Hey diamonddelts
I think you’re a moron ;D
[quote]kinein wrote:
Therefore it is not entirely inaccurate to state that one can develop one region of the [pectorals] more then another just by individual fiber recruitment that happens to be stimulated more then other fibers because of the strain, stimulation, and increased recruitment of aforementioned fibers.
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I actually believe what you’re saying is not possible since there’s only one insertion point on the tendon for both the pectoralis major and minor. So a decline press will stress all areas of the pec in the same way as an incline or flat for instance.
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
kinein wrote:
Misterhamper wrote:
You can NOT work differant parts of the pecs with differant exercises. It is ONE big muscle (with an extra small muscle near the clavicular), therefor benchpress make the pecs grow the exact same way as dips or flies. So just make your pecs bigger allover, because they NEED mass allover (just like the rest of your body) and you will probably be happy for them.
You’ve just declared war on half of the forum! o.O Let me go get my lawn chair and powerade cheat drink.
we had a 30 page thread on wannabebig on this. People were posting links to full studies, it really was a fascinating thread. In the end they showed that you could NOT target different portions of your pec, but different exercises could focus more on the pectorals themselves as opposed to recruiting more secondary and tertiary helpers. [/quote]
Can you please post a link to that 30 page thread?
[quote]CaV wrote:
AccipiterQ wrote:
kinein wrote:
Misterhamper wrote:
You can NOT work differant parts of the pecs with differant exercises. It is ONE big muscle (with an extra small muscle near the clavicular), therefor benchpress make the pecs grow the exact same way as dips or flies. So just make your pecs bigger allover, because they NEED mass allover (just like the rest of your body) and you will probably be happy for them.
You’ve just declared war on half of the forum! o.O Let me go get my lawn chair and powerade cheat drink.
we had a 30 page thread on wannabebig on this. People were posting links to full studies, it really was a fascinating thread. In the end they showed that you could NOT target different portions of your pec, but different exercises could focus more on the pectorals themselves as opposed to recruiting more secondary and tertiary helpers.
Can you please post a link to that 30 page thread?
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I’m trying to find it. I’m currently banned from the site so it’s a little difficult.
the best way to make your chest bigger is by taking copious amounts of steroids and not lifting.
trust me, i could be a doctor.
What a load of bullcrap…try actually lifting with some bodybuilders or observe them working out once in a while?
Bench to neck (on the smith for obvious reasons), incline work with DBs etc have been known to work as far as improving development in the clavicular portion over time, and dips are good for improving the sternal portion (relative). These have been used for years by bodybuilders to even out their muscle developmnent and suddenly an article on wannabebig (whatever that is) seems to have wiped out everyone’s memory. IN fact you can also prioritize your “inner” and “outer” pecs to SOME extent, provided you have enough base mass on the pectoral muscle to begin with.
Go do a flat DB press and “squeeze” the DBs together end to end as you press the bells for reps, and you’ll feel the stress MORE in your top outer portion (near anterior delt tie-in) and now “squeeze” the bells together with palms facing each other (that is, the DB handles re parallel to each other) and press for reps and you’ll find more stress in the “inner portion” of the pec muscle. Try it. OF course, cable crossovers IN ADDITION TO pressing movements will be an invaluable addition as far as “inner chest” is concerned, or is that not fashionable to do any more?
Finally, if you want to develop the “upper” pec visibility, do some pec minor work (like pullovers with elbows near the body - not flared) and you will see an improvement.
NOW HERE IS THE PROBLEM -
Most people overestimate the amount of improvement they can make with such tweaks while some others assume they make NO difference. There is a happy medium in this discussion.
I’m out, toodle-oo.
A sensible post. Kudos.
[quote]UkpairehMombooto wrote:
What a load of bullcrap…try actually lifting with some bodybuilders or observe them working out once in a while?
Bench to neck (on the smith for obvious reasons), incline work with DBs etc have been known to work as far as improving development in the clavicular portion over time, and dips are good for improving the sternal portion (relative). These have been used for years by bodybuilders to even out their muscle developmnent and suddenly an article on wannabebig (whatever that is) seems to have wiped out everyone’s memory. IN fact you can also prioritize your “inner” and “outer” pecs to SOME extent, provided you have enough base mass on the pectoral muscle to begin with.
Go do a flat DB press and “squeeze” the DBs together end to end as you press the bells for reps, and you’ll feel the stress MORE in your top outer portion (near anterior delt tie-in) and now “squeeze” the bells together with palms facing each other (that is, the DB handles re parallel to each other) and press for reps and you’ll find more stress in the “inner portion” of the pec muscle. Try it. OF course, cable crossovers IN ADDITION TO pressing movements will be an invaluable addition as far as “inner chest” is concerned, or is that not fashionable to do any more?
Finally, if you want to develop the “upper” pec visibility, do some pec minor work (like pullovers with elbows near the body - not flared) and you will see an improvement.
NOW HERE IS THE PROBLEM -
Most people overestimate the amount of improvement they can make with such tweaks while some others assume they make NO difference. There is a happy medium in this discussion.
I’m out, toodle-oo. [/quote]
I don’t even know why were’re arguing about this.
The real question is, what portion of your chest does a cock push-up work?
o, a cock push-up? It’s when you fuckin’ lay down flat on the ground and let your boner lift you up off the ground.
[quote]Blongo wrote:
Hey diamonddelts
I think you’re a moron ;D[/quote]
lol blow me b ri
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
kinein wrote:
Therefore it is not entirely inaccurate to state that one can develop one region of the [pectorals] more then another just by individual fiber recruitment that happens to be stimulated more then other fibers because of the strain, stimulation, and increased recruitment of aforementioned fibers.
I actually believe what you’re saying is not possible since there’s only one insertion point on the tendon for both the pectoralis major and minor. So a decline press will stress all areas of the pec in the same way as an incline or flat for instance.
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This is not true. You have no idea what you are talking about. What is true is that when your pec contracts against resistance, it does it as a whole muscle.
HOWEVER. There are numerous different insertions.
It arises from the anterior surface of the sternal half of the clavicle; from breadth of the half of the anterior surface of the sternum, as low down as the attachment of the cartilage of the sixth or seventh rib; from the cartilages of all the true ribs, with the exception, frequently, of the first or seventh and from the aponeurosis of the abdominal external oblique muscle.
If what you are saying is true than from a bodybuilding standpoint there would be no reason to do incline presses of any kind. Also doing deep squats are not necessary since the quad contracts just doing a 1/8 squat, so it is unecessary to go deeper to build the VMO.
Thanks for the input, Im sure everyone learned alot.
Listen it doesnt matter what dogshit study you found or who was talking about what. Are you going to wait around for the retards that conducted the study to say hmm we forgot to carry that 3, it seems incline presses hit the upper chest much harder than regular presses?
Think for yourself moron. Use some common sense.
[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
ZeusNathan wrote:
the rock had lil bitch tits when he first started. i believe it was a series of power cleans jerks and push presses that worked for him. i doubt it’ll do much for you but go for it.
Alot of misinformation being passed around. First I hope you are joking Zeus. It is pretty simple. If you are trying to target a certain muscle group you want to be stretching the fibers that correspond with the area you are trying to hit. Therefore overhead pressing and cleans and shit are not going to target the lower pecs you can be sure of that much.
Additionally, I beleive the rock had liposuction on his chest to remove that fat.
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not at all. i wish i could provide a source but i just remember seeing a special on it a couple of years ago. saw it right around when rocky miavia became THE rock. it was a vid of himself and the coach showing some o lifts. rock even did an interview of how embarrassed he was of his bitch tits. and apparently it was the o lifts that did it for him.
Hate to break it to all the skeptics but there is not flat, it is round and yes you can target certain parts of the muscle.
Poliquin has discussed this, Gironda, many others.
Our very own Christian Thib also has an article series on this very site discussing it. But hey…what does he know?
AFAIK Gironda preferred the pectoral muscles to be “flat” like a gladiator’s shield. He swore by weighted dips as the best exercise to that effect.
[quote]greekdawg wrote:
Hate to break it to all the skeptics but there is not flat, it is round and yes you can target certain parts of the muscle.
Poliquin has discussed this, Gironda, many others.
Our very own Christian Thib also has an article series on this very site discussing it. But hey…what does he know?[/quote]
You’re talking about the wide Gironda dip. Yes, in fact that hits the bottom and outside (width) part very well.
Anyone who wants to dispute that, if they have never done them I suggest they try them and watch the localized soreness in the bottom and outer part of the chest. The soreness in those specific areas will be unreal.
You need to set them up wide though with a v-bar, a regular parallel dip stand won’t work.
[quote]UkpairehMombooto wrote:
AFAIK Gironda preferred the pectoral muscles to be “flat” like a gladiator’s shield. He swore by weighted dips as the best exercise to that effect.
greekdawg wrote:
Hate to break it to all the skeptics but there is not flat, it is round and yes you can target certain parts of the muscle.
Poliquin has discussed this, Gironda, many others.
Our very own Christian Thib also has an article series on this very site discussing it. But hey…what does he know?
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Here we go again.
Generations of bodybuilders with trillions of hours under the weight and mountains of muscle built, but some eggheads do a study and decades of proven results go out the window.
I do not do dozens of precisely engineered movements for chest so as to hit every region separately, but anybody who thinks different angles do not lay a preponderance of the tension for that set on different parts of the upper body push group, including the pecs, should quit now before they hurt themselves.
[quote]ZeusNathan wrote:
Shadowzz4 wrote:
ZeusNathan wrote:
the rock had lil bitch tits when he first started. i believe it was a series of power cleans jerks and push presses that worked for him. i doubt it’ll do much for you but go for it.
Alot of misinformation being passed around. First I hope you are joking Zeus. It is pretty simple. If you are trying to target a certain muscle group you want to be stretching the fibers that correspond with the area you are trying to hit. Therefore overhead pressing and cleans and shit are not going to target the lower pecs you can be sure of that much.
Additionally, I beleive the rock had liposuction on his chest to remove that fat.
not at all. i wish i could provide a source but i just remember seeing a special on it a couple of years ago. saw it right around when rocky miavia became THE rock. it was a vid of himself and the coach showing some o lifts. rock even did an interview of how embarrassed he was of his bitch tits. and apparently it was the o lifts that did it for him.
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I hope you are kidding, but Im afraid your not. Ok so The Rock had bitch tits and he did Olympic Lifts to get rid of them. Is that the best you can come up with? Even if you did see it somewhere you should be smart enough to know that wouldnt work. I could just as easily say The Rock wanted to get rid of his bitch tits so he made sure to jerk off every day, apparently that is what did it for him.
If you want to work your bottom pecs, then do Dips. It doesn’t even matter if you can work the bottom pecs. If you’re doing heavy weighted dips, everything will be fine.
Everyone should shut up and just lift
[quote]Blongo wrote:
Hey diamonddelts
I think you’re a moron ;D[/quote]
hahahahaha