Do a search for Ronnie Coleman dead lifting and you’ll see an old meet he did, there’s a skinny scrawny old man who dead lifts over 500# in that meet named Roy. Those are 100 pound plates on the bar there.
Now there’s an OLD man that was still lifting heavy, he ain’t genetically gifted it seems but maybe he just don’t eat enough and doesn’t do any bodybuilding work. He’s probably PED free though.
Actually it’s just under 500. It’s 220kg as stated by the announcer. Good stuff!!!
Yes. Everyone who claims to have found some secret, or reinvents the spoon, fails to provide evidence that any of it works. Grimek, who you brought up, didn’t train the way you do. Success leaves clues.
All training works it isn’t that hard. And NO BODY trains exactly the same.
Who is reinventing the spoon???
Grimek used to compete every weekend in strength lifting eg 1-rep. on an Exercise, that is part of his training.
Look it up, he did a program style during the week and did some type of contest lifting every weekend.
Anytime you test a lift in a contest, that’s really part of training, to think the lifter gets nothing out of that is obsurd.
To put it in the proper context, yes, one rep maxes for powerlifters and strength / strongman athletes, absolutely beneficial. For bodybuilders and people that are into body recomposition, in my experience, absolutely not. The risk of injury outweighs any possible benefit.
To be completely fair, I have never been injured on a max single or the first rep of any exercise. All my injuries I can trace back to well past the first couple reps. Just my experience. I am not making an all-encompassing statement.
I also have noticed the opposite here too from my experiences. I did compete in powerlifting. My best results came when I totally dropped max singles from my training.
Yup. Maxing in training is wasting a comp lift. I haven’t maxed since 2012: my last powerlifting meet. I have done plenty of heavy singles, but no maxing.
I’ve even out of the powerlifting training mode for a long time. I just learned something new ! Not that I’ll ever use it again, but still great to know.
Both statements are false. If no one trained the same, there would be millions of training methods. How many people use 5/3/1? One person? Strength coaches who work in team sports will run many athletes through the same program as they can’t be a personal trainer to each individual. If no one trained the same then what would be the point of training programs or even this site? What would be the point of this thread? What would be the point of you posting what you do?
This is false. You train to peak for a contest. If you are competing once a week, every week, you aren’t truly maxing in competition. Imagine a lifter maxing his deadlift, setting a new PR, every Saturday for 52 Saturdays in a row. That would be as ridiculous as expecting Usain Bolt to set a new 100m record every week.
Is it possible the “competition” was more like an exhibition? An exhibition can easily be done without a maximum effort. That is, a heavy single, but not a 1 rep max.
Lifting weights was an extremely esoteric activity during the era of John Grimek. The public was extremely uneducated on its expectations.
Many people may run the same program but that does not mean they truly train the same, everyone does something a tad different whether it’s an extra set of arms or something else.
Anyone who has been very successful has done something unique to them, no one who is very successful was always doing something cookie cutter.
The old saying, do what everyone else does and you’ll just be like everyone else. I know that’s not 100 percent accurate but there is some truth to it. Not everyone running 5/3/1 is going to have the same success, while sure many will have good success, but could they be better if they added their own tiny adjustments? Very possible.
Even the Bulgarians, while they all followed the same schedule they still had to adjust to their individual status of that day. Lifter 1 may hit all his lifts, lifter 2 may have 5-misses that day in training, that would be their max day. The Bulgarian coach would watch to tell the lifter what to do next.
You know this how? And we only have so many body parts so I’m sure more than person has added an extra set of arms. Also, tweaking a program is not the same as choosing a different methodology. Many programs allow for it but the principles stay the same.
Again, how do you know this? I would argue the opposite is true in most cases. Successful people pattern themselves after successful people. This is why we take advice from winners, not losers.
All of them? Or just those who were selected as children and, ended up being coached using the same principles. Tweaking is not a change of method. You are also talking about possible refinements and individual adjustments that were being applied to athletes who were already at an elite level trying to make improvements. This is worthless information for newbies.
Yup. To say nothing of “tune up games”: comps we do to prep for the REAL competition. We even see this in bodybuilding: doing 2 shows withing 2 weeks of each other, where one is more the warm up for the other.
@RT_Nomad of course Grimek did exhibitions plus he competed and tested the odds lifts and one arm pressing and Olympic lifts.
All those old time guys coming up as youngsters tested their lifts regularly. Most kids did this to get somewhere, before the Internet the kids always pushed themselves, that’s all they knew how to do. Once they got under someone’s wing they probably changed but pushing and testing is what most old school kids did.
Of course there are guys in powerlifting who continued training 1-rep there have been very successful minimalists in the game.
@zecarlo everyone who is the best in lifting of every generation has done something a bit different. Arnold was told by the guys he learned from that he was over training. He didn’t do everything Reg Park did exactly how Reg did it. Dorian Yates didn’t do everything Arnold did, come on man.
Stefan Botev didn’t do the same as others either, he did some of the craziest heavy volume days before the big show.
This is a thread for newbies. You yourself are probably, for all intents and purposes, a newbie. What an elite lifter did when he was elite is worthless information to a newbie. Telling a newbie to essentially do his own thing is horrible advice. You mention Arnold; maybe you shouldn’t look to what he did while he was winning bodybuilding titles and instead look at the advice he gave to people new to lifting.
You are destined to fail. You are looking at people who have achieved more than you and thinking you can get away with doing things differently, like you believe they did. If you were intelligent, you would look at what they did to progress towards being elite rather than what they did after they had arrived at a level that is beyond where you are.
You could be right. But considering much of this happened in the '30’s and '40’s, I would think that much of the “exhibitions/competitions” were money generating events.
Surely you don’t believe that much of the population engaged in any kind of weight training at all in the '30’s and '40’s. The exhibitions then were mostly a spectacle. The '50’s brought some interest via Hercules (Steve Reeves) and in the '60’s Weider’s promotion of the Blond Bomber (Dave Draper). Draper is the one that caught my attention in the 1960’s that came to fruition in 1968 when I started lifting weights. Of course, most all agree that Pumping Iron was the pivot point that led to turning weight training to become a mainstream activity.
There was also much talk about how the exhibitions put on at York under the observation of Bob Hoffman used trick/fake plates to create the illusion of greater weights being lifted. Guys hitting PRs in an exhibition nowhere near what they hit in competition. It’s always been a game.
Everything in the world has variation. When you start considering any minute change of a program as a difference, you can no longer discuss the benefits of one program over another. If the program is not precisely followed it cannot not be referenced as a benefit of the program.
You are arguing minutia for the sole purpose of appearing correct in all things you believe and have stated.
@zecarlo when Arnold was a newbie he was lifting every chance he got, he broke all the laws that everyone else held to him in order to get in an extra workout an extra rep etc. Everyone told him (even his lifting mentors) that he would fail. He didn’t listen to those losers.
Ken Patera got his 110# weight set as a kid. He pressed all 110#, so what did he do since he pressed all his weights. He started pressing with one-arm and at age 13 could press all 110# with one-arm.
Sure the kids got the magazines and tried rountines, again they all work. Lifting weights works.
You aren’t Arnold or Patera, so what’s your point?