Heterosexual Discrimination

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]lucasa wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
It sucks,

we are constantly told don’t this or say this because we might offend somebody.

I’ve tried to be somewhat non offensive so far but who cares.

I want to know when all of the sudden it wasn’t considered abnormal to be homosexual.

Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery. -Malcolm X

What is worse than when homosexuality “passed from abnormality to normalcy” is when someone like yourself will be much maligned for writing what you’ve written.[/quote]

When did homosexual behaviour pass from being the norm to being a sin?

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so hypothetically if a man grabbed a womans boobs then was kicked in the balls and pepper sprayed that man could press assault charges?
It seems to me that the boob/nut grabbing is out of line and the risks(being hit or pepper sprayed) go with the territory.

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[quote]orion wrote:
When did homosexual behaviour pass from being the norm to being a sin?[/quote]

Probably around 2000-800 B.C or so.

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[quote]unbending wrote:
orion wrote:
When did homosexual behaviour pass from being the norm to being a sin?

Probably around 2000-800 B.C or so.[/quote]

Nice try, but a few hundred years later is more likely when a crazy Jewish spin-off sect became state religion in Rome.

They had a book whith only ONE God and he did not like anything sexual except married couples having sex after dark through a whole in the blanket and only if it was not too exciting.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Nice try, but a few hundred years later is more likely when a crazy Jewish spin-off sect became state religion in Rome.

They had a book whith only ONE God and he did not like anything sexual except married couples having sex after dark through a whole in the blanket and only if it was not too exciting. [/quote]

Are you under the impression that Judaism condones homosexuality?

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[quote]lixy wrote:
orion wrote:
Nice try, but a few hundred years later is more likely when a crazy Jewish spin-off sect became state religion in Rome.

They had a book whith only ONE God and he did not like anything sexual except married couples having sex after dark through a whole in the blanket and only if it was not too exciting.

Are you under the impression that Judaism condones homosexuality?[/quote]

No, but they were savages that roamed around in the desert while all the civilized, cool nations had hot, steamy, sweaty, mano-a-mano, anal humping and pumping…

You get the picture?

If not, here´s a picture.

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[quote]orion wrote:

When did homosexual behaviour pass from being the norm to being a sin?[/quote]

  1. Homosexual behavior is not the norm. Sexual behavior in general is not the norm. The line of thinking couldn’t be more clearly askew. It’s like saying soccer is the norm. Breathing, eating, sleeping, talking, listening, are the norm, the majority of people do them multiple time everyday. Homosexual behavior is the minority of a behavior that represents a minority of human behavior.

  2. I didn’t say it was a sin. Personally, as far as ‘evils’ goes, it’s on par with smoking and we treat smokers like horse shit.

  3. Probably most importantly, is there a problem with someone thinking it’s a sin? Is there a problem with them thinking that out loud?

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
orion wrote:

When did homosexual behaviour pass from being the norm to being a sin?

  1. Homosexual behavior is not the norm. Sexual behavior in general is not the norm. The line of thinking couldn’t be more clearly askew. It’s like saying soccer is the norm. Breathing, eating, sleeping, talking, listening, are the norm, the majority of people do them multiple time everyday. Homosexual behavior is the minority of a behavior that represents a minority of human behavior.

  2. I didn’t say it was a sin. Personally, as far as ‘evils’ goes, it’s on par with smoking and we treat smokers like horse shit.

  3. Probably most importantly, is there a problem with someone thinking it’s a sin? Is there a problem with them thinking that out loud?

[/quote]

  1. Homosexuality, or at least bisexuality once was the cultural norm in all civilized nations.

A cultural achievement, no less…

  1. The “sin” part was that the reason homosexuaity is a tad problematic these days is that a few semitic tribes deperately wanted to separate themselves from their neighbours, in part trough strict sexual mores.

So what once was an accepted and even expected part of growing up in Greece or one way of many in Rome became a “sin”.

  1. Is there a problem?

Sure there is.

A big one? Not really.

Free speech is great that way, if you are programmed by ancient semitic fairy tales , shout it from the mountain tops, so I can smile and back away slowly, preparing to run if I see any hint of foam around the corners of your mouth…

Anybody spending too much time wondering/imagining where other men stick their dicks makes me suspicious…

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[quote]orion wrote:
unbending wrote:
orion wrote:
When did homosexual behaviour pass from being the norm to being a sin?

Probably around 2000-800 B.C or so.

Nice try, but a few hundred years later is more likely when a crazy Jewish spin-off sect became state religion in Rome.

They had a book whith only ONE God and he did not like anything sexual except married couples having sex after dark through a whole in the blanket and only if it was not too exciting.

[/quote]

No, that would be about a millenium later, during the dark ages.

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
orion wrote:

When did homosexual behaviour pass from being the norm to being a sin?

  1. Homosexual behavior is not the norm. Sexual behavior in general is not the norm. The line of thinking couldn’t be more clearly askew. It’s like saying soccer is the norm. Breathing, eating, sleeping, talking, listening, are the norm, the majority of people do them multiple time everyday. Homosexual behavior is the minority of a behavior that represents a minority of human behavior.

  2. I didn’t say it was a sin. Personally, as far as ‘evils’ goes, it’s on par with smoking and we treat smokers like horse shit.

  3. Probably most importantly, is there a problem with someone thinking it’s a sin? Is there a problem with them thinking that out loud?

[/quote]

  1. Have you ever taken a world history course? How about biology? Homosexuallity has been present throughout history and in nature.

  2. Why is being gay evil at all? Who does it hurt? And if smokers didn’t smell like shit, I personally wouldn’t care about them.

  3. Of course there is a problem. A huge, unsolvable, evil problem? not really.

You can say whatever you want. But denying gays rights, or actively hurting gay people is wrong.

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There were even gay dinosaurs.

Mega-sore-ass and Lick-alotta-pus

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[quote]orion wrote:

  1. Homosexuality, or at least bisexuality once was the cultural norm in all civilized nations.

A cultural achievement, no less…[/quote]

The historical prevalence is speculative at best. I’m not saying it didn’t exist or that was unacceptable. Analogously we don’t have any hard evidence to explain how the pyramids got built, but your sure the Egyptians were predominantly bi/homosexual. To pass your assertion off as known fact is disingenuous.

And depending on what exact historical context/events your talking about, it could hardly be called a cultural achievement. Personally, I have trouble using sex to define cultural achievement, anything that the vast majority of rabbits do infinitely better than the vast majority of humans precludes it.

[quote]2) The “sin” part was that the reason homosexuaity is a tad problematic these days is that a few semitic tribes deperately wanted to separate themselves from their neighbours, in part trough strict sexual mores.

So what once was an accepted and even expected part of growing up in Greece or one way of many in Rome became a “sin”.[/quote]

How about the slaves in Greece and other ancient cultures? Are the Jews the reason slavery is a ‘tad problematic’ today?

Could you possibly fathom someone having a feeling about homosexuality and knowing it’s right and it having nothing to do with religion? How about knowing it’s wrong?

What makes you think I would get violent about this?

One could get equally suspicious of an Austrian impugning the practices of Jews two millennia ago because of where the Greeks stuck theirs.

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[quote]Beowolf wrote:
2. Why is being gay evil at all? Who does it hurt? And if smokers didn’t smell like shit, I personally wouldn’t care about them. [/quote]

In the old days when the Earth needed populating, being homosexual was hurting the birth rates. By not reproducing, they weren’t exactly doing what was best for humanity. Today, things are different. The earth is getting a bit crowded. So if anything, queers are doing us all a favor.

You should stop invoking nature as proof that homosexuality is OK. Animals have no moral. Being a homosexual isn’t evil. It’s wrong. And there’s a world of difference between the two. Just like doing steroids, copyright infringement or self-abuse.

I have no data to back this up, but I expect promiscuity to be higher among queers. That leads to all kinds of crimes of passion and STDs. It’s also quite evident that this particular community gets more intoxicated than the average hetero.

I have no problem with homosexuals. I have a problem with the public display of their kind these past decade or so. The whole “gay” mentality. Whatever happened to don’t ask don’t tell?

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[quote]Beowolf wrote:

  1. Have you ever taken a world history course? How about biology? Homosexuallity has been present throughout history and in nature.[/quote]

  2. Did I ever say there should be no homosexuality at any costs? Why, because I happen to disagree with much of the homosexual sentiments am I suddenly relegated to a foaming-at-the-mouth “burn them all in hell now” character?

  3. Plenty of bad things in happened in history as well. What makes homosexuality right? Because it’s love? Because some people know it feels right?

I didn’t say it was evil. Unnecessary? Yes. Of dubious benefit? Certainly.

So then, in your mind, there’s no inconsistency when smokers are forced to go outside to smoke and homosexuals have a parade?

[quote]3. Of course there is a problem. A huge, unsolvable, evil problem? not really.

You can say whatever you want. But denying gays rights, or actively hurting gay people is wrong.[/quote]

The only “huge, unsolvable, evil problem” is excessive tolerance and reality-distorting PC crap. How are “gay rights” different than human rights? Are there “straight rights” that I ought to be taking advantage of?

The only person hurt in this discussion was a molester. No one has suggested violence against anyone else otherwise.

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[quote]lixy wrote:

In the old days when the Earth needed populating, being homosexual was hurting the birth rates. By not reproducing, they weren’t exactly doing what was best for humanity. Today, things are different. The earth is getting a bit crowded. So if anything, queers are doing us all a favor.

…

I have no problem with homosexuals. I have a problem with the public display of their kind these past decade or so. The whole “gay” mentality. Whatever happened to don’t ask don’t tell? [/quote]

If it weren’t the poor and stupid (people burying their fifth granddaughter alive) who are reproducing en masse. I would entirely agree with you.

I don’t know how I feel about that. I must be ‘confused’. Maybe I’m a little Islamocurious? Judeoflexible?

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
I don’t know how I feel about that. I must be ‘confused’. Maybe I’m a little Islamocurious? Judeoflexible?[/quote]

What do you mean? I have trouble deciphering this.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
lucasa wrote:
I don’t know how I feel about that. I must be ‘confused’. Maybe I’m a little Islamocurious? Judeoflexible?

What do you mean? I have trouble deciphering this.[/quote]

Kidding.

We share ideals about “gay rights” (when normally we share no ideals at all).

[sarcasm]It must be because of our shared religious background.[/sarcasm]

EDIT: It occurs to me that maybe the terms bi-curious or heteroflexible aren’t used in Sweden.

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
orion wrote:

  1. Homosexuality, or at least bisexuality once was the cultural norm in all civilized nations.

A cultural achievement, no less…

The historical prevalence is speculative at best. I’m not saying it didn’t exist or that was unacceptable. Analogously we don’t have any hard evidence to explain how the pyramids got built, but your sure the Egyptians were predominantly bi/homosexual. To pass your assertion off as known fact is disingenuous.

And depending on what exact historical context/events your talking about, it could hardly be called a cultural achievement. Personally, I have trouble using sex to define cultural achievement, anything that the vast majority of rabbits do infinitely better than the vast majority of humans precludes it.

  1. The “sin” part was that the reason homosexuaity is a tad problematic these days is that a few semitic tribes deperately wanted to separate themselves from their neighbours, in part trough strict sexual mores.

So what once was an accepted and even expected part of growing up in Greece or one way of many in Rome became a “sin”.

How about the slaves in Greece and other ancient cultures? Are the Jews the reason slavery is a ‘tad problematic’ today?

Free speech is great that way, if you are programmed by ancient semitic fairy tales , shout it from the mountain tops, so I can smile and back away slowly, preparing to run if I see any hint of foam around the corners of your mouth…

Could you possibly fathom someone having a feeling about homosexuality and knowing it’s right and it having nothing to do with religion? How about knowing it’s wrong?

What makes you think I would get violent about this?

Anybody spending too much time wondering/imagining where other men stick their dicks makes me suspicious…

One could get equally suspicious of an Austrian impugning the practices of Jews two millennia ago because of where the Greeks stuck theirs.[/quote]

I wrote that all the hip cultures did it and that it was seen as a cultural achievement because I think Herodot actually bragged about the fact that an important part of hellenisation was the introduction of pederasty which was more than just gay sex.

I did not say you would get violent about this, it is just that the slight homophobia in our society has religious roots and is by no means rational.

Where else would it come from? Fear or repulsion cannot be the standard norm since it was considered to be completely approbriate by a lot of cultures.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
2. Why is being gay evil at all? Who does it hurt? And if smokers didn’t smell like shit, I personally wouldn’t care about them.

In the old days when the Earth needed populating, being homosexual was hurting the birth rates. By not reproducing, they weren’t exactly doing what was best for humanity. Today, things are different. The earth is getting a bit crowded. So if anything, queers are doing us all a favor.

You should stop invoking nature as proof that homosexuality is OK. Animals have no moral. Being a homosexual isn’t evil. It’s wrong. And there’s a world of difference between the two. Just like doing steroids, copyright infringement or self-abuse.

I have no data to back this up, but I expect promiscuity to be higher among queers. That leads to all kinds of crimes of passion and STDs. It’s also quite evident that this particular community gets more intoxicated than the average hetero.

I have no problem with homosexuals. I have a problem with the public display of their kind these past decade or so. The whole “gay” mentality. Whatever happened to don’t ask don’t tell? [/quote]

The same thing that happened to “equal, but separate”.

It died the death it deserved, hyppocritical bullshit that it was…

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[quote]lucasa wrote:

So then, in your mind, there’s no inconsistency when smokers are forced to go outside to smoke and homosexuals have a parade?

[/quote]

There is no inconsistency, because you cannot catch the “ghey”, not even by watching posing, oiled-up, muscular men…

Watch it.

If you are not completely gay-efied by that video you are probably safe.