High Dose, Short Cycle

[quote]World1187 wrote:
Still debating whether or not to use tren my last two weeks.

Thoughts?

World[/quote]

Well, since you ask…

Have you tried running less tren on an EOD schedule?

The reason I ask is that while researching the home-brew methodology you end up reading a lot of experiential data. Many of those with tren experience state they eventually learn that ‘less is more’…at least with tren-A.
I’ve read more than a few experiences that indicated dosings of 40-75mg EOD yielded very positive results with little to no negative sides.

Of course you may have already traversed this part of the learning curve, World. I wouldn’t know. But since you asked for thoughts…those were mine.

:wink:

I think you should use the tren. But I’m a sadist and I don’t necessarily have your best interests in mind :wink: Seriously, though, it’d be nice to see what happens with one last strong pop at the end.

Also I tried those stretch calf raises today. Ouch! Can definitely “feel” that working. I don’t know anything about DC other than what I’ve heard mentioned on this board, but will be checking it out for possible incorporation into my next cycle.

[quote]AlterEgo wrote:
. Many of those with tren experience state they eventually learn that ‘less is more’…at least with tren-A.
I’ve read more than a few experiences that indicated dosings of 40-75mg EOD yielded very positive results with little to no negative sides.

Of course you may have already traversed this part of the learning curve, World. I wouldn’t know. But since you asked for thoughts…those were mine.

;)[/quote]

Well if you read my previous postings regarding tren, you’d know that I was actually running 75mg ED. However, after about a week I did switch to 50mg ED and got just as good of results and lessened my side effects.

Less definitely can be more with tren, but there is such a thing as too little. For example, one of my trainees had a much better experience in the 400-500mg/wk range with ace as opposed to the 350mgwk standard. There is a point with all compounds, tren especially, when the side effects seem to far outweigh the good effects and progress made by using it.

Personally, assuming I do run it again, it will be at 350mg/wk with 50mg ED injections.

World

[quote]Cortes wrote:
I think you should use the tren. But I’m a sadist and I don’t necessarily have your best interests in mind :wink: Seriously, though, it’d be nice to see what happens with one last strong pop at the end.

Also I tried those stretch calf raises today. Ouch! Can definitely “feel” that working. I don’t know anything about DC other than what I’ve heard mentioned on this board, but will be checking it out for possible incorporation into my next cycle.[/quote]

I more than likely will go with the tren again. Mainly what is holding me back is making sure I am completely side effect free prior to getting back on it. Using Adex E3D currently to finish clearing up some gyno I had going in the right nip.

A reason I am leaning towards using it the last 2 weeks of my cycle also has to do with the very visible changes it gives you-- a very hard and defined look, very dry, and very vascular. Who doesn’t want that at cycle’s end?

As far as DC goes, it’s great for putting on mass, there is no doubt. You spend a very small amount of time in the gym, but definitely get the job done. You’re mentally focused and ready to kill when you step in the door because you know you’ll only be there for such a small period of time, so ya better make it count.

Something I’ve noticed with DC. If you’re going to do it, you gotta do it and follow the routine to the T-- that means proper warmups, proper RP techniques, static holds, and arguably the most important-- extreme stretching. On paper it doesn’t seem like much, but even Dante himself will tell critics to show them what they’ve achieved with their training techniques and compare them to the guys he routinely packs 50 or more pounds on in a year to three years’ time. It works, period, don’t question it. lol

One thing that you might want to consider-- you’re prepping for a contest, not sure how DC training could be incorporated into your pre-contest training. I know you plan on running two cycles, what you could do is a DC blast for your first cycle while using tren and a high dose of test. After 8-12 weeks doing 4 workouts a week, even on super supplements, you’d need to tone it down a bit for the sake of your CNS. Then perhaps you could move into a more conventional pre-contest strategy.

Another option for you could always be to blast first, cruise a week or two, and then hit another blast pre-contest with lots of cardio. This is hard shit and being low carb is going to make it even harder. One thing I’ve noticed that helps me the most is keeping protein in the front of my mind-- 430+ grams a day. It’s a big commitment, but after two weeks you sure as hell understand why you made the choice.

Just a few thoughts.

World

223.8

A small weight gain today, but I’m still satisfied. As long as it keeps getting heavier and I’m still vascular as shit in my traps and tris, I know I’m not getting fat. Some of the gains have slowed down ever since I got on the Adex, but I am also nowhere near as bloated as I was. However, while on tren I experienced even less bloat than I currently have on .5mg ED of Adex while I’m trying to get this right nip under control.

My strength is going up at a rate that is scary. Sure wish I had been doing DC while on tren, I cant imagine the effect it would have had then.

Still unsure as whether or not to run tren the last two weeks of my cycle. If I do I will utilize a 6 week stasis period, and if not then I will pare it down to 4 weeks as Bushy had earlier suggested since the schedule is so short for this cycle.

Ate like a horse today, but for some reason have been tired as shit.

World

223.2

The gains are definitely starting to level out a bit now. I believe I have roughly 3 weeks left at this point. My goal is to achieve a keepable 225 and make progress on lifts every single session, both in weight and reps-- which I have done every training session thus far. ]

Something else I have noticed thus far after only 6 sessions of DC. I’m not gaining a ton of weight, but I’m getting much stronger, have better definition and lines, and this just nice “full” look even without retention. I think another reason the weight gain hasn’t been gigantic is the fact I am using .5mg of Adex ED now, so that certainly has to have some sort of effect, even if it is only concerned with water retention.

I decided not to run tren at the end of this cycle, I’m just going to let it run out with 800mg/wk of test and see it goes. I mainly just want to get rid of the gyno in my right nip-- which might have been caused by the tren. However, it has decreased in size and sensitivity since using the Adex. Although I need to keep in mind that if the Adex does not do much, then it was definitely caused by the tren-- in which case I will need to run cabergoline.

Anyone have exprience with cabergoline?

World

224.1

Nearly there as far as my weight goal goes, but that’s no surprise after the way I was eating today. It was my day off since I’m only lifting 4 days a week on DC training. Anyways, ate everything in sight-- chicken alfredo, venion steaks, baked potatoes, a bunch of milk, two gallons of water, oatmeal… fuuuuck I just ate everything. About to hop in bed and feeling kind of like a pig,but not bloated at all thanks to the Adex.

Right nip is feeling much better, I want to keep my Adex dose up until it’s all normal again. Looking forward to the gym tomorrow. Going to try 415 on the incline for at least 15 reps. I think I’m capable of doing that since I got 21 at 385 last time. We’ll see. I certainly carbed up today.

Still feeling damn good, and I swear the sex drive is getting even stronger-- this weekend should be a lot of fun.

World

223.8

Gains have definitely begun to level out and are coming slower now. However I have been going rather low carb except on days when I allow myself a cheat meal or two, usually every four or so day, and therefore look much drier and harder. The physique is well past what I had hoped it would be already and I have yet another 3 or so weeks on cycle.

As far as strength goes, tonight I did my 1B workout for the second time and improved on reps, weight, or both on every single exercise. My squat is absolytely sky rocketing and tonight I got 532.5 for 4 solid reps and a spot on 5. I am damned happy and impressed with DC training. I figured spending so little time in the gym would allow me to eat more and put on more mass, but I had no idea my strength would be increasing at such an impressive rate.

I can now say I am firmly a believer in that making body stronger will make it bigger as well. Something else I love about DC training is that it’s all done with relatively heavy weight-- ideally on every working set I should be training with my 7RM, and sometimes I just blow that out of the water.

As far as feeling goes, I feel superhuman still. My girl came down last night and the only downside to today is that I’m relatively tired, but I got some damned good cardio in last night folks… I bet running my 800 a week kicks the shit out of using cialis, viagra, and zencore all at once, lol.

I’m off to enjoy a delicious homemade gainer shake-- 10 peanut butter cookies, a half gallon of whole milk, 75g of whey protein, a bit of caramel, two chopped bananas, and whip all that up in a blender. It is fucking delicious. That a roasted chicken I got for 4 bucks at Sam’s on sale will make for a delicious dinner…

World

Lookin’ strong man, keep it up!

224.6

Well the cycle is almost finished. Just a few more weeks left. I love what’s happened so far… I just need to keep it going.

Didn’t get a lot of rest this weekend… for one reason or another I couldn’t fall asleep and am definitely feeling it today.

Eating like a madman today for sure… I got DC training tonight…

World

Summary of last night…

226.0

Drank a lot of water yesterday and evidently held quite a bit of it as well.

DC training was pretty damned intense. Every single exercise I increased both reps and weight. Some of them I just blasted my old numbers-- specifically on the decline bench and rack deads.

All in all, it was great shit.

Tonight I got hams, quads, calves, forearms, and biceps. 20 rep set on the leg press… that’s going to be wild…

As far as how I’m feeling. Well I’m feeling pretty aggressive and horney. No surprise there though. The Adex dosage has been dropped to EOD or E3D depending on how I feel. It really depends how the right nipple feels. I’m eating like a horse too. However, I’ve been very tired lately and have had to try and squeeze in quick naps.

World

I haven’t posted in a while and just wanted to let you know I am still following with interest.

Would you say that your bodyfat has increased much at this point? Or have you managed to keep that stable and make almost exclusively lean gains?

I’m one of those guys who is lucky to be naturally lean. Figure 10 or so years ago I was at the same height and weighed roughly 100 pounds less. So I’ve struggled like hell to put on mass until 4 or so years ago.

So no, I wouldn’t say I have put on much fat at all. I can honestly say I believe the majority of my gains have been lean and obviously a slight bit of water weight. As I increase the Adex dosage and schedule though, I shed more and more water weight, I look as lean, if not leaner than pre-cycle. I have also developed some pretty intense vascularity. Keep in mind that I’ve done my damnedest to keep my diet clean.

World

227.8

Big gain in the past two days. I’ve been eating like a horse and used today as a “get all the calories I can” day. To say the least, it was a lot of fun.

It was also my day off from training, so I had some extra eating time in between classes.

Notes for the day
-felt tired, took a nap, problem solved
-horney as hell, girl 300 miles away, still unsolved
-somewhat irritable
-no Adex today
-take Adex tomorrow, but only .5mg

World

Looking forward to those after pics, World!

230.0

230 on the dot today gentleman. This is the biggest I have ever been. And it feels good to be honest with ya, but at the end of the day I am just tired as hell. Probably has something to do with lugging all this weight around… high carb diet lately in case ya can’t tell.

I am considering cutting back the carbs a bit here soon to get my definition back.

DC training is a great thing and I would recommend it to anyone who wants to get stronger and bigger. I have always trained for size, but getting on DC I obviously have to train for strength since the goal is to beat the logbook every time. Something I noticed is that my strength gains are actually becoming more and more dramatic as time goes on. I can’t imagine what would happen if I ran some tren with this style of training… I just might, we’ll see.

The DC stretches kick ass too once you accept the fact it’s going to hurt.

I might not be updating this until monday, there was a death in my family yesterday and I’ll be quite busy this weekend and then have to leave town sunday morning… just thought I’d let ya know.

World

14 weeks is a short cycle?

Well, I guess weeks 9-14 are only 100mg test enanthate, though

Will you be posting “after” pictures?

I will only be PMing them to certain trusted members. I didn’t feel good putting them on here to start with, but did anyway.

Only a select few will get pics, and if it’s hurts your feelings that I don’t pick you, well that’s tough. It’s this thing called security.

World