[quote]Mike__Madden wrote:
I know intermediate goals are important and have some set. I do eat a lot but there’s always room for more. My acupuncturist says it’s a herniated disc but I’m feeling like 70% better in terms of the sciatic pain ( no back pain ) Just for the sake of the size questions, I get kids my age honestly are small especially nowadays but I’m 6’0 235lbs and for that big my numbers are really unimpressive.
It’s easy to say that I’m cocky and arrogant coming on here saying I want to press 450lbs but goals are goals. When I’m a little older I want to have a huge total ( squat/bench/dead/push press ) so I got my work cut out for me. Would you guys recommend the 5/3/1 ? Since my numbers all across the board aren’t very impressive will that help boost all 4 lifts instead of a program that only boosts one? [/quote]
Jesus Fucking Christ. You’re trusting the word of some goddamn mystic practitioner of Eastern medicine without even seeing so much as an x-ray?
Let me explain what an acupuncturist does: they redirect your pain by causing pain all over the rest of your body. All these minor pains then cause your brain to signal a release of its own natural painkiller. Now, this can be a valid way of facilitating healing, but an acupuncturist knows fuck all about anatomy or anything other than how to effectively stab you.
Get it checked out by somebody relevant. And like I said, who gives a shit if you herniated a disc anyway? It probably won’t limit you down the road if you are even moderately smart about treating it now.
[quote]Mike__Madden wrote:
Would you guys recommend the 5/3/1 ? [/quote]
531 has taken my OHP from a 1RM of about 170 pounds to around 290 in right about 3.5 years. It is literally the only program I have ever followed for OHP.
This thread makes me lose hope. What exactly does it accomplish to shit all over somebody like that?
Huge goals are awesome and I’m glad to see more people who dream big and hopefully achieve big 20 or 30 years down the road.
OP, I can’t give you any direct advice since I’m not particularly strong myself yet, but I do have similar level goals and I can tell you one thing. Make this your entire life. Order EVERYTHING around getting your goals. Sleep, food, never missing a day in the gym, don’t get injured doing something stupid outside the gym, etc. If you don’t want it that bad, then you won’t achieve it.
You have huge goals and there aren’t many people here who understand that or can help you find out how to get to them.
If I were you, I would check out the history of the people who gave you advice and see which ones are strong and reasonably intelligent I think there’s some very good advice in this thread if you can sort through all the toxic shit. Speaking of which, I wish Barge posted here more often…
I would also look up Josh Bryant, read his stuff, buy one of his ebooks (you can ask him questions on elitefts Q/A also) if you have the money pay for him to train you which would eliminate all the time you spend now messing around trying to find the perfect program and switching things around etc. If you can settle into some program relatively smart, eat like an animal and go fucking insane doing everything you can to push progress as hard as possible (within the confines of whatever program you’re doing) and keep that up consistently you’ll be on the right track. CONSISTENCY is KING.
[quote]Mike__Madden wrote:
Would you guys recommend the 5/3/1 ? [/quote]
531 has taken my OHP from a 1RM of about 170 pounds to around 290 in right about 3.5 years. It is literally the only program I have ever followed for OHP.[/quote]
Damn, funny that you posted that because I was thinking about 5/3/1 or Westside I wasn’t sure but sounds like I’m goin with 5/3/1
[quote]strongmanvinny wrote:
A 450lb strict press you say? I hope you plan on holding the raw bench world record too![/quote]
push press, and sure why the hell not? I don’t want the raw bench record, I want a huge raw total. Jokes aside from the bench world record, what do you think is better? 5/3/1 or Westside. West doesn’t have push press though so that’s a problem
you are a very nice bunch of guys, some great advice
as someone who slump pressed, and always regarded myself as not kicking too much I pressed 187 when I militaried 150 (weighed 158 at 17). I don’t think anyone has ever militaried 500, all those guys were close but think they were in the 450-475 range, and that is even with lots of layback. Most of those guys pressed nearly as much as they jerked, because of their kick. Cole actually did military 440 in comp and his problem was cleaning, not sure the above could have done better, again you guys are patient and tolerant, great to see
[quote]Terry Gibbs wrote:
I don’t think anyone has ever militaried 500, all those guys were close but think they were in the 450-475 range, and that is even with lots of layback. [/quote]
[quote]Terry Gibbs wrote:
I don’t think anyone has ever militaried 500, all those guys were close but think they were in the 450-475 range, and that is even with lots of layback. [/quote]
[quote]Terry Gibbs wrote:
that very small “slump” he uses, if done right gives you about 10% + on your press, reason why the press got voted out, more because of the drive
some of them got that good at it they often pressed more than they jerked[/quote]
To me, it seems like you could make the same argument about leg drive and arching for the bench press. I don’t know how much, but I know that if I don’t get into a big arch or tight lower back and just retract my scapulae and don’t drive with my legs my bench press goes down a good bit.
that leg drive is what drove press records in the late 60s early 70s and lead to its demise
in 1968 Bednarski pressed 457 for a WR/ The snatch WR at the time was 388 and the C & J around 496
4 years later the press had gone up over 60lbs the C & J around 30 and the snatch around 20. Held true for all divisons.
In the early 60s guys were failed for too much backbend, that got worse but that drive is what drove the records
back then we all knew what a miltary press was, not sure that stands today, popular definitions change especially with no judging around to enforce arbitary rules
you are a very nice bunch of guys, some great advice
as someone who slump pressed, and always regarded myself as not kicking too much I pressed 187 when I militaried 150 (weighed 158 at 17). I don’t think anyone has ever militaried 500, all those guys were close but think they were in the 450-475 range, and that is even with lots of layback. Most of those guys pressed nearly as much as they jerked, because of their kick. Cole actually did military 440 in comp and his problem was cleaning, not sure the above could have done better, again you guys are patient and tolerant, great to see[/quote]
Yes very true. I have actually been trying to figure out how to do that slump myself. I was fascinated that these guys were doing the press with pretty much the same weight they were using on the jerk.
[quote]strongmanvinny wrote:
A 450lb strict press you say? I hope you plan on holding the raw bench world record too![/quote]
push press, and sure why the hell not? I don’t want the raw bench record, I want a huge raw total. Jokes aside from the bench world record, what do you think is better? 5/3/1 or Westside. West doesn’t have push press though so that’s a problem
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Have you even researched the Conjugate System…? Considering you just made this statement I am almost 1000% sure young have not. Westside or the Conjugate System is a system revolving around variety of special movements in order to bring up your desired movement. Westside does not advocate the use of a Push Press because it has very little carry over to the Bench Press other than helping with some Triceps overload… however there are much more effective ME big compound lifts that have much more carry over for the Bench so that is why they don’t use the Push Press.
If the Push Press is your main focus and you want to follow the Westside or Conjugate System to bring up you could easily set it up effectively as myself and many others have done as well.
Day 1- ME Press
Push Press/ Floor Press/ Strict Press/ Incline Press work up to a 3-5rm in one of the exercises.
3-4 assistance moves focusing on vertical pulling, Triceps, Shoulders, and Biceps occasionly.
Day 2- ME Squat just follow normal layout. Plus horizontal Row
Day 3- DE/ Technique Push Press
Push Press: 6-8 sets of 3 with 60-70% 1rm use bands occasionally and keep rest short.
3-4 same as above
Day 4- DE Squat Same as normal layout plus horizontal pull.
How ever considering you seem to not know much about how the conjugate system works and are still in the beginners phase 5/3/1 would serve you well for now. Also would give you time to figure out what’s going to work best for you.
[quote]strongmanvinny wrote:
A 450lb strict press you say? I hope you plan on holding the raw bench world record too![/quote]
push press, and sure why the hell not? I don’t want the raw bench record, I want a huge raw total. Jokes aside from the bench world record, what do you think is better? 5/3/1 or Westside. West doesn’t have push press though so that’s a problem
[/quote]
Have you even researched the Conjugate System…? Considering you just made this statement I am almost 1000% sure young have not. Westside or the Conjugate System is a system revolving around variety of special movements in order to bring up your desired movement. Westside does not advocate the use of a Push Press because it has very little carry over to the Bench Press other than helping with some Triceps overload… however there are much more effective ME big compound lifts that have much more carry over for the Bench so that is why they don’t use the Push Press.
If the Push Press is your main focus and you want to follow the Westside or Conjugate System to bring up you could easily set it up effectively as myself and many others have done as well.
Day 1- ME Press
Push Press/ Floor Press/ Strict Press/ Incline Press work up to a 3-5rm in one of the exercises.
3-4 assistance moves focusing on vertical pulling, Triceps, Shoulders, and Biceps occasionly.
Day 2- ME Squat just follow normal layout. Plus horizontal Row
Day 3- DE/ Technique Push Press
Push Press: 6-8 sets of 3 with 60-70% 1rm use bands occasionally and keep rest short.
3-4 same as above
Day 4- DE Squat Same as normal layout plus horizontal pull.
How ever considering you seem to not know much about how the conjugate system works and are still in the beginners phase 5/3/1 would serve you well for now. Also would give you time to figure out what’s going to work best for you.[/quote]
I’ve never fully looked over the conjugate but damn that sounds like a good one. I’ll keep that in mind later down the road, thanks for posting that
May even want to sub front squats for back squats since the leg drive on a push press is more simiilar to that movement. You’ll also get more a benefit for the core and upper back. Actually looks like a fun way to train. Don’t forget z presses and presses from pins for that example lay out. Just depends on your weaknesses in the movement and your muscles.
What exactly does it accomplish to shit all over somebody like that?
I think there’s some very good advice in this thread if you can sort through all the toxic shit. Speaking of which, I wish Barge posted here more often…
