Herschel Walker is Still JACKED at 47

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He’s in remarkable shape for any age. He’s not big. Never lifting weights I’m not sure if that is accurate or now taking on urban legend - may have been at one point, doubtful to me now and, I think he was prone to curious exaggeration at some point…he did suffer some mental illness.

Genetics are obviously ELITE, inasmuch as you are not ever a olympic level aspiring sprinter without them. There is no sign of steroid use for him at any point in his career either. However, all that said, someone please explain his trap development to me if he never truly lifted weights. And don’t tell me it’s his pose…it’s more than a pose. He has weightlifter development in his traps.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Sorry C_C i didn’t realize it’s derrogatory to say somebody uses steriods, I guess it’s like calling a fat person fat.[/quote]

What?

Do you have to bring up steroids in every other sentence you churn out?

And your idea of fat is probably different from mine if you are calling off-season bodybuilders fat.

Priest did one (1) photoshoot where he had a serious belly and could be called “fat”. That was what the photographers wanted. Usually, most bodybuilders, even in the heaviest weight-classes, simply look smooth in the off-season… Do you want to argue about this as well now?

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Why are you distinguishing this guy with a response? He’s fucking with you.

Airtruth is one of the biggest wastes of space on the site. He chooses random sides of an argument and just spews nonsense for the fun(?) of it on a routine basis.

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and white flash, you certainly have well above average genetics based on your explosion and speed. i would venture to say getting hyooge has never been a priority for you. when basketball was my priority, i was 190lbs. when i stopped, and i mean stopped - didn’t even play recreationally, then the muscle and weight gain came, quite easily in retrospect. if you can dunk at your height, chances are you are genetically predisposed to be quite muscular if that became your focus.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Sorry C_C i didn’t realize it’s derrogatory to say somebody uses steriods, I guess it’s like calling a fat person fat.[/quote]

What?

Do you have to bring up steroids in every other sentence you churn out?

And your idea of fat is probably different from mine if you are calling off-season bodybuilders fat.

Priest did one (1) photoshoot where he had a serious belly and could be called “fat”. That was what the photographers wanted. Usually, most bodybuilders, even in the heaviest weight-classes, simply look smooth in the off-season… Do you want to argue about this as well now?
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Your telling me I’m saying derogatory remarks for wanting to compare all natural guys to all natural guys, then get mad when i say I didn’t realize saying somebody used steriods is a derogatory remark… Hypocritical aren’t we?

Why do I mention steriods? Because it EXISTS, and in my eyes it WORKS. Why would I compare a person who uses it to a person who doesn’t?

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Sorry C_C i didn’t realize it’s derrogatory to say somebody uses steriods, I guess it’s like calling a fat person fat.[/quote]

What?

Do you have to bring up steroids in every other sentence you churn out?

And your idea of fat is probably different from mine if you are calling off-season bodybuilders fat.

Priest did one (1) photoshoot where he had a serious belly and could be called “fat”. That was what the photographers wanted. Usually, most bodybuilders, even in the heaviest weight-classes, simply look smooth in the off-season… Do you want to argue about this as well now?

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Why are you distinguishing this guy with a response? He’s fucking with you.

Airtruth is one of the biggest wastes of space on the site. He chooses random sides of an argument and just spews nonsense for the fun(?) of it on a routine basis. [/quote]

I’ve not seen much of him in the past compared to dankid and co, so I was giving him the benefit of the doubt… Some of his comments seemed alright from what I can remember, but I did notice his trollish tendencies before as well.

I want him to try that shit in the bb forum again and get hit with the prof’s big ol’ banning stick…

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lol I like how people with no evidence to backup their statements like to throw out the word troll. I have yet to see one picture from these people of people who are lifetime natural and look like Herschel after a year or 2.

I’ve trained with natural competitors and have only seen pictures of THEIR competitions and have yet to see all these natural competitors that blow Herschels size out the water.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

Your telling me I’m saying derogatory remarks for wanting to compare all natural guys to all natural guys, then get mad when i say I didn’t realize saying somebody used steriods is a derogatory remark… Hypocritical aren’t we?

Why do I mention steriods? Because it EXISTS, and in my eyes it WORKS. Why would I compare a person who uses it to a person who doesn’t?

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“Why bring off-season bodybuilders (in a derogatory way)” ← Was where I accused you of making a derogatory comment.

This was the comment I was talking about:

“Or better yet lets post the pictures of off season bodybuilders sitting down hunched over and see if they look like anything but fat asses.”

As usual, you try to somehow twist everything to end up in a steroid debate. Whatever.

By now your style of arguing is just tired and uninspired… At least have the decency to be an entertaining troll rather than a boring one?

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
He’s in remarkable shape for any age. He’s not big. Never lifting weights I’m not sure if that is accurate or now taking on urban legend - may have been at one point, doubtful to me now and, I think he was prone to curious exaggeration at some point…he did suffer some mental illness.

Genetics are obviously ELITE, inasmuch as you are not ever a olympic level aspiring sprinter without them. There is no sign of steroid use for him at any point in his career either. However, all that said, someone please explain his trap development to me if he never truly lifted weights. And don’t tell me it’s his pose…it’s more than a pose. He has weightlifter development in his traps.[/quote]

The trap development could just be a factor of genetics, given that the traps are notorious for their storage of more androgen receptors than anywhere else in the body, a freak like HW with some stupid high natural test and abnormally high natural level of androgen receptors would have well developed traps just by holding shit in his arms. It’s one of the reasons that people running a cycle will blow up in certain spots without doing anything else, Bonez would know a lot more about than me though my knowledge is surface level at best.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

I’ve trained with natural competitors and have only seen pictures of THEIR competitions and have yet to see all these natural competitors that blow Herschels size out the water.[/quote]

He weighed in at 214 like whoever pointed out, at 6’1… which means he’d definitely be sub-200 in competition, maybe even sub-190(because I somehow doubt he would deplete himself for a weigh in where he was at absolutely no risk of missing weight[265]). There are guys 3-4 inches shorter than him that come in heavier than that.

As for the 2 years training thing, eh w/e that debate is stupid anyways who only trains for 2 years, dude has been an ELITE athlete for 30 years.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
He’s in remarkable shape for any age. He’s not big. Never lifting weights I’m not sure if that is accurate or now taking on urban legend - may have been at one point, doubtful to me now and, I think he was prone to curious exaggeration at some point…he did suffer some mental illness.

Genetics are obviously ELITE, inasmuch as you are not ever a olympic level aspiring sprinter without them. There is no sign of steroid use for him at any point in his career either. However, all that said, someone please explain his trap development to me if he never truly lifted weights. And don’t tell me it’s his pose…it’s more than a pose. He has weightlifter development in his traps.[/quote]

Not really. Do a crab most-muscular in front of the mirror.
It’s simply rounding the shoulders/rolling them forward to the max and pushing them forward (shoulder blades being lifted up) and flexing. Even guys whose traps are not at all impressive when standing relaxed suddenly appear to have big traps then because they bunch up like that.
Also shows off shoulder detail much better than a relaxed pose, but the lats disappear almost completely due to the lifted shoulder blades (opposite of a lat spread basically, where the traps would disappear almost if you went for max lat width).

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And here’s a pose somewhat similar to what Hershel does in the tight black shirt pic (not the mma one):
http://www.fitnessatlantic.com/galleries/MandatoryPoses/Hands-on-Hips-Most-Musc.jpg ← again, shoulders rolled forward/rounded = traps look big but lats appear smaller (the guy in the pic doesn’t go for full trap here though).

http://www.fitnessatlantic.com/galleries/MandatoryPoses/Front-Lat-Spread.jpg ← lat spread by comparison, traps disappear.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

Your telling me I’m saying derogatory remarks for wanting to compare all natural guys to all natural guys, then get mad when i say I didn’t realize saying somebody used steriods is a derogatory remark… Hypocritical aren’t we?

Why do I mention steriods? Because it EXISTS, and in my eyes it WORKS. Why would I compare a person who uses it to a person who doesn’t?

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“Why bring off-season bodybuilders (in a derogatory way)” ← Was where I accused you of making a derogatory comment.

This was the comment I was talking about:

“Or better yet lets post the pictures of off season bodybuilders sitting down hunched over and see if they look like anything but fat asses.”

As usual, you try to somehow twist everything to end up in a steroid debate. Whatever.

By now your style of arguing is just tired and uninspired… At least have the decency to be an entertaining troll rather than a boring one?

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lol I know it’s hard to say your wrong, calling me a troll will suffice. Since that’s all people do when their point is all backed up and twisted.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
He’s in remarkable shape for any age. He’s not big. Never lifting weights I’m not sure if that is accurate or now taking on urban legend - may have been at one point, doubtful to me now and, I think he was prone to curious exaggeration at some point…he did suffer some mental illness.

Genetics are obviously ELITE, inasmuch as you are not ever a olympic level aspiring sprinter without them. There is no sign of steroid use for him at any point in his career either. However, all that said, someone please explain his trap development to me if he never truly lifted weights. And don’t tell me it’s his pose…it’s more than a pose. He has weightlifter development in his traps.[/quote]

The trap development could just be a factor of genetics, given that the traps are notorious for their storage of more androgen receptors than anywhere else in the body, a freak like HW with some stupid high natural test and abnormally high natural level of androgen receptors would have well developed traps just by holding shit in his arms. It’s one of the reasons that people running a cycle will blow up in certain spots without doing anything else, Bonez would know a lot more about than me though my knowledge is surface level at best.[/quote]

He uses injectible trapple sauce. Get your facts straight.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
He’s in remarkable shape for any age. He’s not big. Never lifting weights I’m not sure if that is accurate or now taking on urban legend - may have been at one point, doubtful to me now and, I think he was prone to curious exaggeration at some point…he did suffer some mental illness.

Genetics are obviously ELITE, inasmuch as you are not ever a olympic level aspiring sprinter without them. There is no sign of steroid use for him at any point in his career either. However, all that said, someone please explain his trap development to me if he never truly lifted weights. And don’t tell me it’s his pose…it’s more than a pose. He has weightlifter development in his traps.[/quote]

Football… Pro football players in person tend to have pretty developed traps proportionately. Although, I wasn’t impressed by his in that picture as much.

Edit: and I’m sure he’s doing a ton of neck bridges with if he only does bw

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

Your telling me I’m saying derogatory remarks for wanting to compare all natural guys to all natural guys, then get mad when i say I didn’t realize saying somebody used steriods is a derogatory remark… Hypocritical aren’t we?

Why do I mention steriods? Because it EXISTS, and in my eyes it WORKS. Why would I compare a person who uses it to a person who doesn’t?

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“Why bring off-season bodybuilders (in a derogatory way)” ← Was where I accused you of making a derogatory comment.

This was the comment I was talking about:

“Or better yet lets post the pictures of off season bodybuilders sitting down hunched over and see if they look like anything but fat asses.”

As usual, you try to somehow twist everything to end up in a steroid debate. Whatever.

By now your style of arguing is just tired and uninspired… At least have the decency to be an entertaining troll rather than a boring one?

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lol I know it’s hard to say your wrong, calling me a troll will suffice. Since that’s all people do when their point is all backed up and twisted.[/quote]

Well now. Don’t cry, little troll.

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What is this thread about?
here’s the bottom-line: 47 Year old Herschel Walker beat the hell out of some young dude. He is one of the greatest athletes ever, and weight-training or not he has a better physique than most on here because MOST people waste their time whining about genetics instead of training their ass off.

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I met Hershal Walker in 1979 when I was a senior in high school at a track meet. I think he was from Warner Robbins GA . I think he looked more muscular than as a senior in high school than he does now.

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CC,

Thanks for answering in such a well-thought out and gentleman-like manner.
Much appreciated.

The comment about off season bodybuilders, while not from me, was still pretty accurate, in my opinion.
Herschel is not far away from a very decent amateur bodybuilder.
and that is where we ultimately won’t be d’accord:
You hardcore guys are convinced it takes years of bulking to achieve the utmost level of muscularity. Therefore, bodyfat should only be stripped when a legit metamorphosis took place or a surprise Ice Age descends with Neanderthal-Raiders on Mammoths, who threaten to plunder and rape the last batches of precious protein.

Athletes who try to keep bodyfat low, be it because of aesthetic reasons or out of necessity, get no respect. No middle ground. Either Monster (who bluntly spoken, don’t look fantastic most of the time) or at best, just “in shape”.
Argm, sorry I digress (ja, ein complicated thread), I already wrote that to Prof.X.

@can of worms.
This is interesting.
I never had much contact with black sportsmen, although I heard very similar anecdotes from guys who did spend some time over the big pond.
This is, like you said, rather controversial, especially in Germany, where even saying “Negro” is considered racist (I shit you not, fellow americans and don’t even think of saying “moor”).
Implying that blacks can do better in some sports will make the pc faction go NUTS.
I still find it hard to believe that it’s that much of a difference. Let’s see what the big black guy says to that.

Now let’s get real. America is practically the capital of weight sports for a reason (weightlifing is an integral part of your culture).
Europe, not so much. Not at all.
That makes it somtimes hard to put things in perspective. (Another fact: the average gymdude in Germany will consider 100kg on the bech “impressive” - guess the metric system wants us to be weak;)
Couple that with aforementioned Bigorexia (meant only half serious, I don’t know an adequate word for “betriebsblind”); and my assumption stands that bodybuilders who think only in bodybuilders dimensions and for whom being “cut” is exactly as desireable as it sounds (freudian description?), will dismiss anything under 18’’ arms as puny.

Last Question, CC, conerning your last remark about a doable 2-year goal;
you will have certainly a whole lot more experience here;
have you ever witnessed such a development, sans steroids - and at that level of bodyfat?
I haven’t. And apart from martial arts, I also worked in a gym.

I’m very curious about your answer, as I have no reason to doubt your words.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
He’s in remarkable shape for any age. He’s not big. Never lifting weights I’m not sure if that is accurate or now taking on urban legend - may have been at one point, doubtful to me now and, I think he was prone to curious exaggeration at some point…he did suffer some mental illness.

Genetics are obviously ELITE, inasmuch as you are not ever a olympic level aspiring sprinter without them. There is no sign of steroid use for him at any point in his career either. However, all that said, someone please explain his trap development to me if he never truly lifted weights. And don’t tell me it’s his pose…it’s more than a pose. He has weightlifter development in his traps.[/quote]

Not really. Do a crab most-muscular in front of the mirror.
It’s simply rounding the shoulders/rolling them forward to the max and pushing them forward (shoulder blades being lifted up) and flexing. Even guys whose traps are not at all impressive when standing relaxed suddenly appear to have big traps then because they bunch up like that.
Also shows off shoulder detail much better than a relaxed pose, but the lats disappear almost completely due to the lifted shoulder blades (opposite of a lat spread basically, where the traps would disappear almost if you went for max lat width).

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And here’s a pose somewhat similar to what Hershel does in the tight black shirt pic (not the mma one):
http://www.fitnessatlantic.com/galleries/MandatoryPoses/Hands-on-Hips-Most-Musc.jpg ← again, shoulders rolled forward/rounded = traps look big but lats appear smaller (the guy in the pic doesn’t go for full trap here though).

http://www.fitnessatlantic.com/galleries/MandatoryPoses/Front-Lat-Spread.jpg ← lat spread by comparison, traps disappear.
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I don’t agree. I wasn’t solely referring to his “pose” or camera angles or any other illusion. I’ve seen them relaxed. And I don’t think anyone “genetically” comes out the box with that trap development. And no, not from “carrying stuff in your arms” either. And no, not from neck bridges. And no, we all know football players have great neck and trap development (because they NEED it), but also football players spend a good deal of time in the WEIGHT ROOM :slight_smile: I’ve seen HW in a relaxed pose, from the rear too, and relative to his overall size, he has some impressive traps. My point is this…he may have had a regimen at one time of mostly bodyweight type exercises, but I don’t buy that he has never weightlifted. He’s a bit eccentric. I don’t buy his claimed diet either. If I remember correctly, our local papers were a bit dismissive of his oddball claims while he played for the Eagles. I think he’s seen his way around a weight room here and there :slight_smile: I reiterate though; fantastic shape, natural and clean, and no, he’s not big by any measure. He’s fit and lean. Actually, quite a good build for a fighter.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
He’s in remarkable shape for any age. He’s not big. Never lifting weights I’m not sure if that is accurate or now taking on urban legend - may have been at one point, doubtful to me now and, I think he was prone to curious exaggeration at some point…he did suffer some mental illness.

Genetics are obviously ELITE, inasmuch as you are not ever a olympic level aspiring sprinter without them. There is no sign of steroid use for him at any point in his career either. However, all that said, someone please explain his trap development to me if he never truly lifted weights. And don’t tell me it’s his pose…it’s more than a pose. He has weightlifter development in his traps.[/quote]

Not really. Do a crab most-muscular in front of the mirror.
It’s simply rounding the shoulders/rolling them forward to the max and pushing them forward (shoulder blades being lifted up) and flexing. Even guys whose traps are not at all impressive when standing relaxed suddenly appear to have big traps then because they bunch up like that.
Also shows off shoulder detail much better than a relaxed pose, but the lats disappear almost completely due to the lifted shoulder blades (opposite of a lat spread basically, where the traps would disappear almost if you went for max lat width).

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And here’s a pose somewhat similar to what Hershel does in the tight black shirt pic (not the mma one):
http://www.fitnessatlantic.com/galleries/MandatoryPoses/Hands-on-Hips-Most-Musc.jpg ← again, shoulders rolled forward/rounded = traps look big but lats appear smaller (the guy in the pic doesn’t go for full trap here though).

http://www.fitnessatlantic.com/galleries/MandatoryPoses/Front-Lat-Spread.jpg ← lat spread by comparison, traps disappear.
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I don’t agree. I wasn’t solely referring to his “pose” or camera angles or any other illusion. I’ve seen them relaxed. And I don’t think anyone “genetically” comes out the box with that trap development. And no, not from “carrying stuff in your arms” either. And no, not from neck bridges. And no, we all know football players have great neck and trap development (because they NEED it), but also football players spend a good deal of time in the WEIGHT ROOM :slight_smile: I’ve seen HW in a relaxed pose, from the rear too, and relative to his overall size, he has some impressive traps. My point is this…he may have had a regimen at one time of mostly bodyweight type exercises, but I don’t buy that he has never weightlifted. He’s a bit eccentric. I don’t buy his claimed diet either. If I remember correctly, our local papers were a bit dismissive of his oddball claims while he played for the Eagles. I think he’s seen his way around a weight room here and there :slight_smile: I reiterate though; fantastic shape, natural and clean, and no, he’s not big by any measure. He’s fit and lean. Actually, quite a good build for a fighter.[/quote]

Dude, really who cares if he trained with weights EVER, it is pretty clear he doesn’t rely on them much and especially any time recently.

Are you really taking this as “I have never touched a weight in my life” or a more realistic, “I don’t train with weights…aside from that one time the coach made us do it in the 12th grade”?

I say I don’t drink alcohol. That doesn’t mean I NEVER drank before. It means for me to drink alcohol is one rare occasion.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:

@can of worms.
This is interesting.
I never had much contact with black sportsmen, although I heard very similar anecdotes from guys who did spend some time over the big pond.
This is, like you said, rather controversial, especially in Germany, where even saying “Negro” is considered racist (I shit you not, fellow americans and don’t even think of saying “moor”).
Implying that blacks can do better in some sports will make the pc faction go NUTS.
I still find it hard to believe that it’s that much of a difference. Let’s see what the big black guy says to that.
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Yet you were telling me what I have seen in my own neighborhood? You haven’t had much contact with black sportsmen. I AM black and grew up with tons of “black sportsmen”. Hell, one of the guys arguing AGAINST me is also from Houston and even he acknolwedged the true freaks around the area I mentioned…yet YOU somehow know better?

I currently work in a predominantly black area and the size on some of these TEENAGERS is ridiculous. I even wrote about one of them here who is 285lbs in the 10th grade at under 6 feet tall…and NOT a fat 285 either. He isn’t really lean, but there is no way in hell you would call this kid fat. What do you think someone like that will look like when they turn 21 if they can stay out of jail and in school?

You are clueless about the genetic potential here and refuse any info telling you different.