly in depth, and I can tell you some of the events that have occured in my life have such a low probability of occurrence that I would be scientifically crazy to believe it was “luck” vs. Divine Intervention (God). However, I dont need statistics because of my faith. You are right though, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, and we will never be able to prove God existance or lack there of in hard data.

For your 1 out of 6 people being saved theory, and God not caring about the other 5, did you ever consider maybe the other 5 did not believe in God? Maybe they were sinners who refused to ask for forgiveness? Its just as plausible as your saying it was just random. Again, nobody can ever prove one way or the other, because if they could, faith would become pointless.

Also, I find it a little strange that someone who does not believe in any kind of God saying that marriage is for having kids. If not for God, then why do you believe this is the case? How do you know marriage isnt just for pleasure, or life long companionship, or why do you believe in the concept of marriage period? I have been married almost 5 years now, no kids, does that make my marriage equivalent to that of a gay couple?

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[quote]ukrainian wrote:

Touch�?�©.

I do have nothing against Christianity and Catholicism as I am Catholic, but the Church and its leaders throughout history and nowadays have been quite suspect. I don’t trust it that much.[/quote]
Touche? As in “to touch”? What are you suggesting you sexy, Ukrainian bastard?
For Meridian…
my answer to OP… extinctions and homosexuality are natural occurrences. Do they take on some sort of added moral valence with the advent of modern humans? I dunno. I forgot what your other point was, but from your post I can tell that you don’t like black people. What’s up with that, Meridian?

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[quote]melanieamber12 wrote:
This picture is really just to show off because my wife and I are really hot.
However I will NOT comment or add to this discussion/debate.
I don’t want to make anyone feel any more ignorant than they already are.
THIS IS MY WIFE AND I.[/quote]
Bro, you’ve got the worst case of gyno I’ve ever seen. Lay off the roids for a while. Get yourself a SERM and a strong AI.

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[quote]Nancy Boy wrote:

[quote]melanieamber12 wrote:
This picture is really just to show off because my wife and I are really hot.
However I will NOT comment or add to this discussion/debate.
I don’t want to make anyone feel any more ignorant than they already are.
THIS IS MY WIFE AND I.[/quote]
Bro, you’ve got the worst case of gyno I’ve ever seen. Lay off the roids for a while. Get yourself a SERM and a strong AI.[/quote]

BAHAHAHHAHAA
Now that was the most comical thing to come out of this thread thus far!

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[quote]Nancy Boy wrote:

[quote]ukrainian wrote:

Touch�??�?�©.

I do have nothing against Christianity and Catholicism as I am Catholic, but the Church and its leaders throughout history and nowadays have been quite suspect. I don’t trust it that much.[/quote]
Touche? As in “to touch”? What are you suggesting you sexy, Ukrainian bastard?
For Meridian…
my answer to OP… extinctions and homosexuality are natural occurrences. Do they take on some sort of added moral valence with the advent of modern humans? I dunno. I forgot what your other point was, but from your post I can tell that you don’t like black people. What’s up with that, Meridian?[/quote]

I suppose extinctions do occur naturally, thats a good point, but I don’t think there is another animal on the planet that has come close to single handedly causing as many as humans. But I suppose theres always a double edged sword. We cause more extinctions, but we will probably wipe ourselves our sooner or later somehow and not make it very long in the big scheme of things.

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[quote]Nancy Boy wrote:

[quote]ukrainian wrote:

Touch�??�?�©.

I do have nothing against Christianity and Catholicism as I am Catholic, but the Church and its leaders throughout history and nowadays have been quite suspect. I don’t trust it that much.[/quote]
Touche? As in “to touch”? What are you suggesting you sexy, Ukrainian bastard?
[/quote]

Didn’t you know that we were fencing?

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[quote]ukrainian wrote:

[quote]Nancy Boy wrote:

[quote]ukrainian wrote:

Touch�??�??�?�©.

I do have nothing against Christianity and Catholicism as I am Catholic, but the Church and its leaders throughout history and nowadays have been quite suspect. I don’t trust it that much.[/quote]
Touche? As in “to touch”? What are you suggesting you sexy, Ukrainian bastard?
[/quote]

Didn’t you know that we were fencing?[/quote]

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[quote]ukrainian wrote:

[quote]Nancy Boy wrote:

[quote]ukrainian wrote:

Touch�??�??�?�©.

I do have nothing against Christianity and Catholicism as I am Catholic, but the Church and its leaders throughout history and nowadays have been quite suspect. I don’t trust it that much.[/quote]
Touche? As in “to touch”? What are you suggesting you sexy, Ukrainian bastard?
[/quote]

Didn’t you know that we were fencing?[/quote]
I should warn you that I am using an epee (I won’t bother to insert the accent marks,) also God is going to send you directly to Hell if you pick up that bar of soap. So, be like melanieamber12 and get yourself a good heterosexual breeding machine. It’s what Jesus wants.