Apparently there are products that can stimulate HGH much like Trib stimulates Test.
Has anyone ever tried these supps? Did it work? What were the results?
Sample link below:
No they don’t work, even if they could magically cause some miniscule elevation of your GH levels it would not be enough to matter. Even real GH taken in small amounts is realtively ineffective, combined with insulin and large amounts of androgens then it works well but only in larger doses. if you want to use something that works like GH just use GH bro, its pretty easy to come by.
Also note all the “research” they cite is research on real injectable GH not their bogus supplement. Even then most of the claims floating around about GH therapy are a little far fetched, its not the fountain of youth. I have used nearly every bracd on the market domestic and otherwise and trust me at 35 i still pretty much look like umm 35, yeah i am healthy and pretty big but all this turn the clock back 20 years stuff is just crap.
These types of amino acid secretagogues have been on the supplement market for about 20 years, with some marginal research to back them up. They seem to be about as effective as a high protein/low carb diet in their ability to stimulate growth hormone release, but nothing dramatic.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Apparently there are products that can stimulate HGH much like Trib stimulates Test.
Has anyone ever tried these supps? Did it work? What were the results?
Sample link below:
http://www.genf20.com/science.html[/quote]
I have done a lot of research on this. It is hard to do because there is so much useless and ripoff HGH stuff that comes up on searches. I have talked to HGH clinics as well.
Read the book: “Grow Young with HGH” by Dr Ronald Klatz as well.
The amino acids that do what is reported in search can work well for a few, for others is does nothing more than release the HGH that was going to release soon, all at once and now. So the net daily production might not change much. My anti-aging doc has seen that it does not do much, but does have one female who did get a good improvement in IGF-1 levels. Testing IGF-1 is expensive and you would need a baseline test, then get on the amino acids and use them for months, then test again to see if you are wasting your money. Some short term results fade out so the trial period has to be long enough to get past that.
Some get the diarrhea from the amino acids.
For someone older who is feeling down, they could try the amino acids and see if that made them feel better. For someone young with good levels of HGH already, they might not feel any changes.
The Chinese HGH would be a good if one could get that! Otherwise only the wealth seem to have any hope for this.
By amino acids, ae you talking about the LBA that is sold here and other places?
I would also be careful of backroom HGH. From what I understand a good deal of it comes from Eastern European countries of the fomer Soviet block. They are not real big on quality control over there.
[quote]KSman wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Apparently there are products that can stimulate HGH much like Trib stimulates Test.
Has anyone ever tried these supps? Did it work? What were the results?
Sample link below:
http://www.genf20.com/science.html
I have done a lot of research on this. It is hard to do because there is so much useless and ripoff HGH stuff that comes up on searches. I have talked to HGH clinics as well.
Read the book: “Grow Young with HGH” by Dr Ronald Klatz as well.
The amino acids that do what is reported in search can work well for a few, for others is does nothing more than release the HGH that was going to release soon, all at once and now. So the net daily production might not change much. My anti-aging doc has seen that it does not do much, but does have one female who did get a good improvement in IGF-1 levels. Testing IGF-1 is expensive and you would need a baseline test, then get on the amino acids and use them for months, then test again to see if you are wasting your money. Some short term results fade out so the trial period has to be long enough to get past that.
Some get the diarrhea from the amino acids.
For someone older who is feeling down, they could try the amino acids and see if that made them feel better. For someone young with good levels of HGH already, they might not feel any changes.
The Chinese HGH would be a good if one could get that! Otherwise only the wealth seem to have any hope for this.[/quote]
Some insurance policies will actually cover hormone replacement. If not then there are many many domestic sources for imported GH, its not hard to find, there are tons of new ones out now but if you are going to go the chinese route i would suggest Jinotropin mainly because it has a fairly well documented track record.
Good sleep is the best HGH stimulator.
A health newsletter I receive which I consider very reliable and of the highest integrity points to a product called Symbiotropin. I would order it to try it but it can’t be shipped to Canada.
[quote]summa wrote:
A health newsletter I receive which I consider very reliable and of the highest integrity points to a product called Symbiotropin. I would order it to try it but it can’t be shipped to Canada. [/quote]
Just another me too very expensive product. This one is amino acids and you could buy and mix from bulk for little cost. Some other products are homeopathic rubbish. Read what I said above about how some respond to amino acid GH releasers. Some work for a while only then its over. Some do create a realease but the 24 hour amounts are not increased significantly.
Most sites on the web selling rHGH are scams, you send money and its gone. Example of a scam site: jintropin-gensci.us Google that and read about all the folks who lost there money.
Edited for spelling.
[quote]morepain wrote:
Some insurance policies will actually cover hormone replacement.
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Mine does. (20 dollar co-pay) Apparently my GH level is only half of what it should be.
Im not jumping into that fray though, at least not yet.
KSman is right on, with his posts!
Back in the 80’s there was some research done that drew a correlation between the ingestion of the free form amino acids L-Arginine and L-Ornithine in a 2 to one ratio (2 time arginine to 1 ornithine) that this caused the pituitary gland to secret excess amounts of HGH.
As it turned out the correlation was bogus to some extent. Like KSman said, it did, in some subjects work for a short time. Others (like me) get the dreaded “D” symptom.
Just like the L-Glutamine deal, a little research, poor results, and a grandiose conclusion had the supplement community jumping on the band wagon to produce HGH stimulators.
In both cases later research demonstrated that the original results were inconclusive and the “theory” about their effect unsupported.
As we all know, there is no magic bullet that will make you gain muscle. Hard work, good diet, plenty of quality protein.
[quote]starsil9 wrote:
As we all know, there is no magic bullet that will make you gain muscle. Hard work, good diet, plenty of quality protein.[/quote]
Shh, don’t let the supplement companies hear you talking.
[quote]starsil9 wrote:
KSman is right on, with his posts!
Back in the 80’s there was some research done that drew a correlation between the ingestion of the free form amino acids L-Arginine and L-Ornithine in a 2 to one ratio (2 time arginine to 1 ornithine) that this caused the pituitary gland to secret excess amounts of HGH.
As it turned out the correlation was bogus to some extent. Like KSman said, it did, in some subjects work for a short time. Others (like me) get the dreaded “D” symptom.
Just like the L-Glutamine deal, a little research, poor results, and a grandiose conclusion had the supplement community jumping on the band wagon to produce HGH stimulators.
In both cases later research demonstrated that the original results were inconclusive and the “theory” about their effect unsupported.
As we all know, there is no magic bullet that will make you gain muscle. Hard work, good diet, plenty of quality protein.[/quote]
Ever hear of Steroids?
Dang. Wish I had signed up for the forum earlier. I just bought one month’s supply of GenF20 and got a free bottle - so that two months. I will continue until the money back guarantee period says then request my money back.
I also post any good/bad results I have.
It just sounds too good to be true. And you know what that usually means.
[quote]starsil9 wrote:
KSman is right on, with his posts!
Back in the 80’s there was some research done that drew a correlation between the ingestion of the free form amino acids L-Arginine and L-Ornithine in a 2 to one ratio (2 time arginine to 1 ornithine) that this caused the pituitary gland to secret excess amounts of HGH.
As it turned out the correlation was bogus to some extent. Like KSman said, it did, in some subjects work for a short time. Others (like me) get the dreaded “D” symptom.
Just like the L-Glutamine deal, a little research, poor results, and a grandiose conclusion had the supplement community jumping on the band wagon to produce HGH stimulators.
In both cases later research demonstrated that the original results were inconclusive and the “theory” about their effect unsupported.
As we all know, there is no magic bullet that will make you gain muscle. Hard work, good diet, plenty of quality protein.[/quote]
What is the “D” symptom you are talking about? I purchased a bottle of the two from GNC and have been taking it before workouts for a few days and it seems to be doing some things for me. Mostly energy and making me want to stay at the gym for longer.
[quote]starsil9 wrote:
KSman is right on, with his posts!
Back in the 80’s there was some research done that drew a correlation between the ingestion of the free form amino acids L-Arginine and L-Ornithine in a 2 to one ratio (2 time arginine to 1 ornithine) that this caused the pituitary gland to secret excess amounts of HGH.
As it turned out the correlation was bogus to some extent. Like KSman said, it did, in some subjects work for a short time. Others (like me) get the dreaded “D” symptom.
Just like the L-Glutamine deal, a little research, poor results, and a grandiose conclusion had the supplement community jumping on the band wagon to produce HGH stimulators.
In both cases later research demonstrated that the original results were inconclusive and the “theory” about their effect unsupported.
As we all know, there is no magic bullet that will make you gain muscle. Hard work, good diet, plenty of quality protein.[/quote]
What is the “D” symptom you are talking about? I purchased a bottle of the two from GNC and have been taking it before workouts for a few days and it seems to be doing some things for me. Mostly energy and making me want to stay at the gym for longer.