High Inclines for Shoulders

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]vali wrote:
^ my experience of “bodybuilders” at gyms/ ronnie coleman videos, haha.

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Well excuse you…

Just for 2 examples. I’m not going to dig them all out.

You do have a bit of an attitude for someone who has zero experience himself, don’t you think?

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Okay, you got me there. My original point was that standing OHP is a better exercise, and my current point is that you are taking the internet too seriously. Relax and feel the breeze around you, young one.

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[quote]vali wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]vali wrote:
^ my experience of “bodybuilders” at gyms/ ronnie coleman videos, haha.

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Well excuse you…

Just for 2 examples. I’m not going to dig them all out.

You do have a bit of an attitude for someone who has zero experience himself, don’t you think?

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Okay, you got me there. My original point was that standing OHP is a better exercise, and my current point is that you are taking the internet too seriously. Relax and feel the breeze around you, young one.
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Young one huh, I wish man…

But anyway… If you stick with the game and manage to actually get somewhere, you’ll, like most of us, eventually figure out that what certain people drill into your brain as a beginner (and what beginners like to repeat to each other ad infinitum) isn’t quite how things actually are.

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[quote]captain slow wrote:
It seems my question has led to some disagreement…So even though it hurts my shoulders and find it difficult to progress on I should use it because its a (slightly) better exercise?
[/quote] It’s neither a better exercise (unless under specific circumstances, i.e. oly lifting), nor should you do it (at least not that specific way) if it hurts the wrong way.

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I dont have a problem with something ‘uncomfortable’ but i lift for fun and im not doing anything that may bother tendons and joints in a very bad way.

What about the db use aswel? Wont this help strengthen stabiliser joints aswel? [/quote]
stabilizer joints? :slight_smile:

I actually got carried away in the argument, Chris is right, you need to address your shoulder issue first… Best make a thread in the injury sub-forum.
Without knowing specifics, we can’t really recommend anything for you safely.

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[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
even though The Other C.C. has a disdain for “article logic”).
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Pretty sure you know what I meant, brother.

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Well i had to go to physio for about 1.5 years or so and was just given band exercises to do. The operation cost around 3-4 grand so no way could i afford to mess it up again!

I tore a rotar cuff and had pins put in to help strengthen. The problem was that my ligament had stretched out so far that it couldnt come back into the joint and was constantly dislocating and very painful.
For around a year I had zero ROM in the shoulders and was very painful. I lost alot of weight and became very weak hitting around 7-8 stone at 5 foot 8 inches :open_mouth: I looked anorexic lol

Its not painful to raise my arms overhead, just that the joint feels very uncomfortable when using bb press AFTER (ie 2-3 days after). I dont seem to have this problem with dbs so i use them now.

Have no idea what corrective programmimng is lol but i do broomstick rotations a few days a week.

Thanks

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Edited, for some reason a post of mine ended up in the wrong thread…

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[quote]captain slow wrote:
Well i had to go to physio for about 1.5 years or so and was just given band exercises to do. The operation cost around 3-4 grand so no way could i afford to mess it up again!

I tore a rotar cuff and had pins put in to help strengthen. The problem was that my ligament had stretched out so far that it couldnt come back into the joint and was constantly dislocating and very painful.
For around a year I had zero ROM in the shoulders and was very painful. I lost alot of weight and became very weak hitting around 7-8 stone at 5 foot 8 inches :open_mouth: I looked anorexic lol

Its not painful to raise my arms overhead, just that the joint feels very uncomfortable when using bb press AFTER (ie 2-3 days after). I dont seem to have this problem with dbs so i use them now.

Have no idea what corrective programmimng is lol but i do broomstick rotations a few days a week.

Thanks[/quote]

Those only help under specific circumstances… Tight pecs, rounded shoulders and such, typical bodybuilder issues with all the pressing and bad setup most guys use… Inability to get the shoulder blades together properly and so on.

They can mess things up further depending on what kind of injury you have.

Which part of your 'cuff did you tear specifically? Etc. Give us all the info you have.

Where exactly do your shoulders feel bad 2-3 days after mil pressing?

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whoa, this was exactly my question in my log… thanks CC! :smiley:

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Standing Barbell Shoulder Press.For Massive Deltoid Growth - YouTube please excuse this douche, but this is how im doin it.

trick is to keep shoulder blades squeezed together, no?

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[quote]ThePerfectDrug wrote:
Standing Barbell Shoulder Press.For Massive Deltoid Growth - YouTube please excuse this douche, but this is how im doin it.

trick is to keep shoulder blades squeezed together, no?[/quote]

If you want to do standing presses right, look for some olympic vet or coach demonstrating them rather than some random idiot… Of course you don’t have to go all the way to your clavicles which is usually done in oly lifting, esp if it’s uncomfortable on your 'cuff, but it still pays to learn the overall technique and setup from someone who does the lift all the time and actually puts up some real weight.

The shoulder blades move during a standing press, it’s not like when you’re benching and keeping them together the entire time. Don’t round your shoulders at the top of the press though…

You asked about the grip width etc in your log… That’s entirely up to what feels comfortable… Same for whether you tuck or flare your elbows (that will also require altering your body position/head and torso movement during the exercise some depending on whether you grip closer and tuck, or wider and flare, or a mix)… You’re doing 5/3/1 right? Wendler has written some about that sort of thing, you can start there.

When Beast drops by your place in a few weeks you could have him teach you… If you two actually manage to disentangle yourselves from each other for a minute or two :wink:

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
even though The Other C.C. has a disdain for “article logic”).
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Pretty sure you know what I meant, brother.[/quote]
Absolutely, bud. No worries.

I just wanted to remind the newbsters that there’s still merit to informational articles (from qualified sources). It’s the misinterpretation of that info that causes a lot of problems.

[quote]Captain Slow wrote:
So even though it hurts my shoulders and find it difficult to progress on I should use it[/quote]
As I said in that article, “if it hurts, don’t do it” is a pretty legit motto… but it’s always a good idea to address any issue so that few things end up “hurting” anyway.

That’s a solid idea in the meantime. Do the exercises that don’t cause pain, whether that’s incline work, dumbbell work, or just more isolation stuff (we are just talking shoulders here). And as I suggested before, experiment with neutral-grip presses (Pic and brief description here: Unconventional Workout - Shoulders )

By that, I basically meant sitting down and saying “Okay, my shoulders are wonky and I’m kinda not happy about that, so I’ll spend the next 8, 12, or 16 weeks making shoulder health my number one training priority. Not fat loss, not arm size, not my max deadlift. Just getting back to as-close-to-100% mobility and strength as possible.”

It’s not very glamorous or fun, but it’s essential for long-term training ability. Just ask Dave Tate. In terms of what it might entail, it’s obviously a bit different for each individual case, but guys like Tony Gentilcore, Nick Tumminello, and Eric Cressey have written a buckets of info about it.

[quote]ThePerfectDrug wrote:
whoa, this was exactly my question in my log… thanks CC! :smiley: [/quote]
You’re welcome! … … … oh. :confused:

:wink:

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[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:

[quote]ThePerfectDrug wrote:
whoa, this was exactly my question in my log… thanks CC! :smiley: [/quote]
You’re welcome! … … … oh. :confused:

;)[/quote]

You know, now that you mention it… I have no idea whether she meant you or me either.

Who cares though, bottom line is we’re awesome. If one of us overlooks something, the other takes care of it I suppose.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:

[quote]ThePerfectDrug wrote:
whoa, this was exactly my question in my log… thanks CC! :smiley: [/quote]
You’re welcome! … … … oh. :confused:

;)[/quote]

You know, now that you mention it… I have no idea whether she meant you or me either.

Who cares though, bottom line is we’re awesome. If one of us overlooks something, the other takes care of it I suppose.

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Indeed I was referring to Dr. Carnage…:slight_smile: THANKS. I wanted to email you my 5/3/1 Had some questions about some accessory lifts and volume. Would you have time to take a look?

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[quote]ThePerfectDrug wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:

[quote]ThePerfectDrug wrote:
whoa, this was exactly my question in my log… thanks CC! :smiley: [/quote]
You’re welcome! … … … oh. :confused:

;)[/quote]

You know, now that you mention it… I have no idea whether she meant you or me either.

Who cares though, bottom line is we’re awesome. If one of us overlooks something, the other takes care of it I suppose.

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Indeed I was referring to Dr. Carnage…:slight_smile: THANKS. I wanted to email you my 5/3/1 Had some questions about some accessory lifts and volume. Would you have time to take a look?[/quote]

Okay, I retract my statement from above… YOU LOSE CHRIS, YOU LOSE! :slight_smile:

Sure I’ll look your program over… Make sure you include your goals, past injuries and such though, and some info on your current stats.

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Sorry i should of made it clear before that the angle is usually around 60-75 degrees when i press

Thanks for all the help guys :slight_smile:

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[quote]captain slow wrote:
Sorry i should of made it clear before that the angle is usually around 60-75 degrees when i press

Thanks for all the help guys :)[/quote]

60 might be a bit low. It’s going to be more front delts than chest, but yeah… I’d go with the back-rest set one notch below vertical or maybe 2. That ought to be somewhere in the 70’s I think.
Then again, do what feels best, hits the target area well, allows for good progression and doesn’t get you injured…