Herschel Walker is Still JACKED at 47

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
He’s in remarkable shape for any age. He’s not big. Never lifting weights I’m not sure if that is accurate or now taking on urban legend - may have been at one point, doubtful to me now and, I think he was prone to curious exaggeration at some point…he did suffer some mental illness.

Genetics are obviously ELITE, inasmuch as you are not ever a olympic level aspiring sprinter without them. There is no sign of steroid use for him at any point in his career either. However, all that said, someone please explain his trap development to me if he never truly lifted weights. And don’t tell me it’s his pose…it’s more than a pose. He has weightlifter development in his traps.[/quote]

Not really. Do a crab most-muscular in front of the mirror.
It’s simply rounding the shoulders/rolling them forward to the max and pushing them forward (shoulder blades being lifted up) and flexing. Even guys whose traps are not at all impressive when standing relaxed suddenly appear to have big traps then because they bunch up like that.
Also shows off shoulder detail much better than a relaxed pose, but the lats disappear almost completely due to the lifted shoulder blades (opposite of a lat spread basically, where the traps would disappear almost if you went for max lat width).

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And here’s a pose somewhat similar to what Hershel does in the tight black shirt pic (not the mma one):
http://www.fitnessatlantic.com/galleries/MandatoryPoses/Hands-on-Hips-Most-Musc.jpg ← again, shoulders rolled forward/rounded = traps look big but lats appear smaller (the guy in the pic doesn’t go for full trap here though).

http://www.fitnessatlantic.com/galleries/MandatoryPoses/Front-Lat-Spread.jpg ← lat spread by comparison, traps disappear.
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I don’t agree. I wasn’t solely referring to his “pose” or camera angles or any other illusion. I’ve seen them relaxed. And I don’t think anyone “genetically” comes out the box with that trap development. And no, not from “carrying stuff in your arms” either. And no, not from neck bridges. And no, we all know football players have great neck and trap development (because they NEED it), but also football players spend a good deal of time in the WEIGHT ROOM :slight_smile: I’ve seen HW in a relaxed pose, from the rear too, and relative to his overall size, he has some impressive traps. My point is this…he may have had a regimen at one time of mostly bodyweight type exercises, but I don’t buy that he has never weightlifted. He’s a bit eccentric. I don’t buy his claimed diet either. If I remember correctly, our local papers were a bit dismissive of his oddball claims while he played for the Eagles. I think he’s seen his way around a weight room here and there :slight_smile: I reiterate though; fantastic shape, natural and clean, and no, he’s not big by any measure. He’s fit and lean. Actually, quite a good build for a fighter.[/quote]

Dude, really who cares if he trained with weights EVER, it is pretty clear he doesn’t rely on them much and especially any time recently.

Are you really taking this as “I have never touched a weight in my life” or a more realistic, “I don’t train with weights…aside from that one time the coach made us do it in the 12th grade”?

I say I don’t drink alcohol. That doesn’t mean I NEVER drank before. It means for me to drink alcohol is one rare occasion.[/quote]

I understand your point and wholly agree. I think however you are overestimating my point. I’m not tangled in the rest of this “debate” whatever that is. I’m just saying I don’t buy the never trained with weights ever position. Whether it is now urban legend, tall tale, misinformation or a blatant lie at this point matters not to me. I think the man is a marvelous athlete, but a bit of a loon. I think he’s lifted weights is all…and I think his traps betray anything to the contrary. No more, no less.

I also think he could be training with weights regularly now but that the cardio training is keeping off any appreciable mass. I did read where when the State docs checked him for a physical, he recorded one of the best cardio scores ever. I guess my point is, he’s a wonderful, elite athlete, and I’m a fan, but he’s a bit of an “eccentric” with a history of serious mental illness, and that some of his claims must be treated in that light :slight_smile: That’s all.

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Boy, someone is pissed! Calm down, dude- I said I am clueless about black genes.
I do not deny that. I explicitly wrote about my interest to hear it from YOU.

However, your remarks regarding what is “easily” attainable didn’t include a skin colour recommendation.

So I guess it’s blacks only?
But what about caucasions & asians?
Are aboriginal people of australia black, in terms of that 2 year crash transformation?
And why is that a race issue, all of a sudden?

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
and white flash, you certainly have well above average genetics based on your explosion and speed. i would venture to say getting hyooge has never been a priority for you. when basketball was my priority, i was 190lbs. when i stopped, and i mean stopped - didn’t even play recreationally, then the muscle and weight gain came, quite easily in retrospect. if you can dunk at your height, chances are you are genetically predisposed to be quite muscular if that became your focus.[/quote]

Thanks man. I’ve had a few trainers tell me the same thing. I remeber Thibaudeau [sp?] saying something along the lines of naturally wiry, springy guys having good strength-to-weight ratios but having lightning fast metabolisms that make gaining weight difficult. Even at 28 it’s still “difficult”, although it is getting easier. Ya’ll be good.

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It’s funny that prof x brings up Casey Butt because at 6’1 and 215 Walker is the exact height and weight that Reg Park and Steve Reeves were when they competed. If anything it’s another piece of corroborating evidence.

The fact that he looks this good without juice or weights at 47 years old is nothing short of amazing.

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correction, 214 and 1/4

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[quote]Sliver wrote:
It’s funny that prof x brings up Casey Butt because at 6’1 and 215 Walker is the exact height and weight that Reg Park and Steve Reeves were when they competed. If anything it’s another piece of corroborating evidence.

The fact that he looks this good without juice or weights at 47 years old is nothing short of amazing.[/quote]

So you think that Walker, in his current state, is as big as he could have ever possibly been?

Or maybe you don’t know the definition of corroborating evidence.

Seriously the point you just made is embarrassing.

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[quote]Sliver wrote:
It’s funny that prof x brings up Casey Butt because at 6’1 and 215 Walker is the exact height and weight that Reg Park and Steve Reeves were when they competed. If anything it’s another piece of corroborating evidence.

The fact that he looks this good without juice or weights at 47 years old is nothing short of amazing.[/quote]

ahhhh… Might want to re-think the bold parts and how they relate to each other.

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I’d wager a handsome sum he’s never touched a steroid. I’d wager an equally handsome sum that he has in fact seriously trained with weights. However, is there much difference between training seriously and hard with bodyweight exercises and using weights? Weights are a means to provide resistance thru a plane of movement. Much of what can be accomplished with weights can be mimicked with bodyweight movements. So, although I do not believe it is inconceivable to built a marvelous physique with bodyweight movements only (I have seen it), I can’t reconcile the trap development with a bodyweight movement. Not saying I’m right, just saying I’m stuck on that point :slight_smile:

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’d wager a handsome sum he’s never touched a steroid. I’d wager an equally handsome sum that he has in fact seriously trained with weights. However, is there much difference between training seriously and hard with bodyweight exercises and using weights? Weights are a means to provide resistance thru a plane of movement. Much of what can be accomplished with weights can be mimicked with bodyweight movements. So, although I do not believe it is inconceivable to built a marvelous physique with bodyweight movements only (I have seen it), I can’t reconcile the trap development with a bodyweight movement. Not saying I’m right, just saying I’m stuck on that point :)[/quote]

The one thing that many people are overlooking is that Hershel Walker has multiple personality disorder. It may be the case that one of his personalities used to lift weights and that another one only did and still does pushups and pullups.

There’s a chance that everyone is right. (Except for the people who think he’s big, obviously)

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I heard part of an interview with HW on Howard Stern a couple of weeks ago. I recall him mentioning that he doesn’t lift weights; just does 1000 push-ups and 1000 sit-ups daily.

An interesting note: he also swears that he’s only slept with two women in his entire life; his first wife and his second.

If that isn’t discipline, then I don’t know what is. Can you imagine being an elite pro baller with women throwing themselves at you in every city? And just saying “no?”

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[quote]Sliver wrote:
It’s funny that prof x brings up Casey Butt because at 6’1 and 215 Walker is the exact height and weight that Reg Park and Steve Reeves were when they competed. If anything it’s another piece of corroborating evidence.

The fact that he looks this good without juice or weights at 47 years old is nothing short of amazing.[/quote]

See this is why I kinda didn’t want to bring it up, but kind of did. I mean, it’s annoying that your internet alarm went off because Casey Butt was typed somewhere, but hilarious at the same time.

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Some gymnasts have good traps.

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[quote]Sliver wrote:
It’s funny that prof x brings up Casey Butt because at 6’1 and 215 Walker is the exact height and weight that Reg Park and Steve Reeves were when they competed. If anything it’s another piece of corroborating evidence.

The fact that he looks this good without juice or weights at 47 years old is nothing short of amazing.[/quote]

Now THAT’S brainwashed.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’d wager a handsome sum he’s never touched a steroid. I’d wager an equally handsome sum that he has in fact seriously trained with weights. However, is there much difference between training seriously and hard with bodyweight exercises and using weights? Weights are a means to provide resistance thru a plane of movement. Much of what can be accomplished with weights can be mimicked with bodyweight movements. So, although I do not believe it is inconceivable to built a marvelous physique with bodyweight movements only (I have seen it), I can’t reconcile the trap development with a bodyweight movement. Not saying I’m right, just saying I’m stuck on that point :)[/quote]

If he lifted, why would he do it to the exclusion of all other muscle groups than his traps? why wouldn’t his arms and legs be bigger? does he just do shrugs all day? chances are he just recruits his muscles in a way that hits his traps more when he does pullups and dips.

also, I liked the part of prof x post where he didn’t say anything to disprove or refute mine in any way.

It’s completely retarded to compare a natural athlete to a juiced up weightlifter but that’s what prof x and others are doing and quite frankly that’s retarded.

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[quote]Sliver wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’d wager a handsome sum he’s never touched a steroid. I’d wager an equally handsome sum that he has in fact seriously trained with weights. However, is there much difference between training seriously and hard with bodyweight exercises and using weights? Weights are a means to provide resistance thru a plane of movement. Much of what can be accomplished with weights can be mimicked with bodyweight movements. So, although I do not believe it is inconceivable to built a marvelous physique with bodyweight movements only (I have seen it), I can’t reconcile the trap development with a bodyweight movement. Not saying I’m right, just saying I’m stuck on that point :)[/quote]

If he lifted, why would he do it to the exclusion of all other muscle groups than his traps? why wouldn’t his arms and legs be bigger? does he just do shrugs all day? chances are he just recruits his muscles in a way that hits his traps more when he does pullups and dips.

also, I liked the part of prof x post where he didn’t say anything to disprove or refute mine in any way.

It’s completely retarded to compare a natural athlete to a juiced up weightlifter but that’s what prof x and others are doing and quite frankly that’s retarded.[/quote]

I like how you ignored the obvious stupidity of your post pointed out by Bonez and myself…

If someone told you 2+2=386 would you bother to disprove or refute their claim? No. 2+2=386 is slightly less ridiculous than your previous post.

Weak trolling attempt, 1/10.

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[quote]Sliver wrote:

also, I liked the part of prof x post where he didn’t say anything to disprove or refute mine in any way.
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He didn’t have to. You did it yourself genius.

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[quote]Sliver wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’d wager a handsome sum he’s never touched a steroid. I’d wager an equally handsome sum that he has in fact seriously trained with weights. However, is there much difference between training seriously and hard with bodyweight exercises and using weights? Weights are a means to provide resistance thru a plane of movement. Much of what can be accomplished with weights can be mimicked with bodyweight movements. So, although I do not believe it is inconceivable to built a marvelous physique with bodyweight movements only (I have seen it), I can’t reconcile the trap development with a bodyweight movement. Not saying I’m right, just saying I’m stuck on that point :)[/quote]

If he lifted, why would he do it to the exclusion of all other muscle groups than his traps? why wouldn’t his arms and legs be bigger? does he just do shrugs all day? chances are he just recruits his muscles in a way that hits his traps more when he does pullups and dips.

also, I liked the part of prof x post where he didn’t say anything to disprove or refute mine in any way.

It’s completely retarded to compare a natural athlete to a juiced up weightlifter but that’s what prof x and others are doing and quite frankly that’s retarded.[/quote]

I didn’t suggest he did it to the exlusion of other movements. I believe he trains with some weights. I believe he is in excellent cardio shape. I believe the work required to maintain that high of a level of cardio shape is not conducive to muscle gain. I just think he’s lifted weights, probably still does. His staples of training might be push ups and sit ups, but he certainly does other stuff as evidenced by his traps.

As to the comment about gymnasts and traps, show me a gymnast that has excellent trap development and also claims he lifts no weights and I’ll consider that. I’m not saying I’m right…but his trap development makes me curious.

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WOW, Walker kicked his ass. NICE! And he’s built like a badass too.
I could see him doing some lifting, but mainly bodywt. workouts.
He’ll be great for the sport, and hopefully he’ll be around for a few yrs.

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He was on the radio here before his fight. He said he USED to only do pushups and pullups back when he didn’t have any equipment. Now for you DA’s who think you can get a decent build without lifting - good luck. Come back and show us the error of our ways in 2 yrs.

Also a two yr transformation without roids is possible. Anybody who has the discipline and desire to do it can achieve it (Genetics or Not- you just work harder). At 47 214lbs , HW looks good. He aint winning no shows and he shouldn’t be outlifting any members on this site.

If he has a better build than you, maybe you should lift heavy weight. I was at the gym this morning DL 405(reps- PR) and I see this skinny fat trainer (20 something) helping this skinny fat tard (early twenty something). They were doing some total body BS swinging weights all over the place and Here I am at 6’3 245 age mid 30’s deadlifting with about 17% bf. Amazing that they kept trying to see what I was doing. They were either ghey or both want the same thing I want - a solid physique. Difference between us is that I’m willing to work harder than most to achieve my goals.

/rant

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I apologize for the rant - its the extra Test.