Everybody knows about bitch tits, but what other non-muscular changes does one experience on steroids or hgh? I remember hearing hgh users eventually get an enlarged heart muscle and forehead.
I was just curious, not really considerig a cycle ay time soon. I mean, these drugs are systemically absorbed and affect alot of types of tissue. I mean, during puberty everything changes.
Any thoughts?
My roomate used 5iu of gh a day for 6 months and his wrist grew 1". He had to get all his watchbands replaced.
do you mean the bones in his wrist grew?
I met a guy once who said it made his jaw more square and pronounced, but he was kind of an idiot.
I would think bone growth plateswould have closed and this wouldnt be possible.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
milktruck wrote:
do you mean the bones in his wrist grew?
I met a guy once who said it made his jaw more square and pronounced, but he was kind of an idiot.
I would think bone growth plateswould have closed and this wouldnt be possible.
Hahaha, I think that Viking was taking the piss (he does that…), though I don’t know him well enough to be sure. He did post about how 4 out of 5 dbol users in his gym died from it, so I think its fair to assume that he IS taking the piss.
There seems to be a lot of recent interest here about GH, and a fair amount of misinformation regarding its side effects…
Agromegaly is a disease that you either have or you don’t. If you have it then taking GH is about the worst thing you can do (unless you WANT to look like Herman Munster), but if you don’t have it then a moderate amount (maybe less than 6iu ED) should definitely NOT cause bone or other organs to enlarge.
I certainly hope not as I am planning a decent run of the stuff very soon… 
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I certainly hope you are confident about that. Have you ever seen someone with acromeggally? probably not, Anyways it’s usually a condition caused by a pituitary tumor, and involves an excessive production of gh. if you use supraphysiological levels of gh, you will be duplicating this causing acromeggally to occur.
Now of course the longer you are on the stuff the worse you’ll look. - Just look at the faces of some of the top BB, and you’ll know what I mean. Additionally you’ll have increases in growth of smooth muscle and the internal organs. This will cause abdominal distension.
I viewed a nephrectomy about a year and a half ago - even got to hold the kidney. The surgeon told me that when you take out a kidney the patient loses a good 3-4 inches in the waist, So you can imagine how the growth of these organs can have the opposite effect.
And never mind your risks for cancer!!!
As for the closure of the epipheseal plates - that is just on the end of the long bones, therefore all bones can grow thicker and grow out at disgusting angles e.t.c.
The only reason I would use gh is for hrt. This is the only realitively safe and effective application.
The gains per $$ arn’t there, and the potential for life threatening side effects are much worse than steroids.
And frankly if you arn’t a proffessional BB with you procard, and a good chance of making lots of coin, then the use of this drug is definitly not worth it.
Bush is right, I usually am taking a piss, but in this case I was serious.
An old roomate of mine actually experienced an increase in his wrist size to the point where he had to take his rolex in to get the band made larger. This was in about 6 months. His whole body definately changed. He quit lifting weights about three years ago and today when I see him he still has an extra 20lbs of muscle, and is still fairly strong.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Hmmm, OK well thats interesting that you personally know someone that this happened to. I am mildly concerned LOL, and will definitely be keeping a close eye on things.
Couple of questions… How old was he when he started and did he really only use 5iu ED (though that dose for 6 mnths is what I would consider to be high).
OH yes - how does he look now, both in face and body?
Thanks
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My roomate was 23 during his experiment with GH. Oh to be young, dumb, in the military, and with money after a deployment.
Far as I know he stayed at a dose of 5iu ed(no days off but sunday), but knowing him he might have exceeded that. I’ll shoot him an email about it… now I am curious.
During that he took test and a few other hormones for a couple cycles. There was no other noted differences, other than a growing wrist size, but I did notice a change in whole. His skin, for lack of a more heterosexual term, was “glowing”. He was in a great mood the entire 6 months which is quite rare for him. He also was full of energy, in comparison to his life on the couch pre GH. No matter what he ate he gained weight and lost bodyfat to a ridiculous low level. I think he gained 30 lbs while losing bodyfat.
His face and everything else stayed the same, but his forearms grew a few inches in diameter and so did his calfs and neck, which both are still huge today and the guy doesnt work out.
But there was something else I didnt notice until years later. He still carries around a shitload of muscle and doesnt do anything to keep it. I draggged him back into a gym after a three year layoff for him and he was still strong as an ox, which he was average before. I will run some gh someday, but it will be at “life extension” levels and I will probably save it for my late 30’s.
From now on I will take THE piss, not a piss… Bollocks
It changes you permanently, i used it for 3 years more or less non-stop along with high doses of other androgens. Threre are good and bad points to it. On the bad side i would have to say my waist is larger permanently probably do have some organ issues, my hands and wrists or larger, my shoulders are more broad. The good part of this is…after EXTENSIVE testing my internal medicine specialist who is also my HRT guy says i have no permanent damage as far as the health and function of my organs. The other good thinig is that even though i don’t cycle anymore at all i have maintained almost all of my size, i was 290 and bloated like a pig when i was at my largest, now i float between 260 at 270 and i only take a 200mg dose of test once per week as prescribed by my doctor. So do i regret it…no. WOuld i follow the same path again…probably not but whats done is done. I would suggest 4iu or less per day, actually if you are using pharmacy derived GH 4 iu per day will proabbaly be too much because your wrists will hurt too much. On domestic pharmacy GH i never took more than 3 iu per day split into two 1.5iu shots.
The only reason I would use gh is for hrt. This is the only realitively safe and effective application.
I agree completly
The gains per $$ arn’t there, and the potential for life threatening side effects are much worse than steroids.
P22 is right dollar for dollar its a waste of money.
And frankly if you arn’t a proffessional BB with you procard, and a good chance of making lots of coin, then the use of this drug is definitly not worth it.[/quote]
Correct, i spent close to 10k on GH and for what, OK im bigger than most people…yippeee!
Well so far despite what P-22 said, which usually isn’t the case for me ;-), I can’t see a reason to not run say 4 iu’s ed for 3 months or so.ALongside a cycle of tren, prop, masteron, primo, and var. And then not used it again until I’m in my mid to late 30’s. Especially considering the price? Ehh we’ll see.
well again that is using GH from a pharmacy and not chinese stuff, there is a difference in both quality and price(of course). Not that the chinese stuff is not any good but the difference is huge regardless of what anyone tells you.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
10K???
Holy shit! Yeah that kind of money would definitely make me stay away from GH… Make me po’ too!
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well i have used both, actually i have used, humatrope, nutropin aq, nutropin depot, serostim, chinese generic, jintropin, gentropin, so i would guess that would qualify my opinion on the matter, if someone is telling you that the chinese stuff is better than the US domestic pharmacy stuff than my guess is they are probably involved in selling the chinese stuff because there is absolutely no comparison between the two.
The best IMO is Nutropin aq or Lilly humatrope, either was far better than the chinese stuff. But for how cheap the chinese stuff is its worth a shot, i am just saying you will never know exactly what you can get out of GH until you know you are getting the good stuff.
[quote]morepain wrote:
It changes you permanently, i used it for 3 years more or less non-stop along with high doses of other androgens. Threre are good and bad points to it. On the bad side i would have to say my waist is larger permanently probably do have some organ issues, my hands and wrists or larger, my shoulders are more broad. The good part of this is…after EXTENSIVE testing my internal medicine specialist who is also my HRT guy says i have no permanent damage as far as the health and function of my organs. The other good thinig is that even though i don’t cycle anymore at all i have maintained almost all of my size, i was 290 and bloated like a pig when i was at my largest, now i float between 260 at 270 and i only take a 200mg dose of test once per week as prescribed by my doctor. So do i regret it…no. WOuld i follow the same path again…probably not but whats done is done. I would suggest 4iu or less per day, actually if you are using pharmacy derived GH 4 iu per day will proabbaly be too much because your wrists will hurt too much. On domestic pharmacy GH i never took more than 3 iu per day split into two 1.5iu shots.[/quote]
I have been running gh for about 5 months now at low levels 2.5iu’s 5 days a week. I just jumped myself up to 3iu’s 5 days a week. My wrist’s have been hurting. My gh is from a compound pharmacy, so the quality is there. I am also running Test Enth and Winny so I think that might have something to do with the wrist pain. I guess this response is not really a question, I just felt maybe it offered some relevance to the discussion.
I just thought of a couple questions.
So like I stated in my prior response, I am taking gh at 3iu’s a day. However I have been taking it all in the morning. Would it be better to be splitting this dose up like 1.5iu’s in the morning and 1.5iu’s in at night?
My other question is about Testosterone for anti-aging use with gh. This question might not be able to be answered in general terms, but are lower doses of testosterone when taken with gh supposed to promote fat loss? Or does the Test primarily serve as the “muscle builder” I have been wondering that for some time now. Because it seems that I have an abundant supply of Test from the Pharmacy available to me.