[quote]Iron-Head10 wrote:
Well if he did it really fast. Wouldnt it work your grip real good? Maybe even get you a lil winded if you didnt do cario. idk This is an interesting theory. More reps…hmmmm. :D[/quote]
Maybe? And only if you dont do cardio? I hope this is sarcasm, I cant tell. 30 reps of deads with anything approaching challenging weight is gut-bustingly hard and will leave anyone lying on the floor in a pool of sweat gasping for breath. I’d wager heavily that not one of these guys who responded “why?” or “that’s stupid” coudl pull 315 for 30 in a row. I sure as heck couldnt
The guy did 30 reps, it wasn’t easy, and all you can do is try and make him look stupid for doing it. The guys who do 5 reps week in week out are the ones who are never going to get anywhere.
315 x 30… dont even say that aint going to be hard.
I watched Dave Tate do a 30 rep set of Safety Bar Box Squats with 335lbs at the end of a brutal Squat day.
There were a lot of big guys in the room, and no one told him he was stupid for doing high rep anything. It was an overload technique specifically designed to trash his lower back.
I know Squat isn’t Deadlift, but it’s just an example. Is your form going to break down with 30 reps? Yes, most likely. But the OP says he isn’t training to failure, so maybe his form is solid. Regardless, this is probably going to lead to some serious back growth.
Would I train 30 rep Deadlifts on a regular basis? No, most definitely not…I’m not that fond of puking.
With a 650 pull I would think doing 315x30 should be relatively easy for you, but as you said you are working into it. I think you should definitely be able to get 40 or 50 reps with that weight given your strength. Good luck with it, get the video when you rock 40+.
To the OP - interesting challenge you have set for yourself. I hope it goes well!
Most of the people on this site are pretty awful but they reflect what I see in the gym - 75% are bitter and not worth listening to, 20% know what they are doing, keep to themselves and don’t throw shit and 5% are encouraging and like talking about the wrenches that get thrown into the traditional view of how the body works.
While 40 reps of 315 may not seem like the best way to reach new PRs with deads, they are the surest way to make training really heavy a little less mentally taxing. Plus, it’s 12600 lbs of work. That will force adaptation.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
I’m looking forward to the video. I want to see 40 reps.
By the way, is this sumo or conventional? My hips would cramp somethin fierce if it were sumo.[/quote]
It’s conventional, I’ve never tried sumo. I started warming up for it yesterday but I could tell my back was fried so I scrapped it. I’ll give it a go tonight. If I hit 35 I’ll go for 40.
[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:
With a 650 pull I would think doing 315x30 should be relatively easy for you, but as you said you are working into it. I think you should definitely be able to get 40 or 50 reps with that weight given your strength. Good luck with it, get the video when you rock 40+. [/quote]
Typically 315 x 30 reps is not that hard. But, I’ll shut it down if I feel “off” usually around 20 reps I know if I’ll get much past 30 reps. Is physiomentology a word? Even though I have pulled higher reps with 315lbs in the past some days it just ain’t happenin’.
On bench, I’ve tried to go for reps at 225lbs in the recent past and have failed miserably even though my strength is ok and I should have probably hit 30 reps on that but 20 was definitely my top end on that day. Odd how the body works, or doesn’t, sometimes.
Has anyone on here done a set of 40 or 50 consecutive reps with roughly 50% of there deadlift max? I’d be curious to know.
Edit: Tim, I notice that you are a solid deadlifter, have you done any high rep stuff?
Edit: Tim, I notice that you are a solid deadlifter, have you done any high rep stuff?[/quote]
I’ve never done high rep stuff in the range that you are talking about. I did 405x20 with a very slight pause on each rep (no straps) at the end of a local strongman competition, I probably could have done 25 or maybe 30 if there was a gun to my head but 20 won it and as it was I felt relatively sick for the rest of the day. I did 510x8 standing on aerobics step a couple of years ago, that was pretty hard.
I can’t remember when I have gone over 20 reps on deads. I think I could do 350x30-40 probably right now although I would probably make myself sick for the rest of the day. I believe there is a youtube video of some guy doing 225x70 or 80, can’t really remember but he was just repping it out slow and steady and he wasn’t that big. You’re goal of 500x20 is studly, I would like to do that myself, don’t think I could do it at the moment.
I am also practicing pausing longer on the ground, with the high rep stuff you definitely want to go just touch and go or you will get fatigued early. I do high rep stuff on squats and deads rarely because when I really try at it I am spent for a long time. Also I don’t think it is as useful as you get more advanced. My 02 cents.
Do you still pull 700+? I’ve found that when training with more heavy singles I can do higher reps with heavier weight than if I am using only high reps. I would agree that high reps don’t do much for a person attempting a higher max after a certain point. My right hand got a little damaged one day while pulling a max single so I really needed to drop the bar weight if I wanted to keep pulling.
It feels better now and I will move on to heavier stuff once I hit the 40 reps. I gave it a good effort tonight but I had a wardrobe malfunction with the snap on my shorts at rep 27 that would not show well on the internet. I did a few more reps but I had to pull my shorts back up.
I hope to move on soon, but I opened my mouth about the high reps so I gotta do it now.
Bluejay - I did that 700 at the end of 2003 in a suit (Marathon). I attempted 711 in 2004 but could not lock it out. I then took 2 years off from PLing to do arm wrestling and other types of training, also my knees were bothering me. I am now back to full training for PL although I only compete raw now. My goal is to do 700 lb raw but I am a little farther away than I would like to be at this point, but hopefully in '09 or '10 that will happen. So the short answer is no, I can’t do 700 right now (at least not raw) but hopefully that is not too far in the future.
[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:
Bluejay - I did that 700 at the end of 2003 in a suit (Marathon). I attempted 711 in 2004 but could not lock it out. I then took 2 years off from PLing to do arm wrestling and other types of training, also my knees were bothering me. I am now back to full training for PL although I only compete raw now. My goal is to do 700 lb raw but I am a little farther away than I would like to be at this point, but hopefully in '09 or '10 that will happen. So the short answer is no, I can’t do 700 right now (at least not raw) but hopefully that is not too far in the future.[/quote]
Do you still compete at 198 or plan to? Are you approaching your training for a raw 700 differently than your previous 700? For me, pulling singles with chains, from the floor does a lot for my max. I have also read and seen a few variations of interest that I am going to add to my heavy training well (low rack pulls being one). If I am to hit 700 in the next year it will have to be by mid-january. Baby number two is on the way, no sleep = no strength for me, coffee only helps to a certain degree.
Bluejay - I compete at 198 and 220, currently am at 220 trying to get my bench up. Right now I am focusing on absolute strength, but I am most competitive at 198 or even 181 when I was in college.
Don’t give up on the lifting just b/c of the kids (I have 2 under 2). Good luck with it. I hope you rock out 700 the day after I do
