High Rep, Lower Weight Training

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
bwhitwell wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
bwhitwell wrote:
After trying different rep schemes over the years I always seem to go back to mod weight for 10 reps with very short rest periords while concentrating on feeling the weight. I know that goes against the grain on this website but the weight I lift is not my primary concern. I still use a progressive increase in weights but not at the sacrafice of control or rest times. I am not trying to say that people that lift lower reps and heavier weight use sloppy form but that when I personnaly try to make an increase in weight my goal I seem to lose form and not get the results I am looking for.

When you say ‘progressive increase in weight’ do you mean ramping the load to a final max set or sets with the same load and increasing the load over time (days, weeks, etc)?

No I don’t ramp up, I actually warm up with light weights then start at my max weight for 10 reps and stay with that weight for x sets. When I can get 10 on my last set without hitting failure I increase the weight on the next workout.
Currently I am doing a modified 10x10 routine with 20-30 sec. rest periods so I increase the weight on this routine when all 10 sets are done within 20-30 sec. without having to resort to changing my form or having to take extra breaths between reps. It is a very slow progression in weight but at 48 yrs old I have learned to have patience. I am proud of my light weight of 95 lb MP 10x10 and BW dips 10x10.

I think this is similar to what most pro’s do and most BB’rs in general. The 10x10 volume seems a bit much to me, but you probably only do that once per week?

I personally prefer a twice per week split. I can use less volume and higher load. But like you I currently use the same load for all sets.

I think it is difficult to gain over the long term by ramping to max as it wears you out after a while. The point is to be able to recover from every workout. If you can’t fully recover and super-compensate from every workout you cannot continue to progress.

Why do you think like this?

If it were difficult to gain over the long term, are you saying any progress I’ve made is imaginary? That I was worn out and just didn’t know it? That I truly didn’t recover and supercompensate?

Why do you believe most pros train without ramping up?

I believe that it works for you and may work for others, but not everyone. I’m not going to put down something that is working for some people. If it works keep doing it. But I know a lot of guys that it doesn’t work for; like bwhitwell who IMO has made some great progress as anyone can see. So is he wrong for not ramping?

And why do I think most pro’s don’t ramp? Because they state nothing about ramping in all their books and article. The only time you see a pro ramping is when they are in front of a camera. That tells me that they just do that for the camera, but not in their private day to day workout.

Bwhitwell is well developed…but he weighs less than 170lbs I believe. I was a newb the last time I weighed that much and outweigh him by more than 100lbs at the moment. It may work to get you to that kind of size if you are close to his height and have his muscle bellies that allow him to look a little bigger than he really is. I seriously doubt you have the genetics of someone like him or onemorerep who can look way bigger even though they really aren’t that large.

As far as the pros, you didn’t know nearly every article you have ever seen in a mag was GHOST WRITTEN by someone who probably doesn’t even lift?
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I actually got the idea from Lee Labrada of having a quick warmup of light weight 15-20 reps x 2 sets with a small increase between the two and then starting my work sets with a 10 rep max , resting until my breathing became normal, decreased the weight by 5 lbs and starting the next set for 10 reps , then repeating for 5 sets. The next time I did that exercise I would increase the weight of the 1st workset IF I could finish all 5 sets of 10 reps with good form. Labrada was about the same height I was and thought that look was more attainable for my build. Labrada was at my gym for a guest posing so the info was not from a ghost writer.

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[quote]bwhitwell wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
bwhitwell wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
bwhitwell wrote:
After trying different rep schemes over the years I always seem to go back to mod weight for 10 reps with very short rest periords while concentrating on feeling the weight. I know that goes against the grain on this website but the weight I lift is not my primary concern. I still use a progressive increase in weights but not at the sacrafice of control or rest times. I am not trying to say that people that lift lower reps and heavier weight use sloppy form but that when I personnaly try to make an increase in weight my goal I seem to lose form and not get the results I am looking for.

When you say ‘progressive increase in weight’ do you mean ramping the load to a final max set or sets with the same load and increasing the load over time (days, weeks, etc)?

No I don’t ramp up, I actually warm up with light weights then start at my max weight for 10 reps and stay with that weight for x sets. When I can get 10 on my last set without hitting failure I increase the weight on the next workout.
Currently I am doing a modified 10x10 routine with 20-30 sec. rest periods so I increase the weight on this routine when all 10 sets are done within 20-30 sec. without having to resort to changing my form or having to take extra breaths between reps. It is a very slow progression in weight but at 48 yrs old I have learned to have patience. I am proud of my light weight of 95 lb MP 10x10 and BW dips 10x10.

I think this is similar to what most pro’s do and most BB’rs in general. The 10x10 volume seems a bit much to me, but you probably only do that once per week?

I personally prefer a twice per week split. I can use less volume and higher load. But like you I currently use the same load for all sets.

I think it is difficult to gain over the long term by ramping to max as it wears you out after a while. The point is to be able to recover from every workout. If you can’t fully recover and super-compensate from every workout you cannot continue to progress.

Why do you think like this?

If it were difficult to gain over the long term, are you saying any progress I’ve made is imaginary? That I was worn out and just didn’t know it? That I truly didn’t recover and supercompensate?

Why do you believe most pros train without ramping up?

I believe that it works for you and may work for others, but not everyone. I’m not going to put down something that is working for some people. If it works keep doing it. But I know a lot of guys that it doesn’t work for; like bwhitwell who IMO has made some great progress as anyone can see. So is he wrong for not ramping?

And why do I think most pro’s don’t ramp? Because they state nothing about ramping in all their books and article. The only time you see a pro ramping is when they are in front of a camera. That tells me that they just do that for the camera, but not in their private day to day workout.

Bwhitwell is well developed…but he weighs less than 170lbs I believe. I was a newb the last time I weighed that much and outweigh him by more than 100lbs at the moment. It may work to get you to that kind of size if you are close to his height and have his muscle bellies that allow him to look a little bigger than he really is. I seriously doubt you have the genetics of someone like him or onemorerep who can look way bigger even though they really aren’t that large.

As far as the pros, you didn’t know nearly every article you have ever seen in a mag was GHOST WRITTEN by someone who probably doesn’t even lift?

I actually got the idea from Lee Labrada of having a quick warmup of light weight 15-20 reps x 2 sets with a small increase between the two and then starting my work sets with a 10 rep max , resting until my breathing became normal, decreased the weight by 5 lbs and starting the next set for 10 reps , then repeating for 5 sets. The next time I did that exercise I would increase the weight of the 1st workset IF I could finish all 5 sets of 10 reps with good form. Labrada was about the same height I was and thought that look was more attainable for my build. Labrada was at my gym for a guest posing so the info was not from a ghost writer.

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Yes, straight sets is a tried and true protocol used by most all the old-school BB’s: Arnold, Franco, LaBrada, etc. While ramping has been around for a while it has only come mainstream with the DC training guys. And IMO, DC is just a modified HIT.

The point being that many well known BB’s have built very impressive size using straight sets.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
bwhitwell wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
bwhitwell wrote:
After trying different rep schemes over the years I always seem to go back to mod weight for 10 reps with very short rest periords while concentrating on feeling the weight. I know that goes against the grain on this website but the weight I lift is not my primary concern. I still use a progressive increase in weights but not at the sacrafice of control or rest times. I am not trying to say that people that lift lower reps and heavier weight use sloppy form but that when I personnaly try to make an increase in weight my goal I seem to lose form and not get the results I am looking for.

When you say ‘progressive increase in weight’ do you mean ramping the load to a final max set or sets with the same load and increasing the load over time (days, weeks, etc)?

No I don’t ramp up, I actually warm up with light weights then start at my max weight for 10 reps and stay with that weight for x sets. When I can get 10 on my last set without hitting failure I increase the weight on the next workout.
Currently I am doing a modified 10x10 routine with 20-30 sec. rest periods so I increase the weight on this routine when all 10 sets are done within 20-30 sec. without having to resort to changing my form or having to take extra breaths between reps. It is a very slow progression in weight but at 48 yrs old I have learned to have patience. I am proud of my light weight of 95 lb MP 10x10 and BW dips 10x10.

I think this is similar to what most pro’s do and most BB’rs in general. The 10x10 volume seems a bit much to me, but you probably only do that once per week?

I personally prefer a twice per week split. I can use less volume and higher load. But like you I currently use the same load for all sets.

I think it is difficult to gain over the long term by ramping to max as it wears you out after a while. The point is to be able to recover from every workout. If you can’t fully recover and super-compensate from every workout you cannot continue to progress.

Why do you think like this?

If it were difficult to gain over the long term, are you saying any progress I’ve made is imaginary? That I was worn out and just didn’t know it? That I truly didn’t recover and supercompensate?

Why do you believe most pros train without ramping up?

I believe that it works for you and may work for others, but not everyone. I’m not going to put down something that is working for some people. If it works keep doing it. But I know a lot of guys that it doesn’t work for; like bwhitwell who IMO has made some great progress as anyone can see. So is he wrong for not ramping?

And why do I think most pro’s don’t ramp? Because they state nothing about ramping in all their books and article. The only time you see a pro ramping is when they are in front of a camera. That tells me that they just do that for the camera, but not in their private day to day workout.

Bwhitwell is well developed…but he weighs less than 170lbs I believe. I was a newb the last time I weighed that much and outweigh him by more than 100lbs at the moment. It may work to get you to that kind of size if you are close to his height and have his muscle bellies that allow him to look a little bigger than he really is. I seriously doubt you have the genetics of someone like him or onemorerep who can look way bigger even though they really aren’t that large.

As far as the pros, you didn’t know nearly every article you have ever seen in a mag was GHOST WRITTEN by someone who probably doesn’t even lift?
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What does weight have to do with it? Either you are a BB or you aren’t. And if you are only size, definition, etc matters, not how much you weight.

And Bwhitwell is totally ripped. If you were that ripped you would not be the weight you are now, I know I wouldn’t. So a lot also has to do with his size given he has no body fat. IMO, that is damn good for someone his age or any age.

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:

What does weight have to do with it? Either you are a BB or you aren’t. And if you are only size, definition, etc matters, not how much you weight.

And Bwhitwell is totally ripped. If you were that ripped you would not be the weight you are now, I know I wouldn’t. So a lot also has to do with his size given he has no body fat. IMO, that is damn good for someone his age or any age.

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You ask what weights has to do with it and then state that the goal is SIZE, definition etc?

WTF?

Yes, weight does matter. If you are over 6 feet tall, chances are low you will look developed enough on a stage to win anything at any high level if you are much under 200lbs. He is SHORT which is why he can get away with weighing under 170lbs yet look filled out.

This needed an explanation?

It makes no sense for someone like me to train like someone like him. In fact, very few people have the genetics to look bigger at such a light weight. His muscle shape allows that more than anything else. You are comparing two completely different body types and don’t even seem to know it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:

What does weight have to do with it? Either you are a BB or you aren’t. And if you are only size, definition, etc matters, not how much you weight.

And Bwhitwell is totally ripped. If you were that ripped you would not be the weight you are now, I know I wouldn’t. So a lot also has to do with his size given he has no body fat. IMO, that is damn good for someone his age or any age.

You ask what weights has to do with it and then state that the goal is SIZE, definition etc?

WTF?

Yes, weight does matter. If you are over 6 feet tall, chances are low you will look developed enough on a stage to win anything at any high level if you are much under 200lbs. He is SHORT which is why he can get away with weighing under 170lbs yet look filled out.

This needed an explanation?

It makes no sense for someone like me to train like someone like him. In fact, very few people have the genetics to look bigger at such a light weight. His muscle shape allows that more than anything else. You are comparing two completely different body types and don’t even seem to know it.[/quote]

With all honesty Prof X I would rather be in your shoes than mine. If I had more heighth and clavicle width I would follow your training , but since I don’t, I train differrently. BB is all about finding out what you need to do for you. That is why I never kept a training partner.

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[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
when he says 10-12 reps he’s talking about 10-12 reps without stopping for a break.

so is RPing a set of 10-12 into a set of ~20 harder than a straight bang bang set of 20? yes, undoubtedly.

when i talk about sets of 12+ i’m talking about sets people usually do for a pump. i dont know anyone who exclusively trains 12+ reps and has any real progress, and you look like a prick for trying to pull some technicality about widowmakers. if you knew about training you would have known what i was talking about right off the bat.
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Listen dude, u said

“10 reps is on the very edge of “moderate” reps. anything over 10 and you’re pretty much training for a pump.”

I was merely pointing out that your blanket statement is not true.

Also, I never said anything about RP. But… since you brought it up, a reasonable RP range for many exercises is 20-30. To get to 30, you pretty much need to get to 15 on your first set. Again, is this training for a pump? I think not.

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[quote]RMorrison wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
when he says 10-12 reps he’s talking about 10-12 reps without stopping for a break.

so is RPing a set of 10-12 into a set of ~20 harder than a straight bang bang set of 20? yes, undoubtedly.

when i talk about sets of 12+ i’m talking about sets people usually do for a pump. i dont know anyone who exclusively trains 12+ reps and has any real progress, and you look like a prick for trying to pull some technicality about widowmakers. if you knew about training you would have known what i was talking about right off the bat.

Listen dude, u said

“10 reps is on the very edge of “moderate” reps. anything over 10 and you’re pretty much training for a pump.”

I was merely pointing out that your blanket statement is not true.

Also, I never said anything about RP. But… since you brought it up, a reasonable RP range for many exercises is 20-30. To get to 30, you pretty much need to get to 15 on your first set. Again, is this training for a pump? I think not.

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You read too far into shit and take things too literally. Get off his nuts. Obviously there are always exceptions but if we are talking about how most people RP their shit the 20-30 range is USUALLY (threw that in there because if I didn’t you’d go nuts about the blanket statement) only used for exercises where its not that safe to do lower rep higher weight work.

I believe 10-20 RP is usually the desired number for most (notice I said most) lifts.

And you did bring up RP because widowmaker quad exercises are a form of RP…you just don’t ever put the weight down in a quad widowmaker. But taking pauses for several seconds at a time and breathing 5 times between a rep is still a form of rest-pausing.

Live and I were both talking about 12+ reps in a strait fashion where you are doing all your reps one after the other with no breaks, you knew this and had to bring up widowmakers to try to seem smart still since you had called live and idiot or something to that effect.

The fact of the matter is a 20 rep widowmaker is not used with a 20RM weight…that would just be 20 reps. Widowmakers are done in a fashion similar to rest-pausing and you are using a weight much heavier than you could ever dream of doing for 20 strait reps. If you aren’t you are doing them WRONG, and that’s your problem not mine.

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[quote]josh86 wrote:

The fact of the matter is a 20 rep widowmaker is not used with a 20RM weight…that would just be 20 reps. Widowmakers are done in a fashion similar to rest-pausing and you are using a weight much heavier than you could ever dream of doing for 20 strait reps. If you aren’t you are doing them WRONG, and that’s your problem not mine.[/quote]

What I don’t understand about the whole widowmaker thing is (from what I’ve seen) most guys don’t do non-widowmaker squats without any breaks between reps. Am I wrong about this?

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[quote]SquatDeep385 wrote:
josh86 wrote:

The fact of the matter is a 20 rep widowmaker is not used with a 20RM weight…that would just be 20 reps. Widowmakers are done in a fashion similar to rest-pausing and you are using a weight much heavier than you could ever dream of doing for 20 strait reps. If you aren’t you are doing them WRONG, and that’s your problem not mine.

What I don’t understand about the whole widowmaker thing is (from what I’ve seen) most guys don’t do non-widowmaker squats without any breaks between reps. Am I wrong about this?[/quote]

they might take a few breaths, i know i do but A) when i said 10+ i wasn’t even talking about squats B) the amount of rest you need to grind out 20 is much different than the amount you need to grind out 5

this guy just thought he was cool b/c he threw out 20 rep squats when i said lifting over 10 reps is pretty much just for a pumnp. which i still stand by, obviously excluding 20 rep squats. and the fact he tried to say i’ve never even DONE 20 rep squats is laughable. i’ve never even seen this chuckle head post before.

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[quote]josh86 wrote:
RMorrison wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
when he says 10-12 reps he’s talking about 10-12 reps without stopping for a break.

so is RPing a set of 10-12 into a set of ~20 harder than a straight bang bang set of 20? yes, undoubtedly.

when i talk about sets of 12+ i’m talking about sets people usually do for a pump. i dont know anyone who exclusively trains 12+ reps and has any real progress, and you look like a prick for trying to pull some technicality about widowmakers. if you knew about training you would have known what i was talking about right off the bat.

Listen dude, u said

“10 reps is on the very edge of “moderate” reps. anything over 10 and you’re pretty much training for a pump.”

I was merely pointing out that your blanket statement is not true.

Also, I never said anything about RP. But… since you brought it up, a reasonable RP range for many exercises is 20-30. To get to 30, you pretty much need to get to 15 on your first set. Again, is this training for a pump? I think not.

You read too far into shit and take things too literally. Get off his nuts. Obviously there are always exceptions but if we are talking about how most people RP their shit the 20-30 range is USUALLY (threw that in there because if I didn’t you’d go nuts about the blanket statement) only used for exercises where its not that safe to do lower rep higher weight work.

I believe 10-20 RP is usually the desired number for most (notice I said most) lifts.

And you did bring up RP because widowmaker quad exercises are a form of RP…you just don’t ever put the weight down in a quad widowmaker. But taking pauses for several seconds at a time and breathing 5 times between a rep is still a form of rest-pausing.

Live and I were both talking about 12+ reps in a strait fashion where you are doing all your reps one after the other with no breaks, you knew this and had to bring up widowmakers to try to seem smart still since you had called live and idiot or something to that effect.

The fact of the matter is a 20 rep widowmaker is not used with a 20RM weight…that would just be 20 reps. Widowmakers are done in a fashion similar to rest-pausing and you are using a weight much heavier than you could ever dream of doing for 20 strait reps. If you aren’t you are doing them WRONG, and that’s your problem not mine.[/quote]

If you can do 20 reps without racking the bar then it is a 20 rep max! jesus fucking christ! Standing there with 300 lbs on your back is not resting!!!

Further to this, you act like you never take a breath between reps on any other exercise… I know that if I am doing a heavy set of RP something like HS incline bench (or many others), I have to take a couple breaths before the last reps OF EACH LEG of the RP set. If I get 11 on the first leg of my RP set, is that really only 9 in a Straight Set with my 9RM? Fucking ridiculous!

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[quote]SquatDeep385 wrote:
josh86 wrote:

The fact of the matter is a 20 rep widowmaker is not used with a 20RM weight…that would just be 20 reps. Widowmakers are done in a fashion similar to rest-pausing and you are using a weight much heavier than you could ever dream of doing for 20 strait reps. If you aren’t you are doing them WRONG, and that’s your problem not mine.

What I don’t understand about the whole widowmaker thing is (from what I’ve seen) most guys don’t do non-widowmaker squats without any breaks between reps. Am I wrong about this?[/quote]

EXACTLY!

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If you have been using 10 rep range heavy the high reps with a slightly lower weight would be great, use it for 4-6 weeks so your body has enough to adapt one or two weeks will not be be effective. using this high rep method will recruit new muscle fibres and motor units not to mention challenge your whole body.
Ant new and diffrent is great, it all works , some work great and some dont but they all work.
So conclusion would be a YES try it just dont go super light-weight.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:

What does weight have to do with it? Either you are a BB or you aren’t. And if you are only size, definition, etc matters, not how much you weight.

And Bwhitwell is totally ripped. If you were that ripped you would not be the weight you are now, I know I wouldn’t. So a lot also has to do with his size given he has no body fat. IMO, that is damn good for someone his age or any age.

You ask what weights has to do with it and then state that the goal is SIZE, definition etc?

WTF?

Yes, weight does matter. If you are over 6 feet tall, chances are low you will look developed enough on a stage to win anything at any high level if you are much under 200lbs. He is SHORT which is why he can get away with weighing under 170lbs yet look filled out.

This needed an explanation?

It makes no sense for someone like me to train like someone like him. In fact, very few people have the genetics to look bigger at such a light weight. His muscle shape allows that more than anything else. You are comparing two completely different body types and don’t even seem to know it.[/quote]

We are talking about muscle weight, not fat weight. He is totally ripped. If he had the percent of body fat that you or I have he would weigh a lot more. So does fat weight win contests? No. Having big looking muscles while weighting less wins contests as it is by weight class.

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[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
when he says 10-12 reps he’s talking about 10-12 reps without stopping for a break.

so is RPing a set of 10-12 into a set of ~20 harder than a straight bang bang set of 20? yes, undoubtedly.

when i talk about sets of 12+ i’m talking about sets people usually do for a pump. i dont know anyone who exclusively trains 12+ reps and has any real progress, and you look like a prick for trying to pull some technicality about widowmakers. if you knew about training you would have known what i was talking about right off the bat.
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You know, Live…Just because the reps are in the 12+ range, it doesn’t mean you’re lifting pussy weight. I’m failing to grasp your concept of high reps involving pink dumbbells or weight I can throw around with one arm. Maybe you’re just used to seeing people do it for a pump with wimpy weight.

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[quote]RMorrison wrote:
josh86 wrote:
RMorrison wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
when he says 10-12 reps he’s talking about 10-12 reps without stopping for a break.

so is RPing a set of 10-12 into a set of ~20 harder than a straight bang bang set of 20? yes, undoubtedly.

when i talk about sets of 12+ i’m talking about sets people usually do for a pump. i dont know anyone who exclusively trains 12+ reps and has any real progress, and you look like a prick for trying to pull some technicality about widowmakers. if you knew about training you would have known what i was talking about right off the bat.

Listen dude, u said

“10 reps is on the very edge of “moderate” reps. anything over 10 and you’re pretty much training for a pump.”

I was merely pointing out that your blanket statement is not true.

Also, I never said anything about RP. But… since you brought it up, a reasonable RP range for many exercises is 20-30. To get to 30, you pretty much need to get to 15 on your first set. Again, is this training for a pump? I think not.

You read too far into shit and take things too literally. Get off his nuts. Obviously there are always exceptions but if we are talking about how most people RP their shit the 20-30 range is USUALLY (threw that in there because if I didn’t you’d go nuts about the blanket statement) only used for exercises where its not that safe to do lower rep higher weight work.

I believe 10-20 RP is usually the desired number for most (notice I said most) lifts.

And you did bring up RP because widowmaker quad exercises are a form of RP…you just don’t ever put the weight down in a quad widowmaker. But taking pauses for several seconds at a time and breathing 5 times between a rep is still a form of rest-pausing.

Live and I were both talking about 12+ reps in a strait fashion where you are doing all your reps one after the other with no breaks, you knew this and had to bring up widowmakers to try to seem smart still since you had called live and idiot or something to that effect.

The fact of the matter is a 20 rep widowmaker is not used with a 20RM weight…that would just be 20 reps. Widowmakers are done in a fashion similar to rest-pausing and you are using a weight much heavier than you could ever dream of doing for 20 strait reps. If you aren’t you are doing them WRONG, and that’s your problem not mine.

If you can do 20 reps without racking the bar then it is a 20 rep max! jesus fucking christ! Standing there with 300 lbs on your back is not resting!!!

Further to this, you act like you never take a breath between reps on any other exercise… I know that if I am doing a heavy set of RP something like HS incline bench (or many others), I have to take a couple breaths before the last reps OF EACH LEG of the RP set. If I get 11 on the first leg of my RP set, is that really only 9 in a Straight Set with my 9RM? Fucking ridiculous!
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i actually usually dont breathe on heavy sets of 6 or less. fucks up your mojo. keep up your 12+ rep training though, looks like its working bruh

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[quote]One Sexy Korean wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
when he says 10-12 reps he’s talking about 10-12 reps without stopping for a break.

so is RPing a set of 10-12 into a set of ~20 harder than a straight bang bang set of 20? yes, undoubtedly.

when i talk about sets of 12+ i’m talking about sets people usually do for a pump. i dont know anyone who exclusively trains 12+ reps and has any real progress, and you look like a prick for trying to pull some technicality about widowmakers. if you knew about training you would have known what i was talking about right off the bat.

You know, Live…Just because the reps are in the 12+ range, it doesn’t mean you’re lifting pussy weight. I’m failing to grasp your concept of high reps involving pink dumbbells or weight I can throw around with one arm. Maybe you’re just used to seeing people do it for a pump with wimpy weight.[/quote]

not really light weight. i can max out the stack with a DB on top on pushdowns for 12+ reps, it isn’t ‘light’ but it isnt going to give me much benefit either.

i can hit 12+ reps easily on the bench press with 225 also.

but how is that going to help me with gaining size? if i can do something for that many reps, it probably isnt worth doing, at least not ALL the time.

i currently do a set or 2 of ~10-12 reps after my heavy set. but thats AFTER my heavy set i would never expect to get results from doing nothing but 15+ reps. even with widowmaker squats you do a heavy set of 4-6 before hand.

it shouldnt be about whats heavy to the average person, it should be about whats heavy to you as an individual. im all for mixing it up but id never, ever, ever recommend someone do NOTHING but 12+ reps unless it was a deload or something.

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[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:

i actually usually dont breathe on heavy sets of 6 or less. fucks up your mojo. keep up your 12+ rep training though, looks like its working bruh

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Live if you see my progress i do:

2 - 13/15 Rep Days

2 - 10/12 Rep Days

2 - 8/10 Rep Days

Are you saying 4 of my 6 days are of no use ???

I’m not arguing, or anything as you have answered alot of my questions (thank you) but your basically saying 2/4 of my days are useless lol.

Whereas with that setup i have been by passing people on this forum for years progress… so how can it be useless ?

edit: In my supergrowth phase i have 2 5/7 Rep Days and i don’t breath either once i do it gets 10 times harder lol

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ok I actually logged in to talk about all this RM balls thats goin on here.

When someone says 10 rep max, that means u can lift the weight 10 times continuously, without a pause longer than say half a second between reps. Resting, even with the weight still under your control is a type of forced rep, so you’re 10RM does not become ur 12RM just because u do 2 extra RP reps today.

There is a lot of difference between 10 + 2 rest paused reps, and 12 reps.

20 rep widowmakers are done with ur 10 rep max, that means, if you do not rest before the 11th rep, you will FAIL on it. Completing a widowmaker does not mean this weight is now ur 20RM.

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[quote]SmallToBig wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:

i actually usually dont breathe on heavy sets of 6 or less. fucks up your mojo. keep up your 12+ rep training though, looks like its working bruh

Live if you see my progress i do:

2 - 13/15 Rep Days

2 - 10/12 Rep Days

2 - 8/10 Rep Days

Are you saying 4 of my 6 days are of no use ???

I’m not arguing, or anything as you have answered alot of my questions (thank you) but your basically saying 2/4 of my days are useless lol.

Whereas with that setup i have been by passing people on this forum for years progress… so how can it be useless ?

edit: In my supergrowth phase i have 2 5/7 Rep Days and i don’t breath either once i do it gets 10 times harder lol[/quote]

you’ve been training about a month long. i gained 10 pounds in a month when i first started training and i didnt even know anything other than 3 sets of 10. wait til youve been training 3 years and we’ll if youre doing the same split youre on now.

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Oh ok. I’ll let you know in 3 years so :stuck_out_tongue:

And again i’m not questioning you, you’ve prob forgotton more than i know (lol)