[quote]Squiggles wrote:
So it seems like the weird doctor has been monitoring his ‘projects’ whereabouts? Does that mean the formula could be his? He’s really old - maybe he could have created the entire first generation and now the traits get passed through genetics? Is he like the Dr. Frankenstein of the Heroes world?
And did anyone else watch the three webisodes? The mailman in them has the same power as Jesse. Coincidence?[/quote]
What about Adam Monroe?
I thought last episode moved pretty well. The future ones are always interesting, where is future badass Hiro?
Meh again. Adam was a forgettable character and a terrible final boss for season 2. He should have been left dead.
Peter + Sylar in a tekken tag match against Claire (aka captain useless), fear-sponge, and speed-girl? Please. That fight realistically should last about .0002 seconds – Peter freezing time, raping everyone’s collective face, and calling it a day. The fact that they let it play out the way it did for the sake of “scary alternate future development” got a cringe out of me.
[quote]Backlash79 wrote:
I thought last episode moved pretty well. The future ones are always interesting, where is future badass Hiro? [/quote]
Dead, remember?
[quote]Travacolypse wrote:
Peter + Sylar in a tekken tag match against Claire (aka captain useless), fear-sponge, and speed-girl? Please. That fight realistically should last about .0002 seconds – Peter freezing time, raping everyone’s collective face, and calling it a day. The fact that they let it play out the way it did for the sake of “scary alternate future development” got a cringe out of me. [/quote]
Yeah, it’s getting silly how the fights turn out to further the plot.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Backlash79 wrote:
I thought last episode moved pretty well. The future ones are always interesting, where is future badass Hiro?
Dead, remember?[/quote]
He died right before the whole earth ending event right? So he should have still been around now. But I guess since the other stuff didn’t happen in the other seasons he’s not a badass just future geeky Hiro.
[quote]machiajelly wrote:
Travacolypse wrote:
Peter + Sylar in a tekken tag match against Claire (aka captain useless), fear-sponge, and speed-girl? Please. That fight realistically should last about .0002 seconds – Peter freezing time, raping everyone’s collective face, and calling it a day. The fact that they let it play out the way it did for the sake of “scary alternate future development” got a cringe out of me.
Yeah, it’s getting silly how the fights turn out to further the plot. [/quote]
They just have too many OP (overpowered, not original poster) characters running around. A lot of these guys need to be nerfed to avoid absurd or foregone results in combat. The Haitian works as a plot device when used sparingly, but they still need to tone down the major players. I was laughing when they said the powers of the guys on level 5 (fear-sponge, sound-manip aka banshee, flamethrower aka pyro, and the “magneto” character) – if these guys are level 5, what does that make Hiro, Peter, or Sylar?
Whatever it is, it’s over 9000.
[quote]machiajelly wrote:
Travacolypse wrote:
Peter + Sylar in a tekken tag match against Claire (aka captain useless), fear-sponge, and speed-girl? Please. That fight realistically should last about .0002 seconds – Peter freezing time, raping everyone’s collective face, and calling it a day. The fact that they let it play out the way it did for the sake of “scary alternate future development” got a cringe out of me.
Yeah, it’s getting silly how the fights turn out to further the plot. [/quote]
Yeah, I have to agree and it’s frustrating to watch stuff like that. The second Peter and Sylar walked into the room, the fight should have been OVER. Peter can freeze time and read their minds and they are both telekinetic. GAME OVER!
[quote]Travacolypse wrote:
machiajelly wrote:
Travacolypse wrote:
Peter + Sylar in a tekken tag match against Claire (aka captain useless), fear-sponge, and speed-girl? Please. That fight realistically should last about .0002 seconds – Peter freezing time, raping everyone’s collective face, and calling it a day. The fact that they let it play out the way it did for the sake of “scary alternate future development” got a cringe out of me.
Yeah, it’s getting silly how the fights turn out to further the plot.
They just have too many OP (overpowered, not original poster) characters running around. A lot of these guys need to be nerfed to avoid absurd or foregone results in combat. The Haitian works as a plot device when used sparingly, but they still need to tone down the major players. I was laughing when they said the powers of the guys on level 5 (fear-sponge, sound-manip aka banshee, flamethrower aka pyro, and the “magneto” character) – if these guys are level 5, what does that make Hiro, Peter, or Sylar?
Whatever it is, it’s over 9000.[/quote]
I understood it as they were in the 5th level of security. They were there because they were “bad guys” who could do a lot of damage with the powers they have.
Level 5 has nothing to do with how powerful they are.
If the people with powers were given levels they would just be called the x-men
good try though
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Travacolypse wrote:
machiajelly wrote:
Travacolypse wrote:
Peter + Sylar in a tekken tag match against Claire (aka captain useless), fear-sponge, and speed-girl? Please. That fight realistically should last about .0002 seconds – Peter freezing time, raping everyone’s collective face, and calling it a day. The fact that they let it play out the way it did for the sake of “scary alternate future development” got a cringe out of me.
Yeah, it’s getting silly how the fights turn out to further the plot.
They just have too many OP (overpowered, not original poster) characters running around. A lot of these guys need to be nerfed to avoid absurd or foregone results in combat. The Haitian works as a plot device when used sparingly, but they still need to tone down the major players. I was laughing when they said the powers of the guys on level 5 (fear-sponge, sound-manip aka banshee, flamethrower aka pyro, and the “magneto” character) – if these guys are level 5, what does that make Hiro, Peter, or Sylar?
Whatever it is, it’s over 9000.
I understood it as they were in the 5th level of security. They were there because they were “bad guys” who could do a lot of damage with the powers they have.
Level 5 has nothing to do with how powerful they are.
If the people with powers were given levels they would just be called the x-men
good try though[/quote]
I’m not sure what I was “trying,” but I’m glad to know it’s “good.”
Putting that aside, capacity to cause damage (whether physical, psychic, or some other type altogether) is directly related to the strength and scope of the individual’s power. In other words, some hypothetical villain that has the power to grow their fingernails really, really quickly (a la family guy) will never qualify as a candidate for level 5 lockdown. That being the case, the argument that strength of ability is wholly unrelated to security level preference falls flat – the fact is that the “strongest” (however defined) are on level five. That’s the best they’ve got.
And yes, it does smell like x-men. It almost has to, but not to this degree. I thought they were taking it in another direction, and I vastly preferred living with that illusion.
[quote]Travacolypse wrote:
And yes, it does smell like x-men. It almost has to, but not to this degree. I thought they were taking it in another direction, and I vastly preferred living with that illusion.[/quote]
What other direction is there? X-Men has had decades to refine their own story lines and plots and have pretty much attacked every possible angle of how society would treat mutants. I think it is a little strange for anyone to think they will come up with something completely original at this point that has never been touched on before in comics, tv or any other form of media.
I like Heroes for what it is…but I don’t expect them to break any new ground aside from simply not using costumes.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Travacolypse wrote:
And yes, it does smell like x-men. It almost has to, but not to this degree. I thought they were taking it in another direction, and I vastly preferred living with that illusion.
What other direction is there? X-Men has had decades to refine their own story lines and plots and have pretty much attacked every possible angle of how society would treat mutants.
I think it is a little strange for anyone to think they will come up with something completely original at this point that has never been touched on before in comics, tv or any other form of media.
I like Heroes for what it is…but I don’t expect them to break any new ground aside from simply not using costumes.[/quote]
Same goes for practically the entire Sci-Fi genre now; it used to challenge society on a socio-philo-political level, but now… really fails to accomplish anything other than its own plot.
[quote]machiajelly wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Travacolypse wrote:
And yes, it does smell like x-men. It almost has to, but not to this degree. I thought they were taking it in another direction, and I vastly preferred living with that illusion.
What other direction is there? X-Men has had decades to refine their own story lines and plots and have pretty much attacked every possible angle of how society would treat mutants.
I think it is a little strange for anyone to think they will come up with something completely original at this point that has never been touched on before in comics, tv or any other form of media.
I like Heroes for what it is…but I don’t expect them to break any new ground aside from simply not using costumes.
Same goes for practically the entire Sci-Fi genre now; it used to challenge society on a socio-philo-political level, but now… really fails to accomplish anything other than its own plot.[/quote]
I quit watching the sci fi channel after they got rid of that show about the guy lost in space surrounding by aliens that look like Jim Henson creations trying to find his way home. That was about as “original” as they have gotten lately.
This is also why Hollywood is being saved by comic books movies that were initiated 40 years ago or more.
Everything has been done before. The most you can hope for now is great acting.
This even applies to most tv shows lately. House is about the only show I can say has not been done in that way before. Usually shows based on doctors glorify the doctors to an insane degree. This is one of the first where they fuck up damn near every episode until they finally get it right.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Travacolypse wrote:
And yes, it does smell like x-men. It almost has to, but not to this degree. I thought they were taking it in another direction, and I vastly preferred living with that illusion.
What other direction is there? X-Men has had decades to refine their own story lines and plots and have pretty much attacked every possible angle of how society would treat mutants.
I think it is a little strange for anyone to think they will come up with something completely original at this point that has never been touched on before in comics, tv or any other form of media.
I like Heroes for what it is…but I don’t expect them to break any new ground aside from simply not using costumes.[/quote]
Good question. It’s hard to put into specifics, but the first season didn’t feel like I was watching live-action x-men. With some of the recent level 5 villains, it feels more like they’re just pulling these guys straight from the pages of a comic book instead of putting their own spin on things.
Like I said, there’s a pyro-clone, banshee-clone, and magneto-clone (I mean, okay, he’s german and not polish, but that’s close enough for government work).
I guess the bottom line is that I accept and expect some carryover, but I’d like the number of straight deja-vu moments kept to a minimum.
Still, to reiterate a post I made awhile back, it’s a lot better than everything else on tv, so the bottom would Really have to drop out before I stop watching.
[quote]Travacolypse wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Travacolypse wrote:
And yes, it does smell like x-men. It almost has to, but not to this degree. I thought they were taking it in another direction, and I vastly preferred living with that illusion.
What other direction is there? X-Men has had decades to refine their own story lines and plots and have pretty much attacked every possible angle of how society would treat mutants.
I think it is a little strange for anyone to think they will come up with something completely original at this point that has never been touched on before in comics, tv or any other form of media.
I like Heroes for what it is…but I don’t expect them to break any new ground aside from simply not using costumes.
Good question. It’s hard to put into specifics, but the first season didn’t feel like I was watching live-action x-men. With some of the recent level 5 villains, it feels more like they’re just pulling these guys straight from the pages of a comic book instead of putting their own spin on things.
Like I said, there’s a pyro-clone, banshee-clone, and magneto-clone (I mean, okay, he’s german and not polish, but that’s close enough for government work).
I guess the bottom line is that I accept and expect some carryover, but I’d like the number of straight deja-vu moments kept to a minimum.
Still, to reiterate a post I made awhile back, it’s a lot better than everything else on tv, so the bottom would Really have to drop out before I stop watching.[/quote]
I can understand that. But I also don’t see how they could really do this that differently without making the characters very boring. X-Men has done this backwards and forwards for half a century. I don’t think there is any possible “power” they haven’t covered in detail.
The only thing they have done with Heroes is make the Rogue clones (Peter and Sylar) more powerful than all the others where as Rogue would eventually lose most of the powers she absorbed.
I think keeping them out of costumes is a good idea…and I agree, it may be one of the better shows on tv right now.
I just don’t expect anything ground breaking from it.
I will say this, Hiro’s development is moving along way too slowly (considering what they foreshadowed before).
professor x
farscape is the name of the show and i for
one miss like hell!
the current season is better than last.
[quote]Backlash79 wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Backlash79 wrote:
I thought last episode moved pretty well. The future ones are always interesting, where is future badass Hiro?
Dead, remember?
He died right before the whole earth ending event right? So he should have still been around now. But I guess since the other stuff didn’t happen in the other seasons he’s not a badass just future geeky Hiro.[/quote]
Earth ending? I thought that was just Tokyo blowing up.
[quote]Travacolypse wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Travacolypse wrote:
machiajelly wrote:
Travacolypse wrote:
I was laughing when they said the powers of the guys --------- on level 5 --------(fear-sponge, sound-manip aka banshee, flamethrower aka pyro, and the “magneto” character) – if these guys are level 5, what does that make Hiro, Peter, or Sylar?
Whatever it is, it’s over 9000.
I understood it as they were in the 5th level of security. They were there because they were “bad guys” who could do a lot of damage with the powers they have.
Level 5 has nothing to do with how powerful they are.
If the people with powers were given levels they would just be called the x-men
good try though
I’m not sure what I was “trying,” but I’m glad to know it’s “good.”
Putting that aside, capacity to cause damage (whether physical, psychic, or some other type altogether) is directly related to the strength and scope of the individual’s power.
In other words, some hypothetical villain that has the power to grow their fingernails really, really quickly (a la family guy) will never qualify as a candidate for level 5 lockdown.
That being the case, the argument that strength of ability is wholly unrelated to security level preference falls flat – the fact is that the “strongest” (however defined) are on level five. That’s the best they’ve got.
And yes, it does smell like x-men. It almost has to, but not to this degree. I thought they were taking it in another direction, and I vastly preferred living with that illusion.[/quote]
What I was trying to say was that ‘levels’ are not used to describe how powerful a “hero” could be. Its different from Xmen in that sense. Two people can mess with fire, one of them is a level five prisoner and the other is claire’s mom.
The people in level 5 are there because they are biggest bullies. It’s pretty obvious that the magnet guy was not one of the powerful people around, he wasn’t a ‘LEVEL 5’, he was merely IN level 5 of the building. Simple
Are there any good spoiler sites around? I searched around and found a lot of season 1&2 stuff
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Backlash79 wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Backlash79 wrote:
I thought last episode moved pretty well. The future ones are always interesting, where is future badass Hiro?
Dead, remember?
He died right before the whole earth ending event right? So he should have still been around now. But I guess since the other stuff didn’t happen in the other seasons he’s not a badass just future geeky Hiro.
Earth ending? I thought that was just Tokyo blowing up.[/quote]
There was a painting done by either Parkman or the African in the “dream walk” sub-plot that showed the entire globe broken apart in an explosion.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
borrek wrote:
Not to mention there was a meeting between hiro and peter on a subway train in the first season. Hiro was future hiro, with no accent. This implies that in the future he ditches his ideas about not going to the past.
Not quite, that future doesn’t happen anymore.[/quote]
The writers didn’t think that little “dead Hiro” thing totally through, and I have way too much time on my hands, so here goes…
Future Hiro knew that he was required to deliver a message to Past Peter in order for the world to be saved. If Future Hiro had died prior to being able to turn into a badass, and not gone back to speak to Past Peter, then Past Peter would not have known to “save the cheerleader, save the world”
Had Past Peter not known he was needed to save Claire, then Sylar would have been able tweak brains in Odessa. This would have caused a butterfly effect, changing the current timeline and Current Claire.
We know Current Claire is still consistent with the time path predicated by badass Future Hiro, so that Hiro-Peter meeting must have taken place which proves Future Hiro will still have the ability to travel back to deliver that message.
All that and I’m not even high…I call it a screen-writing snafu though