Is there any lifelong side effects associated with metformin or any kind of insulin manupilations?
IMO there are very few long term side effects with sane AAS use but touching insulin sensitivity and the like seems a tad different, but I dont know much about the subject matter.
You (bushi) seem to imply it actually helps, that it actually is a health benefit in the long run. Am I interpreting this right? … and is it a known fact?
Not that this is really informative…but my friend who I have been friends with for a really long time had got a prescription for GH because he wasn’t growing in height. It was weird though after a year or so being on it his body totally changed. He became leaner…his chest grew, his arms grew alot, he just looked like he lifted weights and wasn’t even lifting yet.
By the time we started really lifted together he was already 18 and had stopped taking it, so who knows how much it would have changed his body in combination with training…
[quote]SwD wrote:
Is there any lifelong side effects associated with metformin or any kind of insulin manupilations?
IMO there are very few long term side effects with sane AAS use but touching insulin sensitivity and the like seems a tad different, but I dont know much about the subject matter.
You (bushi) seem to imply it actually helps, that it actually is a health benefit in the long run. Am I interpreting this right? … and is it a known fact?
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Here is the best relative information I have found so far with more helpful links included in the thread.
Bushy,
What is a good starting regimen of the met, for someone like me who can’t tolerate carbs as well as you.
I do fine if I keep my CHO at around 100 or less daily with high GI only post wkout.
Just wondering what you would suggest for me.
Sorry for the hijack EE.
ToneBone
That’s what I call a great answer bushi! To me, insulin use or optimisation is an unknown and seem on the outside as a bit extreme, so scary by definition.
Your post makes a lot of sense. And everyone that has done a HGH-AAS combo seem pleases, and those adding on metformin even more so. So I’m not on to disregard great info, and Life Extensionists and athletes often have similar outlooks on certain approach.
As for the link, I’ll look into it later, E_E. Thanks.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
However I’m sure E_E will soon speak up on his own behalf, lol.
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Thanks for that Bushy, I was trying to compose a witty and eloquent retort all evening, but to be honest I think I have stretched myself intellectually in telling him to “shut the fuck up” so I will have to just leave it at that.
Wow bushy, that thread damn near make’s a man feel like snorting an anadrol “50” or two.
[quote]Electric_E wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
However I’m sure E_E will soon speak up on his own behalf, lol.
Bushy
Thanks for that Bushy, I was trying to compose a witty and eloquent retort all evening, but to be honest I think I have stretched myself intellectually in telling him to “shut the fuck up” so I will have to just leave it at that.
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I’m sorry about trolling your thread. Us Lincolnshire hillbillies have to stick together!! ;D
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
Bushy,
What is a good starting regimen of the met, for someone like me who can’t tolerate carbs as well as you.
I do fine if I keep my CHO at around 100 or less daily with high GI only post wkout.
Just wondering what you would suggest for me.
Sorry for the hijack EE.
ToneBone
Sorry mate, didn’t mean to ignore your valid question but I swear this post wasn’t visible las time I opened this thread…
As I said before, starting on just half a 500 or 850mg tab, until your guts get used to it, is a good idea.
If you tolerate carbs less well than me, then that would seem to suggest a greater need for the metformin, with consequently even better results.
Obviously, the current approach of dietary manipulation is the ‘proper’ way to do things, so it’s not like you are taking the first available shortcut, like nmost of the type II indolent patients out there. In fact I would say that since you’ve tried the dietary approach, you are perfectly justified in jumping on the met. I think that in the long term, you could really enjoy the results 
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Thanks B,
I’ll look you up if and when I get my hands on a bit of it.
TBN
very intresting topic EE!
and bushy… you have always a lot of think to teach! 
i’m also planning to play with GH soon (GH only … now i’m consindering metformin :P)
However i know i have a very low tollerance to carbo. Using metformin can give me some trouble due to my low tollerance to carbo? I’m on anabolic diet since december and planning to use it for a very long time period.
Also… looking for HGH which “brand” should i consider?
I have benn looking nto carb tolerance, I am intertested how do you guys (Tone & Dr. Bushy) calculate your carb tolerance please
Cheers
As bushy i too follow the same “trial and listen” system, and i know i can’t eat more than 80-100gr of carbo/day.
My carb metabolism is really weak (member of my family have diabet on both mom and dad side, my mother has type 2 diabet… should i steal her metf? :D…joking…)
back on topic… how much cost a 4 months (which seems the minum lenght to get intresting gain in LBM and cutting of fat) of GH? which dosage? 3? 4UI?
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Well I don’t ‘calculate’ it as such. It’s more based upon observation of personal changes in both the long and the short term effects of carbohydrate manipulation.
I am an ecto anyway, so that tells me that my glucose metabolism system is fairly active.
I can eat a decent amount of carbs (50-60% of my daily intake of cals - roughly) and thrive. However, more than that, even with low GI carbs, I can get ‘smooth’ quite quickly.
Even if I eat sugar early in the day, it’s no problem for me, though I will retain a bit of water over the abs.
As long as I limit carbs in the evenings, I can stay lean easily.
Just things that work for my body and lifestyle basically, nothing revolutionary.
I think that most people who have been listening to their body for more than a couple of years, know how they as an individual react to different macronutrients. and/or foodstuffs.
Bushy
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Ok cheers, calculate was a bad word to use.
I think I have a rather low tolerance, this morning I looked at a piece of bread and I had to up my belt a notch!
If I do decide to go on HGH I have a holiday booked in August and will be away for 3 weeks would a 3 week gap of non usage be a problem?