Hemp and Marijuana Are the Answer

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:
I wake up 5 days a week at 4:30am to lift weights, and I’m getting stronger.

This past september I landed a great new job with a 15% pay increase. In the 4 months I have been there, I have had a noticeable effect on efficiency and part delivery, and I am being well received. I put in a few extra hours (as a salaried employee) to make sure I get a few extra things done everyday I am there.

My Girlfriend (of 3 yrs) and I have a great relationship and will be married someday.

I own my own house that I am constantly making improvements on (currently adding a bathroom).

I have a great relationship with all of my family.

…but when I get home after work I smoke on or two and I become a PARASITE all those other things that SexMachine said…fucking ass-clown. I make my own decisions, not based on laws.

I’ve known seasoned stoners who quit (for years) cause they simply fell out of love of it (“I just don’t like the feeling”), or cause they were looking for a job. And guess what? They were still the same person.[/quote]

Hold your horses there fella. I didn’t call you a parasite or anything else. I just said, pot smokers have a reputation for lack of motivation and cognitive/memory problems and a lot of ne’er-do-wells are pot smokers. I’m just describing the scene in general not making any personal attacks on any individual person.[/quote]

People in general have a reputation for lack of motivation and cognitive/memory problems :slight_smile:

[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:
I would envision Phillip Morris getting their hands in it if it’s legalized everywhere
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I’m not eevn going out on a limb when I say institutions like that already have a a marketing, development and production plan in place.

Some of you are literally stoned out of your head if you think hundred million dollar companies haven’t already thought all the “weed is the bomb” thoughts you’ve had plus a couple.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Any idea why potheads have the reputation they do? Isn’t it because a lot of them are lazy, dumb, spaced out ne’er-do-wells and smelly longhairs and radicals and lay abouts? [/quote]

Sure.

Just like a lot of people who drink alcohol are aggressive, loud, bellicose wife-beaters who kill people in automobile accidents.

Just like a lot of people who use opiates are strung-out, emaciated junkies who rob, steal, kill and prostitute themselves to get the next fix, always just one syringe away from a overdose or HIV.

Just like a lot of tobacco users are smelly, gray-skinned hacking coughers with raspy voices, yellow stains on their fingers, lips and teeth, cancerous tumours on their tongues, lungs and larynges, and stomas cut into their throats.

However, many are not.

A broad brush and two or three colours makes for a bold painting, if not a very nuanced one, SexMachine.

Full disclosure, I am far more partial to a glass of red wine or a vodka tonic with grapefruit juice than I am to a toke of Mary Jane. I have smoked a bit, actually prefer ingestion to inhalation, and have come up with some magnificent story ideas shortly after a pot of chicken curry made with cannabis-infused oil. I have also come up with many great stories without the aid of cannabis, so it’s not like I NEED it, any more than I NEED a drink or a cigarette.

Of the many drugs out there, I think cannabis is one of the sillier ones, but by no means do I think it’s dangerous enough to eradicate.

Nor do I think that coca, opium poppies or the Psilocybe cubensis mushroom need to be wiped out just because some people abuse them. For that matter, I would hate to see grapes, barley and tobacco plants extincted just because people can’t control their consumption of wine, beer and cigarettes.

No, cannabis may not be the wonder drug that will heal the planet, but neither is it the evil demon weed that causes “reefer madness” which incites rioting, violence and murder, and induces good white Christian girls to listen to jazz and fuck black men, as was claimed at the congressional hearing that resulted in the illegalisation of marijuana in the previous century.

It’s a plant. Consuming it makes you laugh, say stupid stuff, think stupid thoughts, eat stupid food, and go to sleep.

It is not that big of a deal. Unless you make it one.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:
I would envision Phillip Morris getting their hands in it if it’s legalized everywhere
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I’m not eevn going out on a limb when I say institutions like that already have a a marketing, development and production plan in place.

Some of you are literally stoned out of your head if you think hundred million dollar companies haven’t already thought all the “weed is the bomb” thoughts you’ve had plus a couple. [/quote]

Yeah of course they have a plan. But they still need it to be legalized nationwide before they could implement it.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:
Carl Sagan says different about the whole opening up your mind aspect. He experienced exactly that. I believe he published some work based on thoughts he came up with while stoned.
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I’ll be sure to base all my expectations on rare examples rather than general trends…

Something tells me he would have had zero problem coming up with that “stuff” sober, drinking, or whatever. Too many people heep too much praise for shit they would have done anyway on getting fucked up. Which is irritating.

If you like burning one now and again, or even everyday… Who gives a shit, do what you like. Just spare us the “it’s so good for you man” hippy bullshit. [/quote]

You make a good and fair point, so let me explain.

Sagan let it influence a bit of his work, and it actually helped him come up with different twists on concepts he otherwise wouldn’t have had, or so he says… What he did was take notes while stoned and come back to them while he was not stoned.

Ideas he got while stoned influenced his entire perception, and were therefor applied to a lot of his works rather than any singular definitive publishing.

He argued the nature of simply getting stoned gave a different perspective. He seemed to be pretty aware of dosing, and felt strongly that there is a creative sweet spot with cannabis. He felt that people should be responsible enough to dose on their own and that people will find that dose for themselves.

I’d link a story, but really nobody reads. If you look him up you will find the same, and you will find that there were other researchers, such as researchers in psychology that came to other conclusions while stoned.

Psychology, as it turns out has a fuckload of research, but a huge problem with being able to reproduce results… To the point it seems a lot of the things we thought we could predict really aren’t predictable.

As a money guy (you), it kind of pays into the idea of, “The future doesn’t exist.” Which is a contemporary and more liberal way of looking at capitalism in a positive and hopeful way… Kind of hoping it drives progress for good which is what my MBA sibling believes in, who also dabbles in CBD and cannabis.

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

Maybe ill become an alcoholic since that’s “woven into society” …[/quote]

In all due fairness, alcohol is one of the major reasons we were able to thrive as a species. In times and places where you couldn’t drink the water, you could drink the beer. [/quote]

i know this, but the negatives surrounding alcohol use far exceed that of weed.
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Fair points from both of you. Alcohol had a very pragmatic way of making it’s way into our lives as Countingbeans points out… But, also too much alcohol is good for nobody. It’s about moderation.

Then, we have guys like SexMachine taking pharmaceutical grade heroine for his pain, while being scared to death of smoking pot. The hegemony of his life tells him it’s the devil and there’s no convincing him otherwise short of God or some other holy guy he respects telling him it’s okay.

Fuck trying to convince people that illegality creates a type of demand and race between drugs like cannabis and say cocaine, as happens in tourist destinations like Barbados, Trinidad and St. Vincent… Where cannabis is cracked down on and cocaine is all of a sudden as available or more available as cannabis. And the poor who make a little money off of vacationers with cannabis are fucked over by “big fish” importers of harsher drugs who tend to be allied with local politicians and port authorities.

People have no fucking idea.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Any idea why potheads have the reputation they do? Isn’t it because a lot of them are lazy, dumb, spaced out ne’er-do-wells and smelly longhairs and radicals and lay abouts? [/quote]

Sure.

Just like a lot of people who drink alcohol are aggressive, loud, bellicose wife-beaters who kill people in automobile accidents.

Just like a lot of people who use opiates are strung-out, emaciated junkies who rob, steal, kill and prostitute themselves to get the next fix, always just one syringe away from a overdose or HIV.

Just like a lot of tobacco users are smelly, gray-skinned hacking coughers with raspy voices, yellow stains on their fingers, lips and teeth, cancerous tumours on their tongues, lungs and larynges, and stomas cut into their throats.

However, many are not.

A broad brush and two or three colours makes for a bold painting, if not a very nuanced one, SexMachine.

Full disclosure, I am far more partial to a glass of red wine or a vodka tonic with grapefruit juice than I am to a toke of Mary Jane. I have smoked a bit, actually prefer ingestion to inhalation, and have come up with some magnificent story ideas shortly after a pot of chicken curry made with cannabis-infused oil. I have also come up with many great stories without the aid of cannabis, so it’s not like I NEED it, any more than I NEED a drink or a cigarette.

Of the many drugs out there, I think cannabis is one of the sillier ones, but by no means do I think it’s dangerous enough to eradicate.

Nor do I think that coca, opium poppies or the Psilocybe cubensis mushroom need to be wiped out just because some people abuse them. For that matter, I would hate to see grapes, barley and tobacco plants extincted just because people can’t control their consumption of wine, beer and cigarettes.

No, cannabis may not be the wonder drug that will heal the planet, but neither is it the evil demon weed that causes “reefer madness” which incites rioting, violence and murder, and induces good white Christian girls to listen to jazz and fuck black men, as was claimed at the congressional hearing that resulted in the illegalisation of marijuana in the previous century.

It’s a plant. Consuming it makes you laugh, say stupid stuff, think stupid thoughts, eat stupid food, and go to sleep.

It is not that big of a deal. Unless you make it one.[/quote]

You’re painting a picture of a relatively benign substance which is simply not true. One of the things about pot is the unpredictable effects such as the alarming number of young people developing serious mental illness - induced by heavy marijuana use. I know it doesn’t effect everyone like that but it does happen. I’ve seen it. I’ve seen a kid get nuttier and nuttier and more off the planet the more he smoked. He developed full blown schizophrenia and eventually jumped off a cliff killing himself after a camping trip with friends. I knew the guy real well. Every time he smoked he got paranoid and delusional and eventually he started “hearing voices” and we all knew he was a schizophrenic. Very sad. I went to the funeral and talked to his mother and his brother at the wake.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Any idea why potheads have the reputation they do? Isn’t it because a lot of them are lazy, dumb, spaced out ne’er-do-wells and smelly longhairs and radicals and lay abouts? [/quote]

Sure.

Just like a lot of people who drink alcohol are aggressive, loud, bellicose wife-beaters who kill people in automobile accidents.

Just like a lot of people who use opiates are strung-out, emaciated junkies who rob, steal, kill and prostitute themselves to get the next fix, always just one syringe away from a overdose or HIV.

Just like a lot of tobacco users are smelly, gray-skinned hacking coughers with raspy voices, yellow stains on their fingers, lips and teeth, cancerous tumours on their tongues, lungs and larynges, and stomas cut into their throats.

However, many are not.

A broad brush and two or three colours makes for a bold painting, if not a very nuanced one, SexMachine.

Full disclosure, I am far more partial to a glass of red wine or a vodka tonic with grapefruit juice than I am to a toke of Mary Jane. I have smoked a bit, actually prefer ingestion to inhalation, and have come up with some magnificent story ideas shortly after a pot of chicken curry made with cannabis-infused oil. I have also come up with many great stories without the aid of cannabis, so it’s not like I NEED it, any more than I NEED a drink or a cigarette.

Of the many drugs out there, I think cannabis is one of the sillier ones, but by no means do I think it’s dangerous enough to eradicate.

Nor do I think that coca, opium poppies or the Psilocybe cubensis mushroom need to be wiped out just because some people abuse them. For that matter, I would hate to see grapes, barley and tobacco plants extincted just because people can’t control their consumption of wine, beer and cigarettes.

No, cannabis may not be the wonder drug that will heal the planet, but neither is it the evil demon weed that causes “reefer madness” which incites rioting, violence and murder, and induces good white Christian girls to listen to jazz and fuck black men, as was claimed at the congressional hearing that resulted in the illegalisation of marijuana in the previous century.

It’s a plant. Consuming it makes you laugh, say stupid stuff, think stupid thoughts, eat stupid food, and go to sleep.

It is not that big of a deal. Unless you make it one.[/quote]

You’re painting a picture of a relatively benign substance which is simply not true. One of the things about pot is the unpredictable effects such as the alarming number of young people developing serious mental illness - induced by heavy marijuana use. I know it doesn’t effect everyone like that but it does happen. I’ve seen it. I’ve seen a kid get nuttier and nuttier and more off the planet the more he smoked. He developed full blown schizophrenia and eventually jumped off a cliff killing himself after a camping trip with friends. I knew the guy real well. Every time he smoked he got paranoid and delusional and eventually he started “hearing voices” and we all knew he was a schizophrenic. Very sad. I went to the funeral and talked to his mother and his brother at the wake.[/quote]

Sounds like you have causation and co-relation mixed up. Pot can make people anxious and paranoid, especially if they are new to it and take too big a dose.

It’s actually the case unfortunately that pot brings about paranoia and anxiousness acutely in people who are paranoid schizophrenic… It’s like throwing fire on fire with some people. That is one caveat that people should be aware of with people who have mental illnesses. It doesn’t cause schizophrenia, it seems to encourage episodes of delusion in people who ARE schizophrenic.

Let’s not forget also that any mind-altering substance will have unpredictable and undesirable effects on a certain percentage of the population, often exacerbating the very condition they are prescribed to ameliorate. Antidepressants and anti-anxiety drugs can cause psychotic episodes and suicidal ideation, sleeping pills can cause sleep-walking, sleep-driving and even sleep-sex with total strangers.

The drug companies know this, but if the number of test subjects during the trials experiencing these side effects is an acceptable minimum, the drug will go into production. Then as long as the drugs are accompanied by an encyclopedic list of all possible side effects, the company is protected from damaging lawsuits when somebody freaks out and shoots up a school or takes a swan dive off a building while taking their product

And I have no problem putting the number of people who have verifiably died as a direct result of cannabis use over the last five thousand years against the number of people who have died as a result of taking aspirin in the last five.

Call cannabis “dangerous” if you like, then name me an activity that is completely without risk. You’re more likely to die from choking on a chicken bone than you are to die from smoking a joint. I assume you have no intention of eradicating chickens.

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]streamline wrote:
Repeated studies show Hemp oil as a major medicine from cancer fighting to seizures.

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All other stuff aside, lets analyze this comment.

Do you really believe that if Hemp Oil was the a major medical discovery that Pharmaceutical companies would not be making and selling this miracle cure already?

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Except for the fact that cannabinoid medications (e.g., Marinol, nabilone) have already been put to market by Big Pharma…

While I think it’s safe to say that the health care applications of cannabinoids have been overstated by a certain lobby, is it not equally disingenuous to assume that pharmaceutical companies would be all over it if it actually were a cure? They’re in it to turn a profit, not cure disease. There’s a reason why they churn out new antidepressants, shy away from developing new antibiotics, and run full-tilt from orphan drugs if they can get away with it.

I am of the belief that cannabinoids have a lot of potential as a drug class. Will they cure cancer? That’s probably a load of BS. But cannabis has been studied to a far greater extent than most of the drugs put on the market and was known in the medical community for its large therapeutic index/safety profile prior to the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937. There are several indications for which cannabinoids are approved for (e.g., antiemetic, appetite stimulant) and many off-label uses for which they hold a fair amount of promise. This doesn’t mean that people have to smoke it, so developing a good way of controlling dose and a good ROA would be good from a pharmaceutical standpoint.

On a side note, if you want to smoke it for recreation, I don’t care about that. Legalize the shit out of it.[/quote]

Interesting read from a Business stand point. I love how Big Pharma is demonized as the ultimate Super Villain like the world is a comic book. The reality of the situation is the research alone for developing medications is not understood by the public.

The fact that this thread is still going on proves that there are bigger problems in our society than the legalization of marijuana. Who the hell cares? If smoking pot is that important to you then move to Colorado. If you don’t want to be around it then to move to Texas. Done.

[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
If you don’t want to be around it then to move to Texas. Done.[/quote]

I’ve lived in three states for big chunks of time: TX, CA, and WA. I didn’t notice that Texas had less of a pot-smoking population than the other two states.

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
If you don’t want to be around it then to move to Texas. Done.[/quote]

I’ve lived in three states for big chunks of time: TX, CA, and WA. I didn’t notice that Texas had less of a pot-smoking population than the other two states. [/quote]

There are definitely less people here that smoke pot than in Cali. You probably wouldn’t notice it if you hang out in those circles; however, because you’ll always have pot smokers around you if you live in that bubble.

My point is that it is not legal in Texas and it is not likely to become legal here any time in the near future. Texas also has steeper penalties for drug possession than most other states so it isn’t a very wise place for a pot smoker to make their home; whereas, CA, CO and WA would be ideal since it is legal and easy to acquire.

I feel like I’m reading the script for an after school special. The refer madness!!!

Weed is like almost everything else in this world. Excess = Bad. Moderation = Ok. Like Coca Cola, Alcohol, porn, McDonald’s, ad infinitum…

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I feel like I’m reading the script for an after school special. The refer madness!!!

Weed is like almost everything else in this world. Excess = Bad. Moderation = Ok. Like Coca Cola, Alcohol, porn, McDonald’s, ad infinitum…
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BUT IT CAN CURE CANCER, HERPES AND I’M PRETTY SURE STABILIZE THE NATIONAL DEBT.

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I feel like I’m reading the script for an after school special. The refer madness!!!

Weed is like almost everything else in this world. Excess = Bad. Moderation = Ok. Like Coca Cola, Alcohol, porn, McDonald’s, ad infinitum…
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BUT IT CAN CURE CANCER, HERPES AND I’M PRETTY SURE STABILIZE THE NATIONAL DEBT.

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WEAPONIZE IT, NOW!!!

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I feel like I’m reading the script for an after school special. The refer madness!!!

Weed is like almost everything else in this world. Excess = Bad. Moderation = Ok. Like Coca Cola, Alcohol, porn, McDonald’s, ad infinitum…
[/quote]
BUT IT CAN CURE CANCER, HERPES AND I’M PRETTY SURE STABILIZE THE NATIONAL DEBT.

[/quote]

WEAPONIZE IT, NOW!!![/quote]
DOWN WITH WHITEY…wait

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I feel like I’m reading the script for an after school special. The refer madness!!!

Weed is like almost everything else in this world. Excess = Bad. Moderation = Ok. Like Coca Cola, Alcohol, porn, McDonald’s, ad infinitum…
[/quote]
BUT IT CAN CURE CANCER, HERPES AND I’M PRETTY SURE STABILIZE THE NATIONAL DEBT.

[/quote]

WEAPONIZE IT, NOW!!![/quote]
DOWN WITH WHITEY…wait[/quote]

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