Yeah, it’s obviously where the mental fortitude bit comes in! The ‘good news’, which is backed by science, is that it takes probably close to 3, or even 4 consecutive days, of CHO overfeeding to start laying down serious fat. This seems to tally with my own personal experience.
For example, as mentioned already, as a one off, I have consumed a minimum 250g CHO of pure junk in an evening - and that’s on top of my normal high protein and fat diet. The next day (12-15 hours fasted; and usually with 20-40 mins LISS in me), I have produced ketone readings of 0.5mmol and blood glucose at 5.0mmol.
I think the speed of getting your blood glucose readings back into range is a big deal. Two of the major practical negatives with ketosis are mitigated that way:
You aren’t perpetually limited in social settings
You don’t have long transition periods (through which I think many of us don’t make it)
I’m sure there’s some hormonal benefits to the carbohydrate refeedings as well, but I’m not sure how convinced I am that transient stuff really plays out to any tangible result.
Well thanks. These discussions are always interesting. You and @mertdawg both have some solid and well informed positions.
I’ve reduced carbs a great deal over the last year +, but also have some refueling days (typically 1) in a given week.
Funny you mentioned the birthday cake. My son’s was last week and I had a piece of cake with butter cream icing. Ha! Man, the response from that was crazy!
So anyways, the purpose of my next check up is to see how the ticker is doing and very likely adjust meds, one of them being atorvastatin (lipitor, a statin) so, we’ll see if or how closely I’ve been on the right track.
This line of reasoning has alienated Paul Saladino within part of the carnivore community. If you are unfamiliar with his work, he is arguably the most informed practitioner of the diet around. He went from eating a zero carb, raw nose to tail diet (including testicles) to now incorporating raw honey on a daily basis. He stated he had issues around muscle cramping and feeling cold and that the addition of the honey has improved this. His continual glucose monitor readings clearly show he can well tolerate the carbs (about 120g a day, from memory). That seems like sound metabolic flexibility to me.
Thanks, mate. Mertdawg is in a different league. In fact, it was he who first flagged to me the notion that keto diets actually makes muscles insulin resistant. My initial thoughts were this couldn’t possibly be correct but he was bang on the money.
Good luck with the review. I’m not a believer in statins but you are big enough to make your own decisions on that one.
Wanted to touch on this too. I asked about cholesterol levels, plaques and whatnot at my last one. He didn’t completely dismiss the subject, but wasn’t majorly concerned. His main point of emphasis was on exercise and conditioning, and was impressed with the condition (and stress test, imaging, ekg, ect.) that I came in with.
I can’t induce that this must be a tennet of his practicing philosophy, but he just didn’t seem to be of the “fats bad” school, at least with me.
At the end of the day, your results speak for themselves.
My issue is with the mainstream. Here are some quotes to consider:
NHS (UK national health provider)
“Some fat in the diet is essential, but on average people in the UK eat too much saturated fat. It’s important to get most of your fat from unsaturated oils and spreads… Swapping to unsaturated fats can help lower cholesterol. Too much saturated fat can increase the amount of cholesterol in the blood, which increases your risk of developing heart disease.”
American Heart Association (classic quote below regarding “sound science”):
" The American Heart Association recommends limiting saturated fats – which are found in butter, cheese, red meat and other animal-based foods. Decades of sound science has proven it can raise your “bad” cholesterol and put you at higher risk for heart disease. The more important thing to remember is the overall dietary picture. Saturated fats are just one piece of the puzzle. In general, you can’t go wrong eating more fruits, vegetables, whole grains and fewer calories. When you hear about the latest “diet of the day” or a new or odd-sounding theory about food, consider the source. The American Heart Association makes dietary recommendations only after carefully considering the latest scientific evidence."
Thanks. I’m not big on any meds if they aren’t necessary, but my HDL was a little high, and LDL was in the bad range, coupled with a 100% blockage of the circumflex, and 2 others in the lower right coronary.
One of those will have one rethink their position on just about everything.
I swear, it must suck to be a doctor and do all that actual learning only to have people come into your office and say shit like this, haha. I like how you capitalize “truth” in your post, too.
Yeah. More recently their position has been along the lines of a Mediterranean or similar diet. Once you zoom in on any single point like fat sources and whatnot, they seem to change, but with the common vein of “all things in moderation”.
One will likely not learn on these blogs; which is why it is crucial to independently investigate the Truth which cannot be compromised. However, clues abound as to what to search for … as several already have. One must be overly cautious of “paid search” and “non-word ranked search”. Here (again) are some important search points …
How to raise HDL
How to lower Triglycerides
Why an LDL density profile is important
What is C-Reactive Protein (CRP) and how to lower it
What causes Inflammation