HGH, What Can I Realistically Expect?

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[quote]Electric_E wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Well I don’t ‘calculate’ it as such. It’s more based upon observation of personal changes in both the long and the short term effects of carbohydrate manipulation.

I am an ecto anyway, so that tells me that my glucose metabolism system is fairly active.

I can eat a decent amount of carbs (50-60% of my daily intake of cals - roughly) and thrive. However, more than that, even with low GI carbs, I can get ‘smooth’ quite quickly.

Even if I eat sugar early in the day, it’s no problem for me, though I will retain a bit of water over the abs.

As long as I limit carbs in the evenings, I can stay lean easily.

Just things that work for my body and lifestyle basically, nothing revolutionary.

I think that most people who have been listening to their body for more than a couple of years, know how they as an individual react to different macronutrients. and/or foodstuffs.

Bushy

Ok cheers, calculate was a bad word to use.

I think I have a rather low tolerance, this morning I looked at a piece of bread and I had to up my belt a notch!

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Yep it’s pretty much like Bushy said. I had to tinker around doing the AD like Cadav for quite a while, and then experimenting with difft carb eating scenarios etc, to finally get a pretty good grip on my limits accurately.
I’m at the same parameters as Cadav basicly. Right on 100 to maintain bf%. Also a big difference cutting and splitting the two macros with protein as you probably know. Morning pro/cho, afternoon,evening pro/fat. Difft cut off times work better or worse. For me cutting off cho immediately after post wkout, is optimal. Nontraining days I’ll stop it at 12:00 to 1:00pm. Training might stretch it to around 2:00pm give or take a half hour. But that gets soaked up nicely by the muscle cells due to the slin spike and depletion of gycogen at said point.

                Great thread btw.

Oh and I too am interested in what the rough estimate on cost is for as Cadav mentioned, around 3-4IU/day for 3-4 months?

                 ToneBone
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[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Well I don’t ‘calculate’ it as such. It’s more based upon observation of personal changes in both the long and the short term effects of carbohydrate manipulation.

I am an ecto anyway, so that tells me that my glucose metabolism system is fairly active.

I can eat a decent amount of carbs (50-60% of my daily intake of cals - roughly) and thrive. However, more than that, even with low GI carbs, I can get ‘smooth’ quite quickly.

Even if I eat sugar early in the day, it’s no problem for me, though I will retain a bit of water over the abs.

As long as I limit carbs in the evenings, I can stay lean easily.

Just things that work for my body and lifestyle basically, nothing revolutionary.

I think that most people who have been listening to their body for more than a couple of years, know how they as an individual react to different macronutrients. and/or foodstuffs.

Bushy

Ok cheers, calculate was a bad word to use.

I think I have a rather low tolerance, this morning I looked at a piece of bread and I had to up my belt a notch!

Yep it’s pretty much like Bushy said. I had to tinker around doing the AD like Cadav for quite a while, and then experimenting with difft carb eating scenarios etc, to finally get a pretty good grip on my limits accurately.
I’m at the same parameters as Cadav basicly. Right on 100 to maintain bf%. Also a big difference cutting and splitting the two macros with protein as you probably know. Morning pro/cho, afternoon,evening pro/fat. Difft cut off times work better or worse. For me cutting off cho immediately after post wkout, is optimal. Nontraining days I’ll stop it at 12:00 to 1:00pm. Training might stretch it to around 2:00pm give or take a half hour. But that gets soaked up nicely by the muscle cells due to the slin spike and depletion of gycogen at said point.

                Great thread btw.

Oh and I too am interested in what the rough estimate on cost is for as Cadav mentioned, around 3-4IU/day for 3-4 months?

                 ToneBone[/quote]

Let’s see:

Jintropin for me will cost £200 per 100iu

Hygetropin will cost £150 per 100iu

So if you did 3 iu a day, 5 days on and 2 days off this would cost:

Jin: £120 per month
Hyge: £90 per month

At 4iu a day:

Jin: £160 per month
Hyge: £120 a month

If I do it I will do 4iu a day 5 on 2 off, still looking into Metformin, I got busted by my wife tonight, who is supportive of my AAS use, but she over heard me talking about metf and gave me a real fucking lecture and states I better not do it under any circumstance!

Shame I have already ordered some :slight_smile:

haha

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
To be honest mate, I dunno.

Obviously it’s not ideal, but it’s no where near as bad as a 3 week break in the middle of a steroid cycle.

Might be a good idea to taper down and back up, after the holiday.

Lucky bugger. Wish I was going away this summer. All I’ve got is exams, and then its into the chiro clinic, for my final year as a stoodent.

Bushy[/quote]

I do not even want to go!

We go to Greece each year to visit the wifes family and I get bored to shit, last year I did not go and had a whole month at home with no wife and kids, I did renovate the bathroom, garage and garden in that time, but this year she refuses to go without me so I have to go :frowning:

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E_E you are a lucky bastard!
the price you point out are really good! i have found only twice as expansive source!!!

[roid rage]
ARGH!
:smiley:

lucky bastard!! :slight_smile:
[/roid rage]

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BUMP

Ok guys I am thinking I will use Hygetropin, but I am struggling to find the manufacturers website so I can check the validity of any Gh I buy, does anyone know the correct website for hygetropin? I have seen a few and they are not very professional looking sites and some have totally different pictures of hyge. If you know of the correct website can you PM it to me pls

Also I am not sure about the dosage I have had very good advice from a knowledgeable vet about doing 7 iu 3 days a week instead of 4iu 5 days a week, does anyone else care to comment on this?

One of the reasons 4iu a day was good for me was that the hyge comes in 8iu vials, so its easy to split one vial into two shots EOD.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
What are your goals again?

If cutting then I still think low, ED protocols are best.

Bushy[/quote]

I am hopeing for a complete body composition change, bulk/cut/bulk/cut had not worked well for me, i have managed to add a bit of lean mass on the upper body but I cannot shift the abdo fat, I have tried a few different diets and training programs and the best cutting results U got also resulted in too much loss of lean mass.

This will be in that case a cutting cycle, although I hope to retain almost all of my lean mass.

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Awesome thread EE. I am very interested in your imminent cycle. Just out of curiosity, have you considered IGF1 lr3? If so, why did you choose to run HGH instead? thx.

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[quote]sushi wrote:
Awesome thread EE. I am very interested in your imminent cycle. Just out of curiosity, have you considered IGF1 lr3? If so, why did you choose to run HGH instead? thx.[/quote]

I am hoping to beneifit from the other benifits of HGH over IGF1, mainly a decrease in abdo fat

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Ok I have had a few PM’s from people saying that they have found this thread helpful so I will keep bumping it with questions and hopefully some of the vets will keep bumping it with answers :smiley:

Cheers

  1. Is it Ok to use a 192aa HGH formula, or should I strive to get a 191aa compound even if this means spending more money on the 191aa?

  2. I read that once a persons epippyseal plates Are closed (normally at around 30 years old) your bones can no longer grow, so the stories I have heard of people actually gaining in height during HGH use is BS then?

  3. Would you recommend pinning once or twice a day? And at what times? I was planning on pinning once a day early in the morning each day.

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According to a Dr. Rudman’s study, growth deficient children had a better clinical response to smaller doses at more regular injection.

Those that received daily injections increased their hieght during the study period by 9.7cm more than those who recieved injections 3 times a week.

I have now read a lot of research backing lower doses ar regular intervals, and not any evidence (other than personal preference from some vets) to support larger doses less frequently.

I will therefore be taking 4iu a day 5 days a week

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I would stay with the 191aa. Ive heard the others can feel more like a bee sting after injection. The 191 you barely feel.

Id also split that 4iu up into shots 2xday since your goal is more or less a body composition change from fat loss.

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Cheers Liilguy, I will be coming out of the drugs clinic with a rather large box next week then!

Do you agree that HGH should not be injected late at night to prevent it interupting your own natural HGH production?

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most people recommend doing it first thing when you wake so that your natural GH is already high and there is less of a negative feedback (kinda tricks you body into thinking it’s natural)…not sure if it actually works but that is a common dosing time. of course the other shot is around workout time.

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ttt.

some threads on met:

http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1105789

http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=2069145

Good thread and would like to see some progress info down the road…

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Like I sai, I always got great results doing 5ius/day. 2.5 in the morning, 2.5 after the workout. But I always went seven days a week, not sure why you wouldn’t do it everyday.

-M

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Like I sai, I always got great results doing 5ius/day. 2.5 in the morning, 2.5 after the workout. But I always went seven days a week, not sure why you wouldn’t do it everyday.

-M

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GH is a strange drug. It definitely worked best for me over a long period of time. I took it for about 9 months straight and moved up a weight class and placed 3rd in a national level NPC contest. I had been competing every year for 6 years at the time and never moved up so much in weight from one year to the next (while coming in just as conditioned).

It does not promote rapid gains but over the long term it changes the look of your body. I took it with insulin and aas about the entire time.

Also, I was using low doses because I just could not afford to use a high dose. I think 2-4ius a day was what I used. I know guys who were using 9ius a day.
I would love to take it again but only if I could afford the right dose over a long period of time.