Did you get labs done, or just by feel? I am of the opinion after looking at research that the only thing that compares on a cost per effect is MK. The issue is you can’t just add more and more to get to a level that HGH would get you to.
I doubt insurance would pay for it. If it is out of pocket, I couldn’t afford it (well I could, but wouldn’t). Some are paying $500-1000/mo for pharma GH.
Insurance def won’t pay but this doc doesn’t kill me on costs of treatments. Like I mentioned above. My trt script is $80 for 10 weeks. From what I’ve seen a lot pay that for half a month or even a week at a clinic.
Ill play his game with the peptide for now and see where it goes. I have an issue with having compounds around in my house so if this isn’t going like I want and the vile gets switched out with a “non script” vial than it’s less headache for me if you know where I’m going with this…
Test is cheap at any pharmacy in the US, won’t matter how much he takes care of you, growth from a pharmacy is outrages.
I looked up the prices of generic HGH yesterday and even though I’m still under 30, I seriously thought about ordering some and run it half a year because it was so cheap haha
(Decided against that because HGH isn’t on the menu for me for decades probably, but I would like to just try it, damn)
Yes I got labs and my IGF1 went from horrible to horrible. Almost below range both times.
Why is this?
I don’t disagree but show me a clinic that will prescribe 200mg/wk test for $8/week.
Private, for sure that’s an awesome deal. The place I went before going private was $4 a month lol now I’m 225/3months
The hassle of injecting that often, the price (even if o could afford it, it would not be intelligent to do so) and then the fact that my own GH is probably where it should be and I’ll wait till I need it or would really benefit from it. Right now I’m good.
Also side effects, even if they are minor, is something I want to avoid if the reward is not significantly greater and matches what I need.
But it’s tempting if it’s true that there’s nearly no shutdown and the price is ok. Would cost me 500$ for over 4 months of 3 IUs.
Damn! Now that’s a hookup!
I would have to know the variance of measuring error.
Judging by the chart it seems that both would be considered low normal.
And I would like to know how much does a person’s IGF-1 varies through a 24 hours period. And from day to day depending on external factors. There are just too many unknown factors (at least to me) for just what appears a small improvement.
From my understanding they are pretty stable for testing purposes and not like other pulsatile hormones
Your numbers are about where mine were. I need to test igf-1 while on the mk. Some get crazy results with it, like in the 300s. I need to confirm if it’s working though as it is individual. Look up some of the stuff on YouTube. To me it seems to blow away the injectable peptides, and is a fraction of the cost.
Good question. You’re around 40 right?
I’m very much leaning on the side of try it for 6 months. I’m not very well versed in GH literature. I read some studies, but most relating GH/IGF-1 levels to primary outcome measures do so epidemiologically without defining mechanisms. (More below) That’s difficult to interpret. Does lower GH increase life span in women or doesn’t it? I don’t know. There’s studies but no study with which I could answer this (or many other questions).
One thing that has been found is higher GH/IGF-1 is linked to lower LDL and higher HDL. Is that because of the mechanism or because people with higher IGF-1 are in better shape, as IGF-1 generally improves body composition? I don’t know. I really would like to know as I know you struggle a bit with cholesterol. My guess is cholesterol improves a bit on GH.
Here’s a symptom list of GH deficiency from a review:
So too low a level has bad consequences. But of the symptoms you can evaluate, how many do you got? My guess is your level is fine but maybe not optimal but that is not something I can determine from numbers as it is individual. That’s why I tend to “try it” because then you would know if higher is optimal or if your body is good as it is.
Here’s some interesting stuff I found which you can read, if you didn’t already, to be better informed about possible upsides and downsides. (Just a few studies that I think are done well or provide value to you)
In this review a study is mentioned which tries to provide a mechanism for LDL increase with low IGF-1. I would definitely read this review before taking GH, even if it’s in regard to metabolic disease. It encompasses a lot of what you need to know.
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/endocrj1993/46/4/46_4_605/_pdf/-char/en
That’s what I can provide. To make it short, I’d probably do it for 6-12 months with a replacement dose that puts you in midrange to upper third of IGF-1 and then judge afterwards. To optimally judge it, I’d get blood in the beginning, mid and end (for metabolic consequences) and I’d take a questionnaire from some psychological study which evaluates well being and do that as well, beginning, mid, end. Must be at least 3 months apart otherwise you remember the questions and what you did.
Edit: the reasoning behind my suggestion here is with a replacement dose which puts you at higher IGF-1 levels but not over the range you could see what an increase inside the boundaries of physiological range can provide without screwing glucose metabolism or getting carpal tunnel. Because the dose is lower (like < 2 IU per day) you would run that longer to see results. If there are no side effects and improvements in different markers and well-being, you could do this long-term. I heard about doing higher doses long term but I’m skeptical about that being good for your health even though I can’t provide hard evidence. I err on the side of caution here.
Hope I could help.
Edit: I read your first post again and it sounds more like you want to run it solely for aesthetic purposes. I thought since you interpret your levels as too low, it was more of an optimization thing. I think most of the stuff above applies still. But if you don’t care about being too low or good, but about the gainz, then you can skip the assessment “am I low or not”. I wouldn’t take more than 3 IUs. Also, it seems growth hormone is really effective even in low doses and in “cycles” of 8-16 weeks in increasing lean body mass and decreasing BF (I’m not saying you should do that, just saying that it seems more effective than people give it credit for). So no need to go overboard with it. I’d rather go longer than higher in dose.
On CJC/Ipa my IGF-1 barely budged. On Tesa/Ipa it actually went above 300, so I’ll be going back to that. It’s more $$, but still cheaper than real HGH
I’ve priced out peptides from doctors and GH from the black market. The GH ends up being cheaper and actually works.
Good point. I was thinking doc rx’d GH, but yes UGL stuff is much cheaper. Been tempted to try it
If you good stuff, it works great. I’ve had friends who did not and when they got tested, their GH was in the toilet.
Alright, decided to go for it. Able to get pharma HGH pens at a very good price. Only caveat is that I can’t have it in the house fridge (due to family) so will only be able to use it 3 times per week. Other issue is NYS does not allow blood tests for IGF for whatever reason so i’ll have to go off feel. If I want the bloodwork i’ll have to drive 3 hours to Pennsylvania. This may happen around the 8-10 week mark. This is my plan.
wk1-2 7.5iu 3x/wk (22.5iu weekly)
wk3-12 12.75iu 3x/wk (38.25iu weekly)
I’m currently in the midst of a primo/test/deca cycle that started last week. Training 6 days per week. Will be injecting on the days I go to the gym to work with the trainer. These are the hard days. Other days I train at home with a pretty decent equipment setup but mostly pump/accessory work.
My other option is to go to the place where it will be stored every day which would not be very convenient. Any thoughts? I know this is not ideal.
