[quote]Aggv wrote:
Maybe ill become an alcoholic since that’s “woven into society” …[/quote]
In all due fairness, alcohol is one of the major reasons we were able to thrive as a species. In times and places where you couldn’t drink the water, you could drink the beer.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
Maybe ill become an alcoholic since that’s “woven into society” …[/quote]
In all due fairness, alcohol is one of the major reasons we were able to thrive as a species. In times and places where you couldn’t drink the water, you could drink the beer. [/quote]
i know this, but the negatives surrounding alcohol use far exceed that of weed.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Marijuana is far more harmful than most people realize.[/quote]
Here’s the thing man, no weed isn’t good for you. That is why the tales of wonder drug you read about on naturalnews.com and shit are laughable. It doesn’t expand your mind, it doesn’t make you a better person and it doesn’t really do much to further your life. It is still a drug, and a mind altering substance.
But at the end of the day, it is arguably less harmful than shit like casual sex and drinking (in equal proportions.) So, given that, and that people are going to smoke the shit anyway, the issue comes down to freedom.
Relatively speaking, weed is very trivial compared to a lot of the stuff humans do on an day to day that is harmful. So people should be free to smoke it or not. I bet the stress form my working life is worse for me than weed. (But I contribute to society while doing it, lol. When weed is illegal, there is no contribution to society.)
I’ve smoked my fair share in my life, don’t like it, nor want to anymore, and do regret the volume and frequency at times. I was lucky a couple times I didn’t get jammed up and should have been. No it didn’t add to my quality of life, and made me lazier than when I didn’t smoke. My entire life became about getting another bag, lol. Legal or not, I grew out of it. [/quote]
If you’ve never smoked it before it’s not a good idea to start. And I’m sure for most people who smoke regularly their lives would be improved if they stopped. Heaving said that I don’t condone intrusive measures by law enforcement or imprisoning people for possession of marijuana. But I think the pendulum has gone too far in the leniency direction with the “medical” marijuana racket and the legalisation movement. The Drudge Report has drawn attention to quite a few articles about the negative effects of legalisation in states that have legalised or decriminalised it.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
Maybe ill become an alcoholic since that’s “woven into society” …[/quote]
In all due fairness, alcohol is one of the major reasons we were able to thrive as a species. In times and places where you couldn’t drink the water, you could drink the beer. [/quote]
i know this, but the negatives surrounding alcohol use far exceed that of weed.
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So if you can’t have your weed you’re going to try to take away my beer is that how it is?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
Maybe ill become an alcoholic since that’s “woven into society” …[/quote]
In all due fairness, alcohol is one of the major reasons we were able to thrive as a species. In times and places where you couldn’t drink the water, you could drink the beer. [/quote]
That’s very true. “Small beer” as it was called was issued to sailors instead of water so the new world and Australia were only discovered because of beer. Beer, mead, cigar, ale - it’s all hearty, nutritious high calorie food. That’s the other thing about alcohol. It’s incredibly calorie dense. To compare such a wonderful food source as beer or wine to noxious smoke is absurd.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
To compare such a wonderful food source as beer or wine to noxious smoke is absurd.[/quote]
what flavor stick do you have?
[quote]Aggv wrote:
You really nailed me down perfect.
I’m just a lazy pothead… who see’s people turning to crime after they run out of the prescription pain meds but are addicted, or drunks losing control of themselves doing god knows what while intoxicated.
Meanwhile im just sitting in my moms basement eating taco bell watching cartoons not harming anyone or anything, and wondering why is there a beer or pfizer commercial every 5 seconds…
Maybe ill become an alcoholic since that’s “woven into society” …[/quote]
Any idea why potheads have the reputation they do? Isn’t it because a lot of them are lazy, dumb, spaced out ne’er-do-wells and smelly longhairs and radicals and lay abouts?
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
You really nailed me down perfect.
I’m just a lazy pothead… who see’s people turning to crime after they run out of the prescription pain meds but are addicted, or drunks losing control of themselves doing god knows what while intoxicated.
Meanwhile im just sitting in my moms basement eating taco bell watching cartoons not harming anyone or anything, and wondering why is there a beer or pfizer commercial every 5 seconds…
Maybe ill become an alcoholic since that’s “woven into society” …[/quote]
Any idea why potheads have the reputation they do? Isn’t it because a lot of them are lazy, dumb, spaced out ne’er-do-wells and smelly longhairs and radicals and lay abouts? [/quote]
You mean like Arnold, Michael Phelps, Richard Branson, Rick Reeves, Carl Sagan?
You have no idea what you are talking about as usual.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
You really nailed me down perfect.
I’m just a lazy pothead… who see’s people turning to crime after they run out of the prescription pain meds but are addicted, or drunks losing control of themselves doing god knows what while intoxicated.
Meanwhile im just sitting in my moms basement eating taco bell watching cartoons not harming anyone or anything, and wondering why is there a beer or pfizer commercial every 5 seconds…
Maybe ill become an alcoholic since that’s “woven into society” …[/quote]
Any idea why potheads have the reputation they do? Isn’t it because a lot of them are lazy, dumb, spaced out ne’er-do-wells and smelly longhairs and radicals and lay abouts? [/quote]
You mean like Arnold, Michael Phelps, Richard Branson, Rick Reeves, Carl Sagan?
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Or even certain Traditionalists/fascists:
"An effective use of these drugs would presuppose a preliminary “catharsis”, that is, the proper neutralization of the individual unconscious substratum that is activated; then the images and senses could refer to a spiritual reality of a higher order, rather than being reduced to a subjective, visionary orgy. One should emphasize that the instances of this higher use of drugs were preceeded not only by periods of preparation and purification of the subject, but also that the process was properly guided through the contemplation of certain symbols.
Sometimes “consecrations” were also prescribed for protective purposes. There are accounts of certain indigenous communities in Central and South America whose members, only under the influence of peyote, hear the sculpted figures on ancient temple ruins “speak”, revealing their meaning in terms of spiritual enlightenment. The importance of the individuals attitude clearly appears from the completely different effects of mescaline on two contemporary writers who have experimented with drugs, Aldous Huxley and R. H. Zaehner. And it is a fact in the case of hallucinogens like opium and in part, haschisch, this active assumption of the experience that is essential from our point of view is generally excluded."
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
In other news facebook told me I can use coconut oil instead of toothpaste and sweet potatoes instead of sun tan lotion.
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That’s different. Coconut oil is much more expensive than toothpaste, therefore it does work. Johnson & Johnson must profit from it somehow
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’d like to see the Cannabis indica and Cannabis sativa genuses completely wiped off the face of the earth out of existence and just keep a strain of hemp for rope making and such that doesn’t contain any significant cannabinoids. It’s not economically feasible for narcotics producers to synthesise Cannabinoids so once we get rid of the plant itself entirely then the problem is pretty much solved. How to develop methods to specifically, genetically target those two plants is the key.[/quote]
If this were possible, why cannabis? Wiping out cocaine and opium cash crops would have a more far reaching effect with no downsides
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Marijuana is far more harmful than most people realize.[/quote]
Here’s the thing man, no weed isn’t good for you. That is why the tales of wonder drug you read about on naturalnews.com and shit are laughable. It doesn’t expand your mind, it doesn’t make you a better person and it doesn’t really do much to further your life. It is still a drug, and a mind altering substance.
But at the end of the day, it is arguably less harmful than shit like casual sex and drinking (in equal proportions.) So, given that, and that people are going to smoke the shit anyway, the issue comes down to freedom.
Relatively speaking, weed is very trivial compared to a lot of the stuff humans do on an day to day that is harmful. So people should be free to smoke it or not. I bet the stress form my working life is worse for me than weed. (But I contribute to society while doing it, lol. When weed is illegal, there is no contribution to society.)
I’ve smoked my fair share in my life, don’t like it, nor want to anymore, and do regret the volume and frequency at times. I was lucky a couple times I didn’t get jammed up and should have been. No it didn’t add to my quality of life, and made me lazier than when I didn’t smoke. My entire life became about getting another bag, lol. Legal or not, I grew out of it. [/quote] Carl Sagan says different about the whole opening up your mind aspect. He experienced exactly that. I believe he published some work based on thoughts he came up with while stoned.
[quote]Cimmerian wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
You really nailed me down perfect.
I’m just a lazy pothead… who see’s people turning to crime after they run out of the prescription pain meds but are addicted, or drunks losing control of themselves doing god knows what while intoxicated.
Meanwhile im just sitting in my moms basement eating taco bell watching cartoons not harming anyone or anything, and wondering why is there a beer or pfizer commercial every 5 seconds…
Maybe ill become an alcoholic since that’s “woven into society” …[/quote]
Any idea why potheads have the reputation they do? Isn’t it because a lot of them are lazy, dumb, spaced out ne’er-do-wells and smelly longhairs and radicals and lay abouts? [/quote]
You mean like Arnold, Michael Phelps, Richard Branson, Rick Reeves, Carl Sagan?
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Or even certain Traditionalists/fascists:
“An effective use of these drugs would presuppose a preliminary “catharsis”, that is, the proper neutralization of the individual unconscious substratum that is activated; then the images and senses could refer to a spiritual reality of a higher order, rather than being reduced to a subjective, visionary orgy. One should emphasize that the instances of this higher use of drugs were preceeded not only by periods of preparation and purification of the subject, but also that the process was properly guided through the contemplation of certain symbols. Sometimes “consecrations” were also prescribed for protective purposes. There are accounts of certain indigenous communities in Central and South America whose members, only under the influence of peyote, hear the sculpted figures on ancient temple ruins “speak”, revealing their meaning in terms of spiritual enlightenment. The importance of the individuals attitude clearly appears from the completely different effects of mescaline on two contemporary writers who have experimented with drugs, Aldous Huxley and R. H. Zaehner. And it is a fact in the case of hallucinogens like opium and in part, haschisch, this active assumption of the experience that is essential from our point of view is generally excluded.”
[quote]twojarslave wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
What I’m saying is that the majority of pot smokers I’ve known were losers - especially the heavy/longterm smokers. And legalisation advocates are always saying the war on drugs is not working. So I suggested a different tactic that doesn’t involve putting you or your dope smoking friends in prison. I suggested a novel new approach of attacking the plant itself.[/quote]
Those ideas were bad. Very bad. Aggressive global herbicide, what could go wrong? My sister-in-law, who spent her teenage years as a hard-partying metal-head, could explain WHY much better than I could. She’s a Sr. Research Associate at a biotech firm where she develops gene therapies.
You know, just another one of those damn stoners, developing treatments for lysosomal storage disorders and eating all of the Cheetos.
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I like how he completely glossed over my explanation of why his idea wasn’t a very good one from a genetics standpoint alone. And I could’ve easily extended it to a 10 page paper on the multitudes of reasons why it’s a dumb idea.
Besides, even if such a half-baked plan actually worked, what next? People who like getting intoxicated a little too much are probably just going to find another drug of choice, and rationalize away about how their new habit isn’t as bad as everyone seems to think it is.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
Carl Sagan says different about the whole opening up your mind aspect. He experienced exactly that. I believe he published some work based on thoughts he came up with while stoned.
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I’ll be sure to base all my expectations on rare examples rather than general trends…
Something tells me he would have had zero problem coming up with that “stuff” sober, drinking, or whatever. Too many people heep too much praise for shit they would have done anyway on getting fucked up. Which is irritating.
If you like burning one now and again, or even everyday… Who gives a shit, do what you like. Just spare us the “it’s so good for you man” hippy bullshit.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
Openheimer came up with the nuke while bathing. Hitler liked vegetables. So what?[/quote]
I actually agree with you. I think you’re wasting your time with this argument though. No one is changing their minds here.
I wake up 5 days a week at 4:30am to lift weights, and I’m getting stronger.
This past september I landed a great new job with a 15% pay increase. In the 4 months I have been there, I have had a noticeable effect on efficiency and part delivery, and I am being well received. I put in a few extra hours (as a salaried employee) to make sure I get a few extra things done everyday I am there.
My Girlfriend (of 3 yrs) and I have a great relationship and will be married someday.
I own my own house that I am constantly making improvements on (currently adding a bathroom).
I have a great relationship with all of my family.
…but when I get home after work I smoke on or two and I become a PARASITE all those other things that SexMachine said…fucking ass-clown. I make my own decisions, not based on laws.
I’ve known seasoned stoners who quit (for years) cause they simply fell out of love of it (“I just don’t like the feeling”), or cause they were looking for a job. And guess what? They were still the same person.
[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’d like to see the Cannabis indica and Cannabis sativa genuses completely wiped off the face of the earth out of existence and just keep a strain of hemp for rope making and such that doesn’t contain any significant cannabinoids. It’s not economically feasible for narcotics producers to synthesise Cannabinoids so once we get rid of the plant itself entirely then the problem is pretty much solved. How to develop methods to specifically, genetically target those two plants is the key.[/quote]
If this were possible, why cannabis? Wiping out cocaine and opium cash crops would have a more far reaching effect with no downsides
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Doesn’t have to be either/or.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
I wake up 5 days a week at 4:30am to lift weights, and I’m getting stronger.
This past september I landed a great new job with a 15% pay increase. In the 4 months I have been there, I have had a noticeable effect on efficiency and part delivery, and I am being well received. I put in a few extra hours (as a salaried employee) to make sure I get a few extra things done everyday I am there.
My Girlfriend (of 3 yrs) and I have a great relationship and will be married someday.
I own my own house that I am constantly making improvements on (currently adding a bathroom).
I have a great relationship with all of my family.
…but when I get home after work I smoke on or two and I become a PARASITE all those other things that SexMachine said…fucking ass-clown. I make my own decisions, not based on laws.
I’ve known seasoned stoners who quit (for years) cause they simply fell out of love of it (“I just don’t like the feeling”), or cause they were looking for a job. And guess what? They were still the same person.[/quote]
Hold your horses there fella. I didn’t call you a parasite or anything else. I just said, pot smokers have a reputation for lack of motivation and cognitive/memory problems and a lot of ne’er-do-wells are pot smokers. I’m just describing the scene in general not making any personal attacks on any individual person.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’d like to see the Cannabis indica and Cannabis sativa genuses completely wiped off the face of the earth out of existence and just keep a strain of hemp for rope making and such that doesn’t contain any significant cannabinoids. It’s not economically feasible for narcotics producers to synthesise Cannabinoids so once we get rid of the plant itself entirely then the problem is pretty much solved. How to develop methods to specifically, genetically target those two plants is the key.[/quote]
If this were possible, why cannabis? Wiping out cocaine and opium cash crops would have a more far reaching effect with no downsides
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Doesn’t have to be either/or.[/quote]
Depending on how many resources would have to be allocated, it might be either/or. By the time it became feasible, and depending how legalization in the states goes, cannabis could have massive corporate backing. I would envision Phillip Morris getting their hands in it if it’s legalized everywhere