[quote]atypical1 wrote:
It’s not going to happen. Just because you see some youtube videos of the strongest guys out there doing it doesn’t mean that it’s possible for you to do.
First, you’ve got an injured back. That alone is a show stopper for you.
Second, you’re struggling with 185 and asking people on an internet forum for help. You’re not even halfway there. Are you even at BW? What do you weigh right now?
Third, you’re not an elite athlete. These vids aren’t just joe schmoe pressing that much weight. Fucking Klokov had a lift named after him if that gives you an indicator of the caliber of talent.
My advice is to set some reasonable goals and move forward from there. 400 or 500 lbs isn’t even in the same universe as realistic.
james[/quote]
Maybe he wont, why not try? Sorry just kind of sad grown men putting down a 16 year old. Theres time to be hard on someone, i dont believe it helps destroying a young mans confidence. Yes tell him its an insane goal(it is). But i am sure a few of those guys were told they would never reach x amount of weight. /SmallRant
I would be very bloody surprised if the blokes who has strict pressed/push pressed 500lbs, werent freaks at 16 and that doing something ridiculous like that wouldn’t have seen so crazy.
Check the teen powerlifting thread, or the under 200lb thread, there are some crazy banana lifts going on at 16 these days/past.
The fact of the matter is you should absolutely shoot for whatever goal you want to but to say your gonna OH press 450-500 when you haven’t hit 200 is almost irresponsible and is not giving proper credence to what OH pressing 450-500 really is, which is highly unlikely…but fuck it and go for it, but attainable near future goals leading up to the ultimate goal is probably the best path followed.
1.Fix your back and stop saying you have a herniated disc if you don’t have a herniated disk. If your not sure find out.
Why are were you worried last week about benching frequency aweek if 400+ OHP is your goal… maybe you don’t know your goal.
Eat lots of food chances are to have even a 450lbs Push Press chances your gonna need to be atleast in the upper 200’s. Notice I said Press and not a Jerk.
Study everything you possibly can about OH lifts. You have to attack it just like a powerlifter attacks his bench. Even your leg movements should be geared toward helping you get even more out of your leg drive, OH and core stability for the longest I couldn’t finish a 300lbs Push Press because I just couldn’t stay stabile once I was locked, Hammer Triceps with every thing you have.
Do all of this for more than a couple years and possibly most likely add in some cycles of relatively high Anabolic drugs and you just might have it.
Like many others here have said, good on you for having goals, but what are you going to do to reach them?
A 450-500lbs press is insane and is something that will take years to reach. What is your training plan to reach those goals? I’m just asking because during this thread you’ve talked about running Smolov and have apparently started other threads asking about getting a bigger back and bench. I would imagine that in order to reach an elite level of OHP you’d want a program that focuses on the OHP. Look at some of the elite benchers in the world, their training reflects their goals, which is to improve their bench.
Honestly, you’re better off training to improve your overall strength first. You’re not gonna be able to press 300+ pounds over your head if your low back and posterior chain are weak. Hell, you probably won’t even be able to unrack it with a weak core and legs.
Another tip is to keep your overall goal in mind but set smaller goals first and shoot for those. If you’re struggling with 185 set a goal of hitting that easily first, then move on to 200 then 225 etc. Who knows, along the way you may come to realize that OHP is really not your thing after all.
That’s what happened to me, I originally wanted to hit 225 for reps but by the time I reached 200 I’d had enough and called it good. The aggravation on my shoulders and elbows had just become too much to make it worth going on. Sometimes, exercises just don’t work for people.
Setting aside the hilarious drama for a second, let me ask you this:
Who told you you have a herniated disc? Was it your acupuncturist? I’m choosing to interpret your statements that way because it amuses me, but if it’s true, I think you need someone to slap some sense into you.
A herniated disc won’t slow you down at all in the long run anyway, and I’d wager that the majority of powerlifters who’ve been in the game 10+ years have it to some degree. I herniated mine at 16 and it isn’t in any way something that slows me down now at 27.
Also, I’m not going to shit on your goals. They’re ridiculous, but that’s not a bad thing. As long as you have numerous goals along the way (like 200, then 250, 275, etc), I’m OK with the ridiculous endgame. But for fuck’s sake, be realistic about what it’s going to take to get there. You damn well better start eating like a 250-lber now in the hopes that one day you’ll be that size, because there’s no way in hell an average sub-200 guy will ever strict OHP 400.
OP, I think the best advice you’ve received on this forum is as follows:
Get your back situation ABSOLUTELY straight first. No guessing. No maybes.
You will need a HIGH LEVEL coach. Not necessarily today, but it wouldn’t hurt to be sooner rather than later.
Never be the strongest guy in your gym. Your better off going to a gym where you’re the weakest.
Steroids will be necessary at some point, but that point is years away, so no need to worry about it now.
Eat like it’s your job.
Set short term, intermediate goals. Any good coach will tell you this. In fact, any good coach will tell you everything else on this list. Which is why step 2 is such a good idea
Good luck, would love to see you posting some monster weights on here in the future!
actually, some really good advice here, I always think my OHP form is great until I up the weight by 5 lbs and feel like my body is deflating under the bar
I feel the need to chime in as someone with a similar push press goal.
Be healthy… stay healthy… enough said.
Steak is delicious so you should eat more of it anyway.
Keep your goals lofty but set intermediate goals to keep you motivated.
Your overhead press no matter how you get it up (push, jerk, strict) will always be limited by your ability to hold that weight at your shoulders and over your head. So keep your back and trunk strong (I hate the term core).
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
actually, some really good advice here, I always think my OHP form is great until I up the weight by 5 lbs and feel like my body is deflating under the bar[/quote]
Balls is always nice to… I kid. It is indeed easy to let your self ‘collapse’ under the weight if you take it out of the rack instead of clean it.
As for the op, rack work of various types (z press, presses from the rack at chin, and forehead level and maybe even high incline rack lockouts if it carries over) you need strong triceps and try to have both sides equally strong, along with a strong back and ‘abs’ front squat holds are a nice exercise, over head supports and ‘shrugs’ along with getting your legs very strong. A push jerk type form is also good for adding pounds to your push press (squat down some, drive up but still being on the floor and dipping a little bit and squatting back up).
[quote]sexyxe wrote:
I would be very bloody surprised if the blokes who has strict pressed/push pressed 500lbs, werent freaks at 16 and that doing something ridiculous like that wouldn’t have seen so crazy.
Check the teen powerlifting thread, or the under 200lb thread, there are some crazy banana lifts going on at 16 these days/past. [/quote]
That is what I was trying to say. I bet any 400lb+ presser could do 200lbs at 16 even if they had not been training that long.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
The fact of the matter is you should absolutely shoot for whatever goal you want to but to say your gonna OH press 450-500 when you haven’t hit 200 is almost irresponsible and is not giving proper credence to what OH pressing 450-500 really is, which is highly unlikely…but fuck it and go for it, but attainable near future goals leading up to the ultimate goal is probably the best path followed.[/quote]
Great post.
Also relevant to this thread:
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
Last but not least, eat. Eat a freaking ton. Your going to have to be a house to press big weights.[/quote]
FWIW, the OP is, if I remember, 6’ and a soft 230ish.
(Mike, I think you should mention this in future threads so people don’t think they’re talking to some 5’6" 140-pound knucklehead who saw the 1995 World’s Strongest Man rerun on ESPN and said “Boyohboy, I wanna do that.”)
(Mike, I think you should mention this in future threads so people don’t think they’re talking to some 5’6" 140-pound knucklehead who saw the 1995 World’s Strongest Man rerun on ESPN and said “Boyohboy, I wanna do that.”)[/quote]
I’d be more impressed with a 175 OHP if the kid WAS 5’6, 140lbs, 16 years old. That would be on the freakier side. That being said, I get what you’re saying. OP could certainly end up being 6’4 280 in a few years, so there’s potential for some real… bigness.
I know intermediate goals are important and have some set. I do eat a lot but there’s always room for more. My acupuncturist says it’s a herniated disc but I’m feeling like 70% better in terms of the sciatic pain ( no back pain ) Just for the sake of the size questions, I get kids my age honestly are small especially nowadays but I’m 6’0 235lbs and for that big my numbers are really unimpressive.
It’s easy to say that I’m cocky and arrogant coming on here saying I want to press 450lbs but goals are goals. When I’m a little older I want to have a huge total ( squat/bench/dead/push press ) so I got my work cut out for me. Would you guys recommend the 5/3/1 ? Since my numbers all across the board aren’t very impressive will that help boost all 4 lifts instead of a program that only boosts one?
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
The fact of the matter is you should absolutely shoot for whatever goal you want to but to say your gonna OH press 450-500 when you haven’t hit 200 is almost irresponsible and is not giving proper credence to what OH pressing 450-500 really is, which is highly unlikely…but fuck it and go for it, but attainable near future goals leading up to the ultimate goal is probably the best path followed. [/quote]
Matty said what I was trying to say in a more eloquent manner.
And I didn’t know you were 16 weighing in over 200. It’s still a matter of getting stronger and eating a ton. I don’t think program matters all that much as long as you have a plan and as long as you stick to that plan long enough for it to work. I’ve made gains using a variety of programs at one time or another.
Setting immediate and intermediate goals are critical. It’s nice to have lofty goals but what is going to take someone from 300 to 350 is different than what will take you from 165 to 225. Make sense?
