[quote]lixy wrote:
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I have no problem with homosexuals. I have a problem with the public display of their kind these past decade or so. The whole “gay” mentality. Whatever happened to don’t ask don’t tell? [/quote]
Write this down in your diary, lixy.
It’s a milestone that hasn’t happened before, and may not ever happen again.
…I agree with you.
I agreed with lixy. Damn, I feel dirty.
[quote]orion wrote:
I wrote that all the hip cultures did it and that it was seen as a cultural achievement because I think Herodot actually bragged about the fact that an important part of hellenisation was the introduction of pederasty which was more than just gay sex.[/quote]
Funny that you would cite a source who was conjectured as a liar and even a plagiarizer. And in reference to pederasty, depending on which Greek you read, many Greeks considered the actual intercourse to be crude and even detrimental valuing the relationship rather than the act.
[quote]I did not say you would get violent about this, it is just that the slight homophobia in our society has religious roots and is by no means rational.
Where else would it come from? Fear or repulsion cannot be the standard norm since it was considered to be completely approbriate by a lot of cultures.[/quote]
Where else would it come from? Common sense? Instinct?
I’m sure you know the AIDS epidemic, when it started here in America, was originally believed to be a homosexual disease. Did you ever stop to think why the gross homosexual/heterosexual AIDS disparity existed? Is it because anal sex puts one at a greater risk? Yes. Is it because homosexuals tend to have more partners more rapidly? Yes. Funny that no one is running around claiming West Nile was designed by the CIA to wipe out homosexuals or that it’s God’s wrath for their sinful deeds.
I can’t believe it takes this much to convince you that, “It’s okay because the Greeks did it”, isn’t a legitimate argument. The Romans (prior to Christ, not that it matters) valued homosexuality more than we do but only between men and their slaves. The Ottomans drastically devalued homosexuality and slavery where did that come from? The Jews?
I’m not saying all homosexuality is bad and should be purged from the face of God’s green Earth. Just that we shouldn’t be forcing people not to smoke or fasten their seat belts because it’s a good idea and throw parades for homosexuals.
[quote]orion wrote:
There is no inconsistency, because you cannot catch the “ghey”, not even by watching posing, oiled-up, muscular men…
Watch it.
If you are not completely gay-efied by that video you are probably safe.[/quote]
I’m not worried about “catching gay” any more than you’re worried about “catching cancer”. I’m worried about getting screwed twice over because the police stop me to make sure I fasten my safety belt because, “It’s a good idea.” only to get caught in traffic because homosexuals want to celebrate behavior that’s (at best) not such a good idea.
I’m worried about people abusing terms like love and equality to in order to give free speech a kick in the ribs and plain sense a punch in the face, just to defend behavior that’s not such a good idea.
I’m aggravated by the unjust comparisons drawn between “oppressed” homosexuals and the actual oppression of African-Americans to justify behavior that’s not such a good idea.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
I pose a question.
You are at a club in Miami, you are a heterosexual male, and a homosexual male walking by grabs your nuts and winks at you.
My friend reflexively punched the guy in the face and walked away.
My friend was charged with harassment/assault M3 charges and tried to press sexual assault and harassment charges back on the guy just to get the charges dropped, but that didn�??t work.
In the civil suite to pay for the guys medical bills the homosexual male was also allowed to file a suite based on sexual discrimination.
Does anyone else think this is messed up?
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That is absolutely fucked up.
If anyone invades anyones personal space like that, touching them in an intimately private area no less, the person being assaulted has every right and reason to defend themselves.
No one has the right to do what that man did to your friend. He got what he deserved.
[quote]lucasa wrote:
orion wrote:
There is no inconsistency, because you cannot catch the “ghey”, not even by watching posing, oiled-up, muscular men…
Watch it.
If you are not completely gay-efied by that video you are probably safe.
I’m not worried about “catching gay” any more than you’re worried about “catching cancer”. I’m worried about getting screwed twice over because the police stop me to make sure I fasten my safety belt because, “It’s a good idea.” only to get caught in traffic because homosexuals want to celebrate behavior that’s (at best) not such a good idea.
I’m worried about people abusing terms like love and equality to in order to give free speech a kick in the ribs and plain sense a punch in the face, just to defend behavior that’s not such a good idea.
I’m aggravated by the unjust comparisons drawn between “oppressed” homosexuals and the actual oppression of African-Americans to justify behavior that’s not such a good idea.
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Um…how would people being gay get you caught in traffic? I seriously dont see the connection.
Also, I dont see whats bad about two gay people hooking up and doing whatever makes them happy.
If anything, trying to force yourself to be something you arent because of someone elses opinion is a bad idea.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
If anything, trying to force yourself to be something you arent because of someone elses opinion is a bad idea.[/quote]
Word!
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Um…how would people being gay get you caught in traffic? I seriously dont see the connection.[/quote]
Why does being gay require a parade or it’s own “Olympics”? I don’t see the connection.
You idiots are letting your ‘tolerance’ blind you. I’m not out to have a SWAT team kick in anyone’s bedroom doors or have people arrested for holding hands in public. Rather than the two discreetly gay individuals “organizing a gay agenda” and working to the mutual gain of homosexuals and heterosexuals, we have flag wavers who turn a blind eye to the real problems of the gay community and proselytize fence-sitters and prosecute naysayers with the BS about equal rights, and they use those tools to trump common sense.
Sure, then if someone disappoints their parents by being gay then the parents shouldn’t be forced out of disappointment any more than the child should be forced to be straight. Especially given all the malady associated with homosexuality.
[quote]lucasa wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Um…how would people being gay get you caught in traffic? I seriously dont see the connection.
Why does being gay require a parade or it’s own “Olympics”? I don’t see the connection.
Also, I dont see whats bad about two gay people hooking up and doing whatever makes them happy.
You idiots are letting your ‘tolerance’ blind you. I’m not out to have a SWAT team kick in anyone’s bedroom doors or have people arrested for holding hands in public. Rather than the two discreetly gay individuals “organizing a gay agenda” and working to the mutual gain of homosexuals and heterosexuals, we have flag wavers who turn a blind eye to the real problems of the gay community and proselytize fence-sitters and prosecute naysayers with the BS about equal rights, and they use those tools to trump common sense.
If anything, trying to force yourself to be something you arent because of someone elses opinion is a bad idea.
Sure, then if someone disappoints their parents by being gay then the parents shouldn’t be forced out of disappointment any more than the child should be forced to be straight. Especially given all the malady associated with homosexuality.[/quote]
Still don`t get your point.
You feel uneasy around homosexual people, probably especially around gay men.
Sooo?
If they want a parade, they get a parade.
If you want a parade, you get a parade.
Just because they get off their ass and have a flamboytastic parade each year and you`re not is your fault, not theirs.
And if a virus attacks a certain group more, so what?
What if a virus “punished” heterosexual behaviour, would you be on the internet, lecturing on the dangers of straight intercourse?
Thing I’ve never understood was why on Earth anybody cares what anybody else does to get their kicks.
I’m not pro-gay - I just don’t care. Do what you want as long as no-one gets hurt who didn’t sign up for it. I don’t care if you fuck donkeys as long the donkey gets a reach-around and taken out for a nice meal.
As for being ogled by a dude…Well, it’s the same to me as a really ugly girl trying to come on to me. Thanks but not interested. Still, nice to know SOMEONE thinks you’re attractive.
That said, if a dude grabbed my nuts… Well I can understand people punching the fella but for me, well I imagine I’d be more along the lines of the hands-to-nuts brushoff followed by an ‘Easy mate… Keep your hands to yourself’. That’s like the 1st and only warning. Any more problems after that and he’s fair game.
Of course, maybe it’s because your friend looks really really gay, and the dude’s gaydar got all messed up. However, if your mate is bigger than me, don’t tell him I said that 
[quote]orion wrote:
Still don`t get your point.
You feel uneasy around homosexual people, probably especially around gay men.[/quote]
Wow. I wouldn’t presume to know every gay person’s motivations for their choice, or the majority of other peoples’ motivations for their life choices for that matter, but you seem to think that fear (specifically homophobia) must automatically be motivating my decisions?
What happened, did your “the Jews did it” theory break down? Whatever you do, don’t stop looking for reasons to justify my actions so you can compartmentalize my behavior.
[quote]Sooo?
If they want a parade, they get a parade.
If you want a parade, you get a parade.
Just because they get off their ass and have a flamboytastic parade each year and you`re not is your fault, not theirs.[/quote]
Actually, they keep turning down my applications. Maybe if my parade were centered about sexual orientation…
Funny that you should mention it. Copious and reckless amounts of it, yes. HPV has recently been linked to throat cancer via oral sex, more than six partners and your risk goes up 2.5-fold. Guess which orientation guarantees a greater number of oral partners?
[quote]lucasa wrote:
Funny that you should mention it. Copious and reckless amounts of it, yes. HPV has recently been linked to throat cancer via oral sex, more than six partners and your risk goes up 2.5-fold. Guess which orientation guarantees a greater number of oral partners?[/quote]
cheap tarts?
That is pretty messed up. I’m glad i live in texas. With the exception of possibly Austin, punching a dude for grabbing your nuts wouldn’t even warrant an arrest. Most cops would hit the guy with their billy clubs, taze him for awhile and then arrest him for sexual assault.
[quote]lucasa wrote:
Why does being gay require a parade or it’s own “Olympics”? I don’t see the connection.
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A lot of gay people feel the need for things like that because they spend most of their lives being forced in the closet (especially by the “well meaning” homophobes who “really dont hate them… just want to force them to pretend to be something they arent for 99 percent of their lives”).
Of course, there’s always the argument that “I dont get a straight parade!” Question is, have you ever felt the need? Did you have to wrestle with the fear of admitting to loved ones that you were straight? Are you constantly told that being straight is not normal?
Um, no, but thanks for asking.
Kinda lost me at the end there. What common sense are they trying to trump? Whats wrong with equal rights for gays, again? Are you suggesting that gay people do NOT deserve equal rights?
I suppose not, no one should be forced out of bigotry.
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Especially given all the malady associated with homosexuality.[/quote]
All the malady associated with homosexuality seems to stem from the homophobia against them.
[quote]lucasa wrote:
Actually, they keep turning down my applications. Maybe if my parade were centered about sexual orientation…
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That is easy.
Say it is a political event.
Problem solved.
Demonstrate for love, peace and harmony and dress up, that is how the Love Parade does it.
[quote]
Funny that you should mention it. Copious and reckless amounts of it, yes. HPV has recently been linked to throat cancer via oral sex, more than six partners and your risk goes up 2.5-fold. Guess which orientation guarantees a greater number of oral partners?[/quote]
Oh my.
If I found out that doctors got sick more often because of their “life-style” would that be an issue too?
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
A lot of gay people feel the need for things like that because they spend most of their lives being forced in the closet (especially by the “well meaning” homophobes who “really dont hate them… just want to force them to pretend to be something they arent for 99 percent of their lives”).[/quote]
There’s no real way to know this, it sounds like you’re just regurgitating excerpts. IMO, a lot of gay people feel the need to define themselves somehow. Unfortunately, many of them choose sex or not even sex, but orientation. Policies like “Don’t ask, don’t tell” don’t force anyone to pretend to be something they aren’t, it forces them to shut the hell up and do the job they’re there for.
These are the questions you’ve been conditioned to ask. I don’t need a straight parade. My loved ones don’t need to know who I had sex with or how. The things I do and think that aren’t normal I most certainly don’t inform people about without fully expecting condescension and criticism.
I know you’re seeing things through a filter, but it wasn’t a question.
Equal rights for gays is a myth. Unlike blacks before (and even, to a degree, after) abolition and women before (and even, to a degree, after) suffrage, gays are already enjoy all the rights the rest of us enjoy.
As for trumping common sense;
This is entirely incorrect and proves that you’ve swallowed the propaganda whole. The gay community, regardless of the level social animosity, suffers from higher frequencies of STDs, higher rates of depression, and (very much in anathema of hate crimes) higher orientation-specific violence from within the gay community than from outside it. Hardly reasons to have parades, lift travel bans, or include them under the umbrella of “hate crimes”.
[quote]orion wrote:
That is easy.
Say it is a political event.
Problem solved.
Demonstrate for love, peace and harmony and dress up, that is how the Love Parade does it.[/quote]
Perfect. So it’s not about oppression, it’s not about inequality, it’s not about improving society or the gay community, it’s about “love” and being politically relevant (talk about an oxymoron).
[quote]Oh my.
If I found out that doctors got sick more often because of their “life-style” would that be an issue too?[/quote]
Holy shit, did you just compare what doctors do as a profession to what homosexuals do recreationally and then use that as an argument?
Here let me help you, farmers actually do get injured/maimed/killed more often because of their lifestyle… so because people have to eat to live we should encourage homosexuality to the utmost.
Very compelling testament as to how much common sense goes into the defense of homosexuality.
[quote]lucasa wrote:
orion wrote:
That is easy.
Say it is a political event.
Problem solved.
Demonstrate for love, peace and harmony and dress up, that is how the Love Parade does it.
Perfect. So it’s not about oppression, it’s not about inequality, it’s not about improving society or the gay community, it’s about “love” and being politically relevant (talk about an oxymoron).
Oh my.
If I found out that doctors got sick more often because of their “life-style” would that be an issue too?
Holy shit, did you just compare what doctors do as a profession to what homosexuals do recreationally and then use that as an argument?
Here let me help you, farmers actually do get injured/maimed/killed more often because of their lifestyle… so because people have to eat to live we should encourage homosexuality to the utmost.
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Who ever ENCOURAGED homosexuality and why would it be a problem if anybody did?
I would encourage gay people to come out and not hide, but that is not the same.
I would encourage people who fuck around to use condoms though.
[quote]
Very compelling testament as to how much common sense goes into the defense of homosexuality.[quote]
There is no defense for homosexuality.
None is necessary.
PS: Go and have sex with a man!
I demand that you have gay sex RIGHT NOW!
Do you allready feel those homosexual urges coming on?
Since I encouraged you and everything…
[quote]lucasa wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
A lot of gay people feel the need for things like that because they spend most of their lives being forced in the closet (especially by the “well meaning” homophobes who “really dont hate them… just want to force them to pretend to be something they arent for 99 percent of their lives”).
There’s no real way to know this, it sounds like you’re just regurgitating excerpts. IMO, a lot of gay people feel the need to define themselves somehow. Unfortunately, many of them choose sex or not even sex, but orientation. Policies like “Don’t ask, don’t tell” don’t force anyone to pretend to be something they aren’t, it forces them to shut the hell up and do the job they’re there for.
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So I start a sentence with “a lot of gay people…” and your reply is “theres no way to know that!”. Then continue on with your own “A lot of gay people…” statement.
Maybe if I’m “regurgitating” exerpts from gay people that I’ve heard a lot, it stands to reason that a lot of gay people feel that way? Genius, right?
Once again you play the “I dont hate gay people, I just think they need to be forced into the closet” card. How would you feel if you couldnt hug or kiss a girlfriend or hold hands in public, or even speak conversationally about your relationship with her? All those things you take for granted, you advocate denying to homosexuals because they need to “shut up” to make you comfortable.
Are you blind to the fact that its taken for granted that you have sex with women? How many people know if you have a girlfriend (or have known about girlfriends in the past) or if you’re married to a woman? Do you think they dont assume that you have sex?
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Um, no, but thanks for asking.
I know you’re seeing things through a filter, but it wasn’t a question.
Kinda lost me at the end there. What common sense are they trying to trump? Whats wrong with equal rights for gays, again? Are you suggesting that gay people do NOT deserve equal rights?
Equal rights for gays is a myth. Unlike blacks before (and even, to a degree, after) abolition and women before (and even, to a degree, after) suffrage, gays are already enjoy all the rights the rest of us enjoy.
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As in the right to enter into a legal contract in which both consenting adults are considered to, after signing into said contract, be family members, whereas before signing such contract they were not?
Yeah, its called, um, marriage. In many states, gay people dont have the legal right. This is discrimination and not equal rights, hoss.
[quote]
As for trumping common sense;
All the malady associated with homosexuality seems to stem from the homophobia against them.
This is entirely incorrect and proves that you’ve swallowed the propaganda whole. The gay community, regardless of the level social animosity, suffers from higher frequencies of STDs, higher rates of depression, and (very much in anathema of hate crimes) higher orientation-specific violence from within the gay community than from outside it. Hardly reasons to have parades, lift travel bans, or include them under the umbrella of “hate crimes”.[/quote]
hahahaha.
Wow dude. Open your eyes.
Gay people spend their whole lives dealing with people who openly hate them and people (like you) who want them to “shut up” and “act normal”…
AND YOU WONDER WHY THEY GET DEPRESSED?
Holy fuck you cant be serious.
Clearly, I’ve swallowed so much propaganda.
I mean, I cant imagine that being gay in a homophobic society would make a gay person unhappy. Clearly, they are depressed because they are gay. Couldnt be
couldnt be
couldnt be
couldnt be
the shit they deal with all the time.
Nope. The problem is the gays. Clearly.
If you can’t connect the dots by now, you are fucking blind.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
…All the malady associated with homosexuality seems to stem from the homophobia against them.
[/quote]
AIDS?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
…All the malady associated with homosexuality seems to stem from the homophobia against them.
AIDS?[/quote]
Perhaps you have a point.
But, as one gay person put it once, if straight guys had as many opprotunites with women as gay men do with men, they’d be gettin’ busy just as often.