[quote]Der Candy wrote:
are you even jacked?[/quote]
double lol
I really enjoy the humor on this site but when I see people flaming others or posting impressive lifts and body weights without any profile pics I am starting to see the flaws in internet forums. Post a pic with your boast!
To the OP,
You’re gonna fuck yourself if you start sacrificing going heavy just to switch up your routine. Change your reps and some of your exercises.
[quote]bwhitwell wrote:
I really enjoy the humor on this site but when I see people flaming others or posting impressive lifts and body weights without any profile pics I am starting to see the flaws in internet forums. Post a pic with your boast![/quote]
hardly read this thread but wanted to say you are inspiring, you seem much heavier than 165lbs, bodybuilding is the art of illusion, however you are still a big fucker, muscle maturity is a cool thing! i should post more pics but at least it’s me in my avatar, your correct a lot of folks have much to say without pics to back up their expert “advices.”
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
10 reps is on the very edge of “moderate” reps. anything over 10 and you’re pretty much training for a pump. [/quote]
Here we have a man who has neve done 20 rep squats with any kind of frequency.
[quote]bwhitwell wrote:
I really enjoy the humor on this site but when I see people flaming others or posting impressive lifts and body weights without any profile pics I am starting to see the flaws in internet forums. Post a pic with your boast![/quote]
i never said i was jacked, and you look great, but straight sets are a rarity among people who got big.
[quote]RMorrison wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
10 reps is on the very edge of “moderate” reps. anything over 10 and you’re pretty much training for a pump.
Here we have a man who has neve done 20 rep squats with any kind of frequency.
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LOL i know you’re not talking to me
please please please say it aint so with your monkey-butt head
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
RMorrison wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
10 reps is on the very edge of “moderate” reps. anything over 10 and you’re pretty much training for a pump.
Here we have a man who has neve done 20 rep squats with any kind of frequency.
LOL i know you’re not talking to me
please please please say it aint so with your monkey-butt head
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Indeed I am talking to you. A statement filled with that much ignorance deserves adequate attention.
[quote]RMorrison wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
10 reps is on the very edge of “moderate” reps. anything over 10 and you’re pretty much training for a pump.
Here we have a man who has neve done 20 rep squats with any kind of frequency.
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Actually 20-rep quad exercises or widowmaker sets or whatever you like to call them are supposed to be done with a weight you can get for about 10 reps…maybe 12. And then taken all the way out to 20 through increased breathing between reps, etc.
There are a few exceptions but I actually agree with live on this for the most part. Light weight training is for pussies who can’t handle the hard work to push heavy weights. I don’t care how much it burns, sets of 15-20+ are way easier than sets of 6-10 (where your hitting failure on the last rep in either one). And I fully believe that you will stimulate faster strength and muscle gains through the heavier weights.
this is one funny thread.
[quote]tw0scoops2 wrote:
OP, you’re a pretty strong dude if you can lift that kinda weight @ that bodyweight. I’m a little confused how you got to lift that kinda weight without knowing how to break plateau’s…you musta hit them at some point or another.[/quote]
It is called being “retard strong”. Very common around here it seems.
[quote]mmllcc wrote:
tw0scoops2 wrote:
OP, you’re a pretty strong dude if you can lift that kinda weight @ that bodyweight. I’m a little confused how you got to lift that kinda weight without knowing how to break plateau’s…you musta hit them at some point or another.
It is called being “retard strong”. Very common around here it seems.[/quote]
It’s actually called “OP is a liar strong.” That’s pretty common as well.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
tw0scoops2 wrote:
OP, you’re a pretty strong dude if you can lift that kinda weight @ that bodyweight. I’m a little confused how you got to lift that kinda weight without knowing how to break plateau’s…you musta hit them at some point or another.
It is called being “retard strong”. Very common around here it seems.
It’s actually called “OP is a liar strong.” That’s pretty common as well.[/quote]
yeah thats quite common round these parts.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
tw0scoops2 wrote:
OP, you’re a pretty strong dude if you can lift that kinda weight @ that bodyweight. I’m a little confused how you got to lift that kinda weight without knowing how to break plateau’s…you musta hit them at some point or another.
It is called being “retard strong”. Very common around here it seems.
It’s actually called “OP is a liar strong.” That’s pretty common as well.
yeah thats quite common round these parts.[/quote]
So are the retards.
[quote]bwhitwell wrote:
After trying different rep schemes over the years I always seem to go back to mod weight for 10 reps with very short rest periords while concentrating on feeling the weight. I know that goes against the grain on this website but the weight I lift is not my primary concern. I still use a progressive increase in weights but not at the sacrafice of control or rest times. I am not trying to say that people that lift lower reps and heavier weight use sloppy form but that when I personnaly try to make an increase in weight my goal I seem to lose form and not get the results I am looking for. [/quote]
Even if you have differing opinions I firmly believe you should post more. (assuming you want to help people out.)
You’ve been doing this a long ass time, I can’t imagine you don’t have valuable information like the rest of the vets.
[quote]josh86 wrote:
RMorrison wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
10 reps is on the very edge of “moderate” reps. anything over 10 and you’re pretty much training for a pump.
Here we have a man who has neve done 20 rep squats with any kind of frequency.
Actually 20-rep quad exercises or widowmaker sets or whatever you like to call them are supposed to be done with a weight you can get for about 10 reps…maybe 12. And then taken all the way out to 20 through increased breathing between reps, etc.
There are a few exceptions but I actually agree with live on this for the most part. Light weight training is for pussies who can’t handle the hard work to push heavy weights. I don’t care how much it burns, sets of 15-20+ are way easier than sets of 6-10 (where your hitting failure on the last rep in either one). And I fully believe that you will stimulate faster strength and muscle gains through the heavier weights.[/quote]
I have always thought that was a stupid definition of the 20 rep squat. If you can do it for 20 reps, it is not your ten rep max by definition. Is there a required maximum number of breaths that would make something a 10 rep max vs. a 10 rep “widowmaker”.
While I fully agree with your last statement (“And I fully believe that you will stimulate faster strength and muscle gains through the heavier weights”), I will respectfully disagree that a set of 15-20 reps is “way easier” than a set of 6-10 where you are hitting failure on both. Take squats for example, I do a heavy set of 4-8 to failure, then a set of 20ish to failure. There is absolutely zero comparison as to which one is harder. The 20 rep is way fucking harder.
Saying strength and size gains are built from heavy weights is partially true, but the statement is incomplete. Gains come from progression. For example, say I am doing squats and I start off at 405 lbs, being able to do 5 reps. If I keep the weight at 405 lbs and a short time later, I am able to work up to 405 for 20 have I not made strength gains? Will my lower body not be bigger?
when he says 10-12 reps he’s talking about 10-12 reps without stopping for a break.
so is RPing a set of 10-12 into a set of ~20 harder than a straight bang bang set of 20? yes, undoubtedly.
when i talk about sets of 12+ i’m talking about sets people usually do for a pump. i dont know anyone who exclusively trains 12+ reps and has any real progress, and you look like a prick for trying to pull some technicality about widowmakers. if you knew about training you would have known what i was talking about right off the bat.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
bwhitwell wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
bwhitwell wrote:
After trying different rep schemes over the years I always seem to go back to mod weight for 10 reps with very short rest periords while concentrating on feeling the weight. I know that goes against the grain on this website but the weight I lift is not my primary concern. I still use a progressive increase in weights but not at the sacrafice of control or rest times. I am not trying to say that people that lift lower reps and heavier weight use sloppy form but that when I personnaly try to make an increase in weight my goal I seem to lose form and not get the results I am looking for.
When you say ‘progressive increase in weight’ do you mean ramping the load to a final max set or sets with the same load and increasing the load over time (days, weeks, etc)?
No I don’t ramp up, I actually warm up with light weights then start at my max weight for 10 reps and stay with that weight for x sets. When I can get 10 on my last set without hitting failure I increase the weight on the next workout.
Currently I am doing a modified 10x10 routine with 20-30 sec. rest periods so I increase the weight on this routine when all 10 sets are done within 20-30 sec. without having to resort to changing my form or having to take extra breaths between reps. It is a very slow progression in weight but at 48 yrs old I have learned to have patience. I am proud of my light weight of 95 lb MP 10x10 and BW dips 10x10.
I think this is similar to what most pro’s do and most BB’rs in general. The 10x10 volume seems a bit much to me, but you probably only do that once per week?
I personally prefer a twice per week split. I can use less volume and higher load. But like you I currently use the same load for all sets.
I think it is difficult to gain over the long term by ramping to max as it wears you out after a while. The point is to be able to recover from every workout. If you can’t fully recover and super-compensate from every workout you cannot continue to progress.
Why do you think like this?
If it were difficult to gain over the long term, are you saying any progress I’ve made is imaginary? That I was worn out and just didn’t know it? That I truly didn’t recover and supercompensate?
Why do you believe most pros train without ramping up?[/quote]
I believe that it works for you and may work for others, but not everyone. I’m not going to put down something that is working for some people. If it works keep doing it. But I know a lot of guys that it doesn’t work for; like bwhitwell who IMO has made some great progress as anyone can see. So is he wrong for not ramping?
And why do I think most pro’s don’t ramp? Because they state nothing about ramping in all their books and article. The only time you see a pro ramping is when they are in front of a camera. That tells me that they just do that for the camera, but not in their private day to day workout.
[quote]Der Candy wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
bwhitwell wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
bwhitwell wrote:
After trying different rep schemes over the years I always seem to go back to mod weight for 10 reps with very short rest periords while concentrating on feeling the weight. I know that goes against the grain on this website but the weight I lift is not my primary concern. I still use a progressive increase in weights but not at the sacrafice of control or rest times. I am not trying to say that people that lift lower reps and heavier weight use sloppy form but that when I personnaly try to make an increase in weight my goal I seem to lose form and not get the results I am looking for.
When you say ‘progressive increase in weight’ do you mean ramping the load to a final max set or sets with the same load and increasing the load over time (days, weeks, etc)?
No I don’t ramp up, I actually warm up with light weights then start at my max weight for 10 reps and stay with that weight for x sets. When I can get 10 on my last set without hitting failure I increase the weight on the next workout.
Currently I am doing a modified 10x10 routine with 20-30 sec. rest periods so I increase the weight on this routine when all 10 sets are done within 20-30 sec. without having to resort to changing my form or having to take extra breaths between reps. It is a very slow progression in weight but at 48 yrs old I have learned to have patience. I am proud of my light weight of 95 lb MP 10x10 and BW dips 10x10.
I think this is similar to what most pro’s do and most BB’rs in general. The 10x10 volume seems a bit much to me, but you probably only do that once per week?
I personally prefer a twice per week split. I can use less volume and higher load. But like you I currently use the same load for all sets.
I think it is difficult to gain over the long term by ramping to max as it wears you out after a while. The point is to be able to recover from every workout. If you can’t fully recover and super-compensate from every workout you cannot continue to progress.
i have seen your posts. you seem to ignore every big dude who tells you they ramp up and instead choose to live in some fantasy realm where everyone does straight sets.
are you even jacked?[/quote]
Show me where a pro stated in their book/articles that they always ramp?
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
bwhitwell wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
bwhitwell wrote:
After trying different rep schemes over the years I always seem to go back to mod weight for 10 reps with very short rest periords while concentrating on feeling the weight. I know that goes against the grain on this website but the weight I lift is not my primary concern. I still use a progressive increase in weights but not at the sacrafice of control or rest times. I am not trying to say that people that lift lower reps and heavier weight use sloppy form but that when I personnaly try to make an increase in weight my goal I seem to lose form and not get the results I am looking for.
When you say ‘progressive increase in weight’ do you mean ramping the load to a final max set or sets with the same load and increasing the load over time (days, weeks, etc)?
No I don’t ramp up, I actually warm up with light weights then start at my max weight for 10 reps and stay with that weight for x sets. When I can get 10 on my last set without hitting failure I increase the weight on the next workout.
Currently I am doing a modified 10x10 routine with 20-30 sec. rest periods so I increase the weight on this routine when all 10 sets are done within 20-30 sec. without having to resort to changing my form or having to take extra breaths between reps. It is a very slow progression in weight but at 48 yrs old I have learned to have patience. I am proud of my light weight of 95 lb MP 10x10 and BW dips 10x10.
I think this is similar to what most pro’s do and most BB’rs in general. The 10x10 volume seems a bit much to me, but you probably only do that once per week?
I personally prefer a twice per week split. I can use less volume and higher load. But like you I currently use the same load for all sets.
I think it is difficult to gain over the long term by ramping to max as it wears you out after a while. The point is to be able to recover from every workout. If you can’t fully recover and super-compensate from every workout you cannot continue to progress.
Why do you think like this?
If it were difficult to gain over the long term, are you saying any progress I’ve made is imaginary? That I was worn out and just didn’t know it? That I truly didn’t recover and supercompensate?
Why do you believe most pros train without ramping up?
I believe that it works for you and may work for others, but not everyone. I’m not going to put down something that is working for some people. If it works keep doing it. But I know a lot of guys that it doesn’t work for; like bwhitwell who IMO has made some great progress as anyone can see. So is he wrong for not ramping?
And why do I think most pro’s don’t ramp? Because they state nothing about ramping in all their books and article. The only time you see a pro ramping is when they are in front of a camera. That tells me that they just do that for the camera, but not in their private day to day workout.
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Bwhitwell is well developed…but he weighs less than 170lbs I believe. I was a newb the last time I weighed that much and outweigh him by more than 100lbs at the moment. It may work to get you to that kind of size if you are close to his height and have his muscle bellies that allow him to look a little bigger than he really is. I seriously doubt you have the genetics of someone like him or onemorerep who can look way bigger even though they really aren’t that large.
As far as the pros, you didn’t know nearly every article you have ever seen in a mag was GHOST WRITTEN by someone who probably doesn’t even lift?