Saturated Fat, Cholesterol, Omega 3 FA

Nutrition
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I just read some old messages regarding Sat Fat, Cholesterol, Omega 3’s. It seemed like nobody could agree on what is healthy/unhealthy. It seems like recommendations change too often and nobody can decide on what is considered a healthy diet.

The more I read, the more I think Sat. Fat (especially from Coconut oil) is healthy in moderation. Cholesterol is also very necessary.

I even read that Omega 3s easily become rancid in the body. This was because they don’t do well in higher temps and our body temp is usually around 98 degrees. Tropical oils on the other hand don’t become rancid in the body due to the environmental conditions they thrive in.

Grains are even off limits unless you soak them according to some authors. They consider them anti-nutrients if they are not soaked (got that from Nourishing Traditions article).

Cod liver oil good according to some…horrible according to others. It just goes on and on.

Right now I am following a Paleo diet (not exactly to the “T”)and I am feeling pretty good, so I think I will stick with that unless somebody shares something ground breaking with me.

It would be good if we could get a discussion on some of these topics with your views and maybe some research thrown in to clear some of this up.

Maybe everything in moderation is the best answer? Until then I will eat most things in moderation, however, I will try to completely eliminate refined flours, trans fats, most processed foods b/c I think the research on that is clear enough.

I really think our government/fda is failing us and I don’t know who to trust anymore.

I would greatly appreciate any comments…ideas…views…ect.

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I personally just try to eat as many things straight off local farms as I can most of my meat/dairy and vegetables are from local farms and with the rest I try to get the best quality I can find. I think it is important to just stick with minimally processed foods with lots of diversity and limit sugars. I personally don’t do well with a lot of grain so I keep it at a minimum and the only bread I eat is ezekiel sprouted bread.

When it comes to macronutrient splits you just have to find what works for you.

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[quote]bateager wrote:
It would be good if we could get a discussion on some of these topics with your views and maybe some research thrown in to clear some of this up. [/quote]

There have already been discussion threads on all of these topics. Try reviewing and adding to them.

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Thanks cprio12…good advice

Thank for nothing HK24719…just joking.

I will look some of those threads up or maybe we can continue a fresh discussion here with new ideas since things seem to change every few days about “proper” nutrition.

Anybody on here read the book Nourishing Traditions? Is it worth getting?

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Everything you put in your body effects everyone differently. Some people handle sat fat and cholesterol better than others. End of thread? Thanks for nothing, I know… :stuck_out_tongue: With that said, I think the omega 3 debate is stupid and it’s essentially good for everyone, but who knows.

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[quote]bateager wrote:
I just read some old messages regarding Sat Fat, Cholesterol, Omega 3’s. It seemed like nobody could agree on what is healthy/unhealthy. It seems like recommendations change too often and nobody can decide on what is considered a healthy diet.

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Maybe everything in moderation is the best answer? Until then I will eat most things in moderation, however, I will try to completely eliminate refined flours, trans fats, most processed foods b/c I think the research on that is clear enough.

I really think our government/fda is failing us and I don’t know who to trust anymore.

I would greatly appreciate any comments…ideas…views…ect. [/quote]

fact: cholesterol is not cause/effect; perhaps even “a lie” as it’s all about genetics and inflammation. the more you eat like a hunter/gatherer the better IMO. certainly you are on target with dropping processed foods. maybe check out omnivore’s dilemma or KISS “food rules”

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Thrusxton45,

Thanks for the reply. I did buy food rules, fathead and food inc. about 2 weeks ago.

Is the omnivores dilema worth getting? Any other good resources on nutrition that you can share? I have been looking at the Weston A. Price website a little and like their articles, but again…you never know who to believe anymore.

Just like training programs, I am sure there are lots of different nutrition programs that are great for overall health…I just want find the right one for me.

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[quote]bateager wrote:
Thrusxton45,

Thanks for the reply. I did buy food rules, fathead and food inc. about 2 weeks ago.

Is the omnivores dilema worth getting? Any other good resources on nutrition that you can share? I have been looking at the Weston A. Price website a little and like their articles, but again…you never know who to believe anymore.

Just like training programs, I am sure there are lots of different nutrition programs that are great for overall health…I just want find the right one for me. [/quote]

you seem like a science guy, so that is why i thought of omnivore’s dilemma over food rules. the former being much more detailed than simply stating common sense.

i grew up with the ADA and high-carbs/low fat being “all that” so i know what you mean about who to believe. it’s sort of amazing how little research has really gone into all this… but then again, when you look into it, you find that research cost money and also authors want attention/fame, so that is what drives pubmed.

because it was a life changer, i am just a big fan of jonny bowden “150 healthiest foods” and “7 pillars” as it makes sense that man evolved as an omnivore and for eons ate and thrived as a hunter/gatherer. macros simply do not matter. cholesterol simply does not matter, glycemic scale does not matter, and so on and so forth. what matters is the source of food (ie organic vs non-organic strawberries and naturally grazing cows vs grain fed cows). and, of course, food processing that mostly because of it’s convenience rather than inherent evil but i also find a lot of mental distaste for the obfuscation that things like lo-fat, whole grain, and natural this and that create.

perhaps ironically, my advantage is age. while you can probably eat just about anything you want and still come out a champion, at 46yo but still sort of athletic (and 7-8% BF) i was really shocked at how poor my performance/recovery had become, as well as, this developing bloat to my belly. WTF??

h/g changed all that and my body is now (it took >6-8 months) as enthusiastic as a born-again christian.

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I wish i had the links to the articles & research studies i’ve read, but i don’t. lol. Anyways I completley agree on your notions & resources. I’m a complete believer in cod liver oil via Weston a Price!
Regarding fat: Saturated fat and cholesteral are like the police- we think there bad but there usually there to help

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[quote]bateager wrote:
I even read that Omega 3s easily become rancid in the body. [/quote]
Don’t ditch the omega 3’s, everything I’ve read still indicates they’re legit up until your dosage matches that of the Inuit.

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Cool… I am a fan of Johnny Bowden as well, so I might buy a copy of his book 150 Healthiest Foods or 7 Pillars. Do you have a preference?

Anybody else want to share their favorite nutrition resources, whether it be website, book, DVD,…etc.

Boflex:
Are you also a believer in soaking your grains?

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[quote]bateager wrote:
Cool… I am a fan of Johnny Bowden as well, so I might buy a copy of his book 150 Healthiest Foods or 7 Pillars. Do you have a preference?

Anybody else want to share their favorite nutrition resources, whether it be website, book, DVD,…etc.

Boflex:
Are you also a believer in soaking your grains? [/quote]

Everything to a certian extent…I don’t like the quote in moderation. I think some things just shouldn’t be done.
I’ve always been really into nutrition & health, I majored in it & have several certifications… What i’ve gotten really into is raw food. If I had to pick the healthiest way to live & eat-- it would be following that diet to a certian extent.

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Well, for starters, there’s an article called “Seven Things You need to Know about Fat” which has quite a bit of useful info and probably a better way of looking at what fats to eat and which to avoid.

About the “paleo” diet. You said you don"t follow it exactly, which is good. “Paleo people” didn’t eat like that because it was good for body comp, they did it because that’s all there was. You still need your carbs for any type of athletic performance.

Btw, I’ve only been doing this for about 6 or 7 months, but I’ll eat mostly “paleo Style” and then have more carbs around workouts. Seems to work pretty well.

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Is organic butter from grass fed pastured cows? Is it organic because they don’t give the cows hormones and anti-biotics?

If the cows were grain fed they would have to give anti-biotics to get rid of the e.coli…correct? From what I understand feeding cows grains may cause the cows to get e.coli, so they would have to give anti-biotics. ???

I have gotten both organic butter and butter that is from pastured cows, but is there a difference?

Thanks