Heterosexual Discrimination

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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I have a story to add. Hope this doesn’t count as a hijack, just a little addition.

It’s November 23rd of '06. I come back from the gym to my dorm room and start to clean up my room. I take some clothing off of my bed and notice a used condom placed their in plane sight - WHAT THE FUCK?!?

I immediately start going through scenarios in my head; Did I forget to throw it away? Did it get dragged in here and I picked it up in a pile of clothing? Did someone fuck on my bed? No, everything was exactly how I left it.

Anything to think that it wasn’t my gay roommate. Prior to this, I had had a few conversations with him, just being civil. I had the same view as most people - don’t disrespect me with your gay and I won’t fuck you up with my straight. Anyway.

I call my other roommate up. “Yo, have you fucked in the apartment in the past week?” - “No, why?” “Don’t lie, yo, did you fuck on my bed?” - “Oh, shit nah, yo he came in the room waving that shit in my face and went into your room and threw it on your bed.” Bingo.

Wait for him to come back, I think it had been a leg day so I was all fired up. Soon as he walks into the apartment I grab him by the throat and drag him into the hallway, into the elevator lobby, and throw him into the elevator. He’s talking shit. I’m silent. I throw him off the elevator into the ground floor and drag him outside.

I give him two options; apologize and move out next day, or get fucked up. He opts to talk shit. I stay calm and just go upstairs and lock him out while I cool off. Who’s at my door five minutes later? The RA… I explain the story to the RA and ask him what he might have done. “Well, I’m in a position of authority here so I can’t give you my personal opinion.” - “Yo, c’mon from one man to another.” “Well, you said something about fucking him up?” I shake my head yes. He nods in reply.

A couple days pass and I get a letter of eviction on the grounds that I physically assaulted another student. Ok. There is also a possibility of appeal, so I appeal to the RDA, RC, and then the Dean. Three times! No-one sees how my reaction was warranted. Mind you I never threw a punch.

Long story short the eviction stood, for three months, long enough to find an apartment and he still lives there.

Single most injustice I have ever suffered in my life.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Clearly, I’ve swallowed so much propaganda.
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Haha. Where’s the Eric Estrada picture when you need it?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Clearly, I’ve swallowed so much propaganda.
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There it is. :wink:

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[quote]orion wrote:

Who ever ENCOURAGED homosexuality and why would it be a problem if anybody did?[/quote]

If you don’t call throwing a parade encouragement, I don’t know what would fit your definition. As for the second part, reread all my previous posts.

I would encourage gay people to quit worrying about whether the fuck they’re gay or not, quit throwing parades and acting like idiots, and find something better to do than obsess over who they stick what in and smearing it in everyone’s face.

Oh really, you wouldn’t encourage them not to fuck around in the first place? Because condoms aren’t 100% effective against bloodborne STDs and aren’t even close to effective against more robust infectious organisms and STDs.

At least we agree here.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

So I start a sentence with “a lot of gay people…” and your reply is “theres no way to know that!”. Then continue on with your own “A lot of gay people…” statement.[/quote]

And you masterfully restate the obvious.

50,000,000 Elvis fans can’t be wrong.

If we’re all in the closet, what does it matter? More to my point, there’s a big difference between being in the closet, being out of the closet, and dancing around the entire house like idiots.

First of all, my girlfriend and I can’t hold hands in public or speak conversationally about our relationship. My wife might catch us. :slight_smile:

Second of all, I’ve explicitly said that I’m not offended by homosexuals holding hands in public. I’m more concerned about “homosexual mania” where AIDS travel bans are lifted and “anti-hate” rights are made up and granted.

For example, there is/was nothing stopping homosexuals from talking about their relationships anymore than heterosexuals, but I’m sure you could spin a good story, throw a parade to establish some political relevance, and invent some new rights out of it.

Incorrect. You have me very much confused for something I’m not.

Maybe to you, but most of us don’t care one way or the other, we have better things to do.

I’m not responsible for what other people assume me or my sex life, either correctly or otherwise. And you’re still spinning me up to something I’m not.

[quote]Kinda lost me at the end there. What common sense are they trying to trump? Whats wrong with equal rights for gays, again? Are you suggesting that gay people do NOT deserve equal rights

As in the right to enter into a legal contract in which both consenting adults are considered to, after signing into said contract, be family members, whereas before signing such contract they were not?[/quote]

I don’t currently enjoy that right.

EDIT: More appropriately, I should say I’ve never enjoyed that right to any greater or lesser degree than a homosexual.

Out of curiosity, happen to know the ammendment that grants us this right?

In addition, unlike blacks and women before them, homosexuals aren’t easily identified and discriminated for/against. Nature vs. nurture aside, the more you blur the lines about who gets what rights and how, the more worthless it becomes to create and enforce those “rights”.

On top of that, it’s not like granting people these “rights” changes anything, hate crime by any other name, is still illegal. The “right to marry” doesn’t make them any happier or decrease the promiscuity and relative prevalence of disease.

[quote]Wow dude. Open your eyes.

Gay people spend their whole lives dealing with people who openly hate them and people (like you) who want them to “shut up” and “act normal”…

AND YOU WONDER WHY THEY GET DEPRESSED?

Holy fuck you cant be serious.

Clearly, I’ve swallowed so much propaganda.

I mean, I cant imagine that being gay in a homophobic society would make a gay person unhappy. Clearly, they are depressed because they are gay.

…

Nope. The problem is the gays. Clearly.[/quote]

Assume for a second that, I’m not looking to lay blame or vilify anyone, but weigh evidence objectively and solve what is a problem (More people with AIDS, regardless of orientation, is a problem right?) or make the most sensible decision.

Open your own eyes and you’ll see, regardless of in the closet or out, in staunch and stuffy America or free-living Denmark. Homosexuals still suffer greater degrees of same maladies I indicated.

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
orion wrote:

Who ever ENCOURAGED homosexuality and why would it be a problem if anybody did?

If you don’t call throwing a parade encouragement, I don’t know what would fit your definition. As for the second part, reread all my previous posts.

I would encourage gay people to come out and not hide, but that is not the same.

I would encourage gay people to quit worrying about whether the fuck they’re gay or not, quit throwing parades and acting like idiots, and find something better to do than obsess over who they stick what in and smearing it in everyone’s face.

I would encourage people who fuck around to use condoms though.

Oh really, you wouldn’t encourage them not to fuck around in the first place? Because condoms aren’t 100% effective against bloodborne STDs and aren’t even close to effective against more robust infectious organisms and STDs.

There is no defense for homosexuality.

At least we agree here.[/quote]

So in the end it comes down to, sex is sinful and if not sanctioned by the gods must end in tears.

Nature itself punishes homosexuality!

How boring.

Fascinating though that sex and fear are still so closely connected and people do not really realize why that is.

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Assuming you have stated all the facts, what do you think would happen to a straight guy in a bar who grabs a girls breasts and she punches him? Would he be able to charge her with assault? No! Would she be able to charge him with sexual assault? You bet ya!

So this case is a good example of the way the system is slanted.

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[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
That is pretty messed up. I’m glad i live in texas. With the exception of possibly Austin, punching a dude for grabbing your nuts wouldn’t even warrant an arrest. Most cops would hit the guy with their billy clubs, taze him for awhile and then arrest him for sexual assault. [/quote]

Thank God for Texas. It is the last bastion of true freedom left in the USA.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

But, as one gay person put it once, if straight guys had as many opprotunites with women as gay men do with men, they’d be gettin’ busy just as often.[/quote]

Perfect nonsense. “If everyone were allowed to contract the disease, they would. So that justifies homosexuality!”

And I’d be willing to bet that in any state, in any country in the world, incidents of heterosexual sex outnumber homosexual sex at least 2:1.

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[quote]orion wrote:

So in the end it comes down to, sex is sinful and if not sanctioned by the gods must end in tears.[/quote]

Funny, I never used the words sin or referred to any sort of higher power.

[quote]Nature itself punishes homosexuality[/quote]…

And punishes whites with skin cancer. The people who tan themselves into rawhide are the same level of stupid that I’ve been talking about. Maybe I could join them and we could organize a “Sun Pride” parade start a serious social discussion about “tan equality” and “tan discrimination”. I always have had tanning tendencies and have even experimented with sunburns at the beach…

At least the cause of tan-ness can be clearly delineated as biological and tan people are easily identified and discriminated for/against.

Fascinating? I thought we already established that it was the Jews’ fault?

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
orion wrote:

So in the end it comes down to, sex is sinful and if not sanctioned by the gods must end in tears.

Funny, I never used the words sin or referred to any sort of higher power.

Nature itself punishes homosexuality…

And punishes whites with skin cancer. The people who tan themselves into rawhide are the same level of stupid that I’ve been talking about. Maybe I could join them and we could organize a “Sun Pride” parade start a serious social discussion about “tan equality” and “tan discrimination”. I always have had tanning tendencies and have even experimented with sunburns at the beach…

At least the cause of tan-ness can be clearly delineated as biological and tan people are easily identified and discriminated for/against.

Fascinating though that sex and fear are still so closely connected and people do not really realize why that is.

Fascinating? I thought we already established that it was the Jews’ fault?
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Yup, sure homosexuality is bad.

Reason?

A retrovirus that now has the largest infection rates among young heterosexual women once used to spread fast among them.

There are no negative emotions whatsoever on your part whatsoever, your logic is flawless, and as long as it is that way I hope that the rainbow flag is proudly paraded through your city each year, twice, with an extra loop around your house.

They´re here, they`re queer, get bored with it.

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
Is it because anal sex puts one at a greater risk? Yes. Is it because homosexuals tend to have more partners more rapidly? Yes.[/quote]

Lesbians don’t engage in anal sex (let’ say it’s 30-50% of all homosexuals) and around a half of gay man don’t. Which makes gays who do have anal sex a minority (40% at most).

I’m not sure if gay women tend to have more partners than gay men. I doubt it.

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[quote]orion wrote:

Yup, sure homosexuality is bad.

Reason?

A retrovirus that now has the largest infection rates among young heterosexual women once used to spread fast among them.[/quote]

Still talking about HIV? Both the highest proportion of the population and least amount of time to reach that level belong to homosexuals (True, we haven’t tested every possible way to divide a population, but this one is pretty big and is apparently politically relevant).

If anything, heterosexual women being the “fastest risers” this late in the game speaks to their (behavioral or otherwise) immunity to the disease.

[quote]There are no negative emotions whatsoever on your part whatsoever, your logic is flawless, and as long as it is that way I hope that the rainbow flag is proudly paraded through your city each year, twice, with an extra loop around your house.

So now it’s wrong to have negative emotions? Even if your arguments make sense and are, given the scope, tolerant?

I was bored by it about five years ago. I’ve regurgitated the exact lines you did. Then I got tired of it, now I’m irritated by it. I’ve used the term before to describe myself, homovexed.

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[quote]skor wrote:

Lesbians don’t engage in anal sex (let’ say it’s 30-50% of all homosexuals) and around a half of gay man don’t. Which makes gays who do have anal sex a minority (40% at most).

I’m not sure if gay women tend to have more partners than gay men. I doubt it.[/quote]

Lesbian women tend to have more partners than their heterosexual counterparts. Unless you want to get (presumably illegally) biased and say lesbianism is “okay” but being gay is wrong, the lesbians vs. gay men argument irrelevant.

Additionally, HPV (the major cause of cervical cancer and the reason why all women should get regular pap smears) was recently discovered to cause a variety of other cancers including throat cancer, in both sexes.

Persons with 6 or more oral sex partners are 2.5X more likely to develop esophageal cancer (one of, if not the least, curable cancer). More women having sex with more women certainly doesn’t alleviate the problem.

orion said it himself, there is no defense of homosexuality. It’s a personal preference, choice, or bias (Mostly why I don’t argue against and am not against individuals in terms of homosexuality). There’s no guarantee that it serves any purpose above the level of the individual and, if anything, it’s detrimental to society except possibly in a population-control type of role (which the Greeks also used it for).

At least when you implicate something like coffee in esophageal cancer, you can invoke caffeine and other metabolic and neurostimulant effects in it’s defense. Not just that a fraction of the population “feels right” when they drink coffee and that they were born to drink coffee (or was it a choice?).

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I’d think that maybe your friend’s response was a bit over-the-top for the offense. I also wonder if charges were filed because the guy who got punched suffered serious injuries? Sometimes that type of thing is what drives matters such this from a legal perspective.

Hit a guy and he walks away and you get a stern talking to. Hit a guy and he stays down and you go to jail.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
lucasa wrote:

Why does being gay require a parade or it’s own “Olympics”? I don’t see the connection.

A lot of gay people feel the need for things like that because they spend most of their lives being forced in the closet (especially by the “well meaning” homophobes who “really dont hate them… just want to force them to pretend to be something they arent for 99 percent of their lives”).

Of course, there’s always the argument that “I dont get a straight parade!” Question is, have you ever felt the need? Did you have to wrestle with the fear of admitting to loved ones that you were straight? Are you constantly told that being straight is not normal?

Also, I dont see whats bad about two gay people hooking up and doing whatever makes them happy.

You idiots are letting your ‘tolerance’ blind you.

Um, no, but thanks for asking.

I’m not out to have a SWAT team kick in anyone’s bedroom doors or have people arrested for holding hands in public. Rather than the two discreetly gay individuals “organizing a gay agenda” and working to the mutual gain of homosexuals and heterosexuals, we have flag wavers who turn a blind eye to the real problems of the gay community and proselytize fence-sitters and prosecute naysayers with the BS about equal rights, and they use those tools to trump common sense.

Kinda lost me at the end there. What common sense are they trying to trump? Whats wrong with equal rights for gays, again? Are you suggesting that gay people do NOT deserve equal rights?

Sure, then if someone disappoints their parents by being gay then the parents shouldn’t be forced out of disappointment any more than the child should be forced to be straight.

I suppose not, no one should be forced out of bigotry.

Especially given all the malady associated with homosexuality.

All the malady associated with homosexuality seems to stem from the homophobia against them.
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Your responses seem to indicate that - in your eyes - homosexuals have rights beyond those of heterosexuals because they are dismissed and ‘forced into the closet’ by homophobes.

If this was a straight guy doing this to a woman this thread would not exist and the offending crotch-grabber would be sitting in a very dark place with no chance to see sunlight again for a long, long time. If the woman cracked his skull open with a beer bottle we’d celebrate her courage, give her a parade and ask her co-host Oprah.

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
skor wrote:

Lesbians don’t engage in anal sex (let’ say it’s 30-50% of all homosexuals) and around a half of gay man don’t. Which makes gays who do have anal sex a minority (40% at most).

I’m not sure if gay women tend to have more partners than gay men. I doubt it.

Lesbian women tend to have more partners than their heterosexual counterparts. [/quote]

Actually, I’d be very surprised if this is true. Generally lesbians report behaviors in numbers that reflect there being two females involved, and as such they tend to score lower for so-called “risky” behaviors.

Rates of domestic violence are lower, rates of adultery, etc., because lesbianism pairs two women and eliminates the men, who are far more likely to be big ol’ violent horndogs. Because women have on average less sexual partners than men and are more likely to pair-bond, a pair of lesbians would have a combined lifetime-partners score lower than a heterosexual couple, reducing the risk of STD infection.

Gay men, on the other hand, are more likely to engage in risky behaviors, but simply because they’re pairing with big ol’ violent horndogs like themselves. Not because homosexuality makes them more intrinsically risk-seeking.

[quote]
Additionally, HPV (the major cause of cervical cancer and the reason why all women should get regular pap smears) was recently discovered to cause a variety of other cancers including throat cancer, in both sexes.

Persons with 6 or more oral sex partners are 2.5X more likely to develop esophageal cancer (one of, if not the least, curable cancer). More women having sex with more women certainly doesn’t alleviate the problem.[/quote]

Hmm. I have absolutely no data to back this up, but I’m guessing that lesbians probably transmit HPV orally less easily. Surely the nature of male/female oral sex makes esophageal cancer more easily transmitted from a male to a female?

[quote]orion said it himself, there is no defense of homosexuality. It’s a personal preference, choice, or bias (Mostly why I don’t argue against and am not against individuals in terms of homosexuality).

There’s no guarantee that it serves any purpose above the level of the individual and, if anything, it’s detrimental to society except possibly in a population-control type of role (which the Greeks also used it for).

At least when you implicate something like coffee in esophageal cancer, you can invoke caffeine and other metabolic and neurostimulant effects in it’s defense. Not just that a fraction of the population “feels right” when they drink coffee and that they were born to drink coffee (or was it a choice?). [/quote]

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[quote]orion wrote:
lucasa wrote:
orion wrote:

So in the end it comes down to, sex is sinful and if not sanctioned by the gods must end in tears.

Funny, I never used the words sin or referred to any sort of higher power.

Nature itself punishes homosexuality…

And punishes whites with skin cancer. The people who tan themselves into rawhide are the same level of stupid that I’ve been talking about. Maybe I could join them and we could organize a “Sun Pride” parade start a serious social discussion about “tan equality” and “tan discrimination”. I always have had tanning tendencies and have even experimented with sunburns at the beach…

At least the cause of tan-ness can be clearly delineated as biological and tan people are easily identified and discriminated for/against.

Fascinating though that sex and fear are still so closely connected and people do not really realize why that is.

Fascinating? I thought we already established that it was the Jews’ fault?

Yup, sure homosexuality is bad.

Reason?

A retrovirus that now has the largest infection rates among young heterosexual women once used to spread fast among them.

There are no negative emotions whatsoever on your part whatsoever, your logic is flawless, and as long as it is that way I hope that the rainbow flag is proudly paraded through your city each year, twice, with an extra loop around your house.

They´re here, they`re queer, get bored with it.
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Maybe I should have used the Eric Estrada picture after one of your posts.

Haha

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[quote]lixy wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
Does anyone else think this is messed up?

That is the most comical story I’ve heard in a long while.[/quote]

The extremists don’t need to blow us up. As you can see, our society is going to hell, as this example shows.

What would happen to the nut-grabber in a Muslim country, btw?

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
It sucks,

we are constantly told don’t this or say this because we might offend somebody.

I’ve tried to be somewhat non offensive so far but who cares.

I want to know when all of the sudden it wasn’t considered abnormal to be homosexual.

Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery. -Malcolm X

What is worse than when homosexuality “passed from abnormality to normalcy” is when someone like yourself will be much maligned for writing what you’ve written.[/quote]

Good Malcolm quote!!