Hemp and Marijuana Are the Answer

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I feel like I’m reading the script for an after school special. The refer madness!!!

Weed is like almost everything else in this world. Excess = Bad. Moderation = Ok. Like Coca Cola, Alcohol, porn, McDonald’s, ad infinitum…
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BUT IT CAN CURE CANCER, HERPES AND I’M PRETTY SURE STABILIZE THE NATIONAL DEBT.

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WEAPONIZE IT, NOW!!![/quote]
DOWN WITH WHITEY…wait[/quote]

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What have you done…[/quote]
Sigh now I’ve done it again.

Shit I hate it when I do that.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
And I have no problem putting the number of people who have verifiably died as a direct result of cannabis use over the last five thousand years against the number of people who have died as a result of taking aspirin in the last five.
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but but … hold on, let me get this stick out of my ass so i can make myself sound stupid for comparing alcohol and prescription heroin to a plant.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
You’re more likely to die from choking on a chicken bone than you are to die from smoking a joint. I assume you have no intention of eradicating chickens.[/quote]

Reminded me of this:

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[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
The fact that this thread is still going on proves that there are bigger problems in our society than the legalization of marijuana. Who the hell cares? If smoking pot is that important to you then move to Colorado. If you don’t want to be around it then to move to Texas. Done.[/quote]
This is an incredibly ridiculous stance to take.

When something illegal should by all logic and evidence be legal, the solution is not “move to where it’s legal.” The solution is to push for legalization everywhere and stop allowing irrational fear rule policy making.

And the condescension towards people who care about different issues than you is a huge pet peeve of mine. What issues are so important to you that you think supersede everything else, and what exactly are you yourself doing to help solve them?

The beauty of having 7 billion people exchanging ideas is that gasp we can actually solve more than one issue simultaneously.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
The fact that this thread is still going on proves that there are bigger problems in our society than the legalization of marijuana. Who the hell cares? If smoking pot is that important to you then move to Colorado. If you don’t want to be around it then to move to Texas. Done.[/quote]
This is an incredibly ridiculous stance to take.

When something illegal should by all logic and evidence be legal, the solution is not “move to where it’s legal.” The solution is to push for legalization everywhere and stop allowing irrational fear rule policy making.

And the condescension towards people who care about different issues than you is a huge pet peeve of mine. What issues are so important to you that you think supersede everything else, and what exactly are you yourself doing to help solve them?

The beauty of having 7 billion people exchanging ideas is that gasp we can actually solve more than one issue simultaneously.[/quote]

Hey buddy,

You’d better make sure you know what someone’s standpoint is AND why they took that standpoint before you go off and call it ridiculous. I actually would support the legalization of marijuana if it ever came to a vote here in TX.

You should also understand that something that “should logically be made legal” in your mind is “something that should logically remain illegal” in another person’s mind and those people’s opinions are every bit as valid as your’s because we are all citizens of the same country.

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[quote]Loftearmen wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
The fact that this thread is still going on proves that there are bigger problems in our society than the legalization of marijuana. Who the hell cares? If smoking pot is that important to you then move to Colorado. If you don’t want to be around it then to move to Texas. Done.[/quote]
This is an incredibly ridiculous stance to take.

When something illegal should by all logic and evidence be legal, the solution is not “move to where it’s legal.” The solution is to push for legalization everywhere and stop allowing irrational fear rule policy making.

And the condescension towards people who care about different issues than you is a huge pet peeve of mine. What issues are so important to you that you think supersede everything else, and what exactly are you yourself doing to help solve them?

The beauty of having 7 billion people exchanging ideas is that gasp we can actually solve more than one issue simultaneously.[/quote]

Hey buddy,

You’d better make sure you know what someone’s standpoint is AND why they took that standpoint before you go off and call it ridiculous. I actually would support the legalization of marijuana if it ever came to a vote here in TX.

You should also understand that something that “should logically be made legal” in your mind is “something that should logically remain illegal” in another person’s mind and those people’s opinions are every bit as valid as your’s because we are all citizens of the same country.
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I don’t think I made any statement regarding your position, in fact. You made a stupid statement, I pointed it out.

Please explain what pressing issues nullify the concern over the legalization of marijuana, as you made sure you let everyone know shouldn’t matter. Immediate disqualification if you reference “pussification of America” in any iteration.

And it’s also without question false to say everyone’s opinion carries the same weight. Yes, we all have equal power to vote. However, someone like Bill gates has a much more publicly valid opinion than you or I because of his status. In much the same fashion, my, and apparently your, opinion that weed should be legal is significantly more valid than the contrary. There is no way to claim logic is behind keeping marijuana illegal just as is there is no way to claim there is logic behind the opinion that creationism should be taught in science class. It’s stupidity no matter how you slice it.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]Loftearmen wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
The fact that this thread is still going on proves that there are bigger problems in our society than the legalization of marijuana. Who the hell cares? If smoking pot is that important to you then move to Colorado. If you don’t want to be around it then to move to Texas. Done.[/quote]
This is an incredibly ridiculous stance to take.

When something illegal should by all logic and evidence be legal, the solution is not “move to where it’s legal.” The solution is to push for legalization everywhere and stop allowing irrational fear rule policy making.

And the condescension towards people who care about different issues than you is a huge pet peeve of mine. What issues are so important to you that you think supersede everything else, and what exactly are you yourself doing to help solve them?

The beauty of having 7 billion people exchanging ideas is that gasp we can actually solve more than one issue simultaneously.[/quote]

Hey buddy,

You’d better make sure you know what someone’s standpoint is AND why they took that standpoint before you go off and call it ridiculous. I actually would support the legalization of marijuana if it ever came to a vote here in TX.

You should also understand that something that “should logically be made legal” in your mind is “something that should logically remain illegal” in another person’s mind and those people’s opinions are every bit as valid as your’s because we are all citizens of the same country.
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I don’t think I made any statement regarding your position, in fact. You made a stupid statement, I pointed it out.

Please explain what pressing issues nullify the concern over the legalization of marijuana, as you made sure you let everyone know shouldn’t matter. Immediate disqualification if you reference “pussification of America” in any iteration.

And it’s also without question false to say everyone’s opinion carries the same weight. Yes, we all have equal power to vote. However, someone like Bill gates has a much more publicly valid opinion than you or I because of his status. In much the same fashion, my, and apparently your, opinion that weed should be legal is significantly more valid than the contrary. There is no way to claim logic is behind keeping marijuana illegal just as is there is no way to claim there is logic behind the opinion that creationism should be taught in science class. It’s stupidity no matter how you slice it.[/quote]

Ah, and there in lies the problem. You don’t believe in a deity so you think that you’re the greatest thing in the universe and have no respect for people who have opinions different than your own. I didn’t realize I was speaking with a narcissist or I wouldn’t have even bothered voicing my opinion since you already know everything.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]streamline wrote:
Repeated studies show Hemp oil as a major medicine from cancer fighting to seizures.

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All other stuff aside, lets analyze this comment.

Do you really believe that if Hemp Oil was the a major medical discovery that Pharmaceutical companies would not be making and selling this miracle cure already?

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Except for the fact that cannabinoid medications (e.g., Marinol, nabilone) have already been put to market by Big Pharma…

While I think it’s safe to say that the health care applications of cannabinoids have been overstated by a certain lobby, is it not equally disingenuous to assume that pharmaceutical companies would be all over it if it actually were a cure? They’re in it to turn a profit, not cure disease. There’s a reason why they churn out new antidepressants, shy away from developing new antibiotics, and run full-tilt from orphan drugs if they can get away with it.

I am of the belief that cannabinoids have a lot of potential as a drug class. Will they cure cancer? That’s probably a load of BS. But cannabis has been studied to a far greater extent than most of the drugs put on the market and was known in the medical community for its large therapeutic index/safety profile prior to the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937. There are several indications for which cannabinoids are approved for (e.g., antiemetic, appetite stimulant) and many off-label uses for which they hold a fair amount of promise. This doesn’t mean that people have to smoke it, so developing a good way of controlling dose and a good ROA would be good from a pharmaceutical standpoint.

On a side note, if you want to smoke it for recreation, I don’t care about that. Legalize the shit out of it.[/quote]

Interesting read from a Business stand point. I love how Big Pharma is demonized as the ultimate Super Villain like the world is a comic book. The reality of the situation is the research alone for developing medications is not understood by the public. [/quote]

Big Pharma is not any more inherently evil than any other corporate industry. It just operates along a profit motive, much the same as the rest of the corporate world, though it is definitely bound by its own unique set of rules.

It’s not that they never develop new antibiotics. It’s just that they tend to be a lesser priority unless incentives/regulations create enough pressure to make it an attractive option.

Here’s a direct quote from the article:

“The reasons for the flight away from anti-bacterial agents are many-fold and well-founded, including the fact that company research and development resources can be invested into other therapeutic areas that typically have a much higher rate of return.”

Thanks for the article BTW! Would’ve liked it to go a little more in depth into the science, but it definitely made me curious as to just how good this new drug is.

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[quote]Loftearmen wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]Loftearmen wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
The fact that this thread is still going on proves that there are bigger problems in our society than the legalization of marijuana. Who the hell cares? If smoking pot is that important to you then move to Colorado. If you don’t want to be around it then to move to Texas. Done.[/quote]
This is an incredibly ridiculous stance to take.

When something illegal should by all logic and evidence be legal, the solution is not “move to where it’s legal.” The solution is to push for legalization everywhere and stop allowing irrational fear rule policy making.

And the condescension towards people who care about different issues than you is a huge pet peeve of mine. What issues are so important to you that you think supersede everything else, and what exactly are you yourself doing to help solve them?

The beauty of having 7 billion people exchanging ideas is that gasp we can actually solve more than one issue simultaneously.[/quote]

Hey buddy,

You’d better make sure you know what someone’s standpoint is AND why they took that standpoint before you go off and call it ridiculous. I actually would support the legalization of marijuana if it ever came to a vote here in TX.

You should also understand that something that “should logically be made legal” in your mind is “something that should logically remain illegal” in another person’s mind and those people’s opinions are every bit as valid as your’s because we are all citizens of the same country.
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I don’t think I made any statement regarding your position, in fact. You made a stupid statement, I pointed it out.

Please explain what pressing issues nullify the concern over the legalization of marijuana, as you made sure you let everyone know shouldn’t matter. Immediate disqualification if you reference “pussification of America” in any iteration.

And it’s also without question false to say everyone’s opinion carries the same weight. Yes, we all have equal power to vote. However, someone like Bill gates has a much more publicly valid opinion than you or I because of his status. In much the same fashion, my, and apparently your, opinion that weed should be legal is significantly more valid than the contrary. There is no way to claim logic is behind keeping marijuana illegal just as is there is no way to claim there is logic behind the opinion that creationism should be taught in science class. It’s stupidity no matter how you slice it.[/quote]

Ah, and there in lies the problem. You don’t believe in a deity so you think that you’re the greatest thing in the universe and have no respect for people who have opinions different than your own. I didn’t realize I was speaking with a narcissist or I wouldn’t have even bothered voicing my opinion since you already know everything.
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What? A problem with believing in a deity or not believing in one leads you to narcissism?

That’s actually a load of misguided hooey. It was proven by Plato with is Euthyphro story long before Jesus stepped foot on the planet. Read it. The Internet Classics Archive | Euthyphro by Plato

There is a difference between being skeptical and guided by rational things, evidence and science, and being a denialist, believing in faith, tradition, and cultural norm as a guide.

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[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
You don’t believe in a deity so you think that you’re the greatest thing in the universe and have no respect for people who have opinions different than your own. I didn’t realize I was speaking with a narcissist or I wouldn’t have even bothered voicing my opinion since you already know everything.
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First of all, a belief that creationism should not be taught in school does not necessarily indicate lack of belief in a deity. Lots of Christians and the overwhelming majority of observant Jews do not believe in a literal reading of Genesis 1, or in any case agree with Steven Jay Gould that religion and science occupy non-overlapping magesteria.

Second, in my experience, people who believe in a personal deity are more likely to be narcissistic and solipsistic than non-believers.

After all, until relatively recently it was Church doctrine that the earth was literally the centre of creation, and many religious people are still convinced that the vast cosmos, with its billions of galaxies and quadrillions of stars, was specially created entirely for the benefit of a single species of mammalian primate clinging to a damp blue rock on the outer rim of a minor galaxy, and that the omnipotent creator of the UNIVERSE takes a personal interest in the affairs and behavior of individuals of this species of mammalian primate, even going so far as to personally intervene on behalf of some of them.

Makes one wonder what these folks have been smoking.

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[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]streamline wrote:
Repeated studies show Hemp oil as a major medicine from cancer fighting to seizures.

[/quote]
All other stuff aside, lets analyze this comment.

Do you really believe that if Hemp Oil was the a major medical discovery that Pharmaceutical companies would not be making and selling this miracle cure already?

[/quote]

Except for the fact that cannabinoid medications (e.g., Marinol, nabilone) have already been put to market by Big Pharma…

While I think it’s safe to say that the health care applications of cannabinoids have been overstated by a certain lobby, is it not equally disingenuous to assume that pharmaceutical companies would be all over it if it actually were a cure? They’re in it to turn a profit, not cure disease. There’s a reason why they churn out new antidepressants, shy away from developing new antibiotics, and run full-tilt from orphan drugs if they can get away with it.

I am of the belief that cannabinoids have a lot of potential as a drug class. Will they cure cancer? That’s probably a load of BS. But cannabis has been studied to a far greater extent than most of the drugs put on the market and was known in the medical community for its large therapeutic index/safety profile prior to the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937. There are several indications for which cannabinoids are approved for (e.g., antiemetic, appetite stimulant) and many off-label uses for which they hold a fair amount of promise. This doesn’t mean that people have to smoke it, so developing a good way of controlling dose and a good ROA would be good from a pharmaceutical standpoint.

On a side note, if you want to smoke it for recreation, I don’t care about that. Legalize the shit out of it.[/quote]

Interesting read from a Business stand point. I love how Big Pharma is demonized as the ultimate Super Villain like the world is a comic book. The reality of the situation is the research alone for developing medications is not understood by the public. [/quote]

Big Pharma is not any more inherently evil than any other corporate industry. It just operates along a profit motive, much the same as the rest of the corporate world, though it is definitely bound by its own unique set of rules.

It’s not that they never develop new antibiotics. It’s just that they tend to be a lesser priority unless incentives/regulations create enough pressure to make it an attractive option.

Here’s a direct quote from the article:

“The reasons for the flight away from anti-bacterial agents are many-fold and well-founded, including the fact that company research and development resources can be invested into other therapeutic areas that typically have a much higher rate of return.”

Thanks for the article BTW! Would’ve liked it to go a little more in depth into the science, but it definitely made me curious as to just how good this new drug is.[/quote]
No problem. Sorry but there is a growing contingent of people who have demonized any type of business entity, its almost a Marxist view of the world.

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So really the question that need’s to be asked is:

Do drugs make the man, does the man make the drugs?

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

No problem. Sorry but there is a growing contingent of people who have demonized any type of business entity, its almost a Marxist view of the world.

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IIRC you’re at an upper-management level in a company, right? I bet you’ve seen a lot of that!

As a general rule, I believe that most of the time when people jump to outright vilify/martyr something, they haven’t thought it through carefully enough. It’s no exception when that “something” happens to be big business. Sure, opponents can find lots of examples of unscrupulous acts to the detriment of people, animals, the environment, etc. But they often also do big business a disservice by failing to give credit where it is due by ignoring the role of business in the rapid rate of progress in technological innovation, standard of living, and health care we’ve enjoyed.

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[quote]Loftearmen wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]Loftearmen wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
The fact that this thread is still going on proves that there are bigger problems in our society than the legalization of marijuana. Who the hell cares? If smoking pot is that important to you then move to Colorado. If you don’t want to be around it then to move to Texas. Done.[/quote]
This is an incredibly ridiculous stance to take.

When something illegal should by all logic and evidence be legal, the solution is not “move to where it’s legal.” The solution is to push for legalization everywhere and stop allowing irrational fear rule policy making.

And the condescension towards people who care about different issues than you is a huge pet peeve of mine. What issues are so important to you that you think supersede everything else, and what exactly are you yourself doing to help solve them?

The beauty of having 7 billion people exchanging ideas is that gasp we can actually solve more than one issue simultaneously.[/quote]

Hey buddy,

You’d better make sure you know what someone’s standpoint is AND why they took that standpoint before you go off and call it ridiculous. I actually would support the legalization of marijuana if it ever came to a vote here in TX.

You should also understand that something that “should logically be made legal” in your mind is “something that should logically remain illegal” in another person’s mind and those people’s opinions are every bit as valid as your’s because we are all citizens of the same country.
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I don’t think I made any statement regarding your position, in fact. You made a stupid statement, I pointed it out.

Please explain what pressing issues nullify the concern over the legalization of marijuana, as you made sure you let everyone know shouldn’t matter. Immediate disqualification if you reference “pussification of America” in any iteration.

And it’s also without question false to say everyone’s opinion carries the same weight. Yes, we all have equal power to vote. However, someone like Bill gates has a much more publicly valid opinion than you or I because of his status. In much the same fashion, my, and apparently your, opinion that weed should be legal is significantly more valid than the contrary. There is no way to claim logic is behind keeping marijuana illegal just as is there is no way to claim there is logic behind the opinion that creationism should be taught in science class. It’s stupidity no matter how you slice it.[/quote]

Ah, and there in lies the problem. You don’t believe in a deity so you think that you’re the greatest thing in the universe and have no respect for people who have opinions different than your own. I didn’t realize I was speaking with a narcissist or I wouldn’t have even bothered voicing my opinion since you already know everything.
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“You’d better make sure you know what someone’s standpoint is AND why they took that standpoint before you go off and call it ridiculous.”

Ftr, Catholics don’t irrationally reject science just because the bible says something :wink:

Now quit backtracking and defend the statement that started the argument.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
You don’t believe in a deity so you think that you’re the greatest thing in the universe and have no respect for people who have opinions different than your own. I didn’t realize I was speaking with a narcissist or I wouldn’t have even bothered voicing my opinion since you already know everything.
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First of all, a belief that creationism should not be taught in school does not necessarily indicate lack of belief in a deity. Lots of Christians and the overwhelming majority of observant Jews do not believe in a literal reading of Genesis 1, or in any case agree with Steven Jay Gould that religion and science occupy non-overlapping magesteria.

Second, in my experience, people who believe in a personal deity are more likely to be narcissistic and solipsistic than non-believers.

After all, until relatively recently it was Church doctrine that the earth was literally the centre of creation, and many religious people are still convinced that the vast cosmos, with its billions of galaxies and quadrillions of stars, was specially created entirely for the benefit of a single species of mammalian primate clinging to a damp blue rock on the outer rim of a minor galaxy, and that the omnipotent creator of the UNIVERSE takes a personal interest in the affairs and behavior of individuals of this species of mammalian primate, even going so far as to personally intervene on behalf of some of them.

Makes one wonder what these folks have been smoking.

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Can’t say it any better than that, really.

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On point, we need to stop with this “everyone’s opinion matters” crap. In a vacuum, I suppose that’s true. But society is not a vacuum. People consistently demonstrate the worth of their opinions by their actions and by the evidence they use to support their opinions. Fighting to keep marijuana illegal is simply not an opinion based on evidence. It’s kept around because the middle-aged population grew up with “reefer madness” and can’t seem to let go of the idea that weed is a boogeyman because it challenges something that they learned growing up. It’s always tough to combat those opinions precisely because they aren’t evidence based.

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[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

No problem. Sorry but there is a growing contingent of people who have demonized any type of business entity, its almost a Marxist view of the world.

[/quote]

IIRC you’re at an upper-management level in a company, right? I bet you’ve seen a lot of that!

As a general rule, I believe that most of the time when people jump to outright vilify/martyr something, they haven’t thought it through carefully enough. It’s no exception when that “something” happens to be big business. Sure, opponents can find lots of examples of unscrupulous acts to the detriment of people, animals, the environment, etc. But they often also do big business a disservice by failing to give credit where it is due by ignoring the role of business in the rapid rate of progress in technological innovation, standard of living, and health care we’ve enjoyed.[/quote]
I own a business and manage a division under the Corp umbrella. No one is free of oversight today, larger corporation are like driving a tanker ship, it takes a LONG time to make any changes. Its not 12 old crusty men at a table planning on making as much money as possible and killing anyone who gets in their way.

I blame Hollywood :slight_smile:

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

No problem. Sorry but there is a growing contingent of people who have demonized any type of business entity, its almost a Marxist view of the world.

[/quote]

IIRC you’re at an upper-management level in a company, right? I bet you’ve seen a lot of that!

As a general rule, I believe that most of the time when people jump to outright vilify/martyr something, they haven’t thought it through carefully enough. It’s no exception when that “something” happens to be big business. Sure, opponents can find lots of examples of unscrupulous acts to the detriment of people, animals, the environment, etc. But they often also do big business a disservice by failing to give credit where it is due by ignoring the role of business in the rapid rate of progress in technological innovation, standard of living, and health care we’ve enjoyed.[/quote]
I own a business and manage a division under the Corp umbrella. No one is free of oversight today, larger corporation are like driving a tanker ship, it takes a LONG time to make any changes. Its not 12 old crusty men at a table planning on making as much money as possible and killing anyone who gets in their way.

I blame Hollywood :slight_smile: [/quote]

Lol, aint that the truth. I work for a pretty large company that’s in the process of merging with another large company. We started the Merger in July of 2013. IIRC we are on schedule to finish by the end of 2016; although, I think the original plan was through 2017.