Hemp and Marijuana Are the Answer

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Potheads are outstanding citizens? Come on give me a break! Potheads have a reputation for a reason.[/quote]
Put that way, no, potheads are not outstanding citizens.

But there are outstanding citizens that have a past or present that involved smoking pot recreationally.

Not everyone who smokes is a pothead; not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic.[/quote]

Yes I agree. My beef is with losers who smoke pot every day and have a constantly idiotic look on their face. The type who say “dude” a lot and are always getting confused by simple things(totally spun out man). They’re also very vocal legalisation proponents and they always claim pot is harmless and a miracle drug. I know a lot of people might’ve smoked for a while when they were in high school or university but i think most sensible people give it away and don’t go through their adult life lunging cones and vaping hash oil and so on.[/quote]

If you are dealing with chronic pain you should try it… Dude.

I’ll take the idiotic look on my face over the retarded look of your liver after taking oral opiates for prolonged periods.

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My girlfriends brother smokes pot and lives in CO and he’s said that since they’ve opened up the dispensaries you can’t find a drug dealer for weed anywhere. Turns out the stoners were right about that one.

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The only question that pot answers for me is “how do I become lazy and useless for an entire day?”

I don’t have a problem with people smoking pot, even recreationally, it’s just not for me. I have witnessed much more destruction at the hands of alcohol than I have at the hands of pot. In fact, I haven’t really witnessed any destruction from pot (aside from the occasional brain cell or bag of chips).

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[quote]twojarslave wrote:
Where are me and my stoner friends now? Well, we’re doing things like making lots of money in many different competitive fields. I am a Sr. Business Analyst. My most notorious cohort is an associate professor at Yale. My other best friend from that school is working in international finance. Others are practicing law. Practicing medicine. Doing international humanitarian work. Being real estate moguls. We’re basically the people you want in any society.

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Let’s be honest here… For each example of someone who got stoned and ended up still having a great life there is probably a person or two who ended up a schlub.

I mean, what I’m saying is, I doubt getting stoned in your late teens early 20s during high school and college is going to ruin any lives. We aren’t talking about smack here. Just weed, lol.

(I’m trying to agree with you here FYI)

Weed isn’t going to determine someone’s outcome in life. Their motivation will. However, I don’t see too many people in my day-to-day business life that are waking and baking into their 50’s who are making estimated payments the size of the guys who aren’t smoking weed… But the dudes waking up and brushing their teeth with Jack aren’t really killing it either.

In the end, weed is really fucking trivial, and as was said, isn’t some holy grail gift from god that will change the landscape of the country. It’s something fun some people enjoy, that isn’t any worse than booze or casual sex, and should be legal…

If people get fucked up life because of weed, it is on them.

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[quote]CLUNK wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Has everyone seen the sniffer dogs the police use to effectively and efficiently weed out the junkies who have the smell of drugs on them? A really large scale drug dog unit for every station across the country would be good. I like the idea of training dogs to sniff out the malcontents and miscreants. They do it so effectively too.

I’ve seen trot right up to some longhair and sit beside him waiting for his handler who’s close behind holding the lead and maybe with a reward. Just quietly, without any fuss singles out the pothead; the scourge; the dregs. But that’s when you need a hard-nosed cop; the Broderick Crawford type, to come in with the phone books and the rubber hose. Clean up the streets.[/quote]

Way to go! Generalize an entire portion of the population as losers!

Bring in the Brownshirts, right?

Dumb ass.
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I speaking in a generalised manner about a specific group of people yes. That makes me a Nazi? Everyone makes generalisations about groups all the time. It’s a normal way of processing information about vast numbers of people you don’t know. The only way you can talk about them meaningfully is in a generalised way because it’s not possible to do otherwise.

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[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Potheads are outstanding citizens? Come on give me a break! Potheads have a reputation for a reason.[/quote]
Put that way, no, potheads are not outstanding citizens.

But there are outstanding citizens that have a past or present that involved smoking pot recreationally.

Not everyone who smokes is a pothead; not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic.[/quote]

Yes I agree. My beef is with losers who smoke pot every day and have a constantly idiotic look on their face. The type who say “dude” a lot and are always getting confused by simple things(totally spun out man). They’re also very vocal legalisation proponents and they always claim pot is harmless and a miracle drug. I know a lot of people might’ve smoked for a while when they were in high school or university but i think most sensible people give it away and don’t go through their adult life lunging cones and vaping hash oil and so on.[/quote]

If you are dealing with chronic pain you should try it… Dude.

I’ll take the idiotic look on my face over the retarded look of your liver after taking oral opiates for prolonged periods.
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Opiates don’t harm your liver. In fact, opiates aren’t toxic at all to organs. They just cause a little constipation which can be dealt with by increasing fibre or laxatives if necessary. And they’re also highly addictive. But no, they don’t harm your liver. And further, I’m completely sceptical about marijuana as a pain killer for chronic pain. The reason they use morphine strength addictive opiates like oxycodone even though they’re so addictive is because nothing else works. If marijuana was really as good as they say then they’d start using it in emergency and post operative pain relief and so on. But they don’t. Because when you’ve just snapped both your legs or something you don’t really want marijuana. You want to be anaesthetised(put to sleep) ideally or if you have to stay conscious you want powerful pain killers. Chronic pain is a severe, on going pain that is similar to the pain you experience in a trauma or post operative setting. Marijuana is the last thing I’d want in pain to be honest. It has a (reportedly mostly) mild hallucinogenic effect. That could make the pain more nightmarish for some people who are sensitive to hallucinogenic drugs. The type who get “paranoid” from pot might find it actually makes their pain worse.

Marijuana appears to effect different people in different ways which is part of the reason it’s dangerous. I genuinely believe(and I’ve observed it), that a small percentage of people actually go completely insane from marijuana use and develop full blown schizophrenia or mood disorders like bipolar. This is one of the reasons I’m particularly against laissez faire marijuana decriminalisation and legalisation legislation.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
it’s dangerous. [/quote]

So alcohol and prescription pills should also be outlawed then? They’re far more dangerous than weed.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:
Where are me and my stoner friends now? Well, we’re doing things like making lots of money in many different competitive fields. I am a Sr. Business Analyst. My most notorious cohort is an associate professor at Yale. My other best friend from that school is working in international finance. Others are practicing law. Practicing medicine. Doing international humanitarian work. Being real estate moguls. We’re basically the people you want in any society.

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Let’s be honest here… For each example of someone who got stoned and ended up still having a great life there is probably a person or two who ended up a schlub.

I mean, what I’m saying is, I doubt getting stoned in your late teens early 20s during high school and college is going to ruin any lives. We aren’t talking about smack here. Just weed, lol.

(I’m trying to agree with you here FYI)

Weed isn’t going to determine someone’s outcome in life. Their motivation will. However, I don’t see too many people in my day-to-day business life that are waking and baking into their 50’s who are making estimated payments the size of the guys who aren’t smoking weed… But the dudes waking up and brushing their teeth with Jack aren’t really killing it either.

In the end, weed is really fucking trivial, and as was said, isn’t some holy grail gift from god that will change the landscape of the country. It’s something fun some people enjoy, that isn’t any worse than booze or casual sex, and should be legal…

If people get fucked up life because of weed, it is on them. [/quote]

I would generally agree, but I’d also point out that successful people who do smoke up will likely be smart enough to know that broadcasting this information to people who are not close friends (such as their accountants) will confer no benefit and possibly present many risks.

Also keep in mind that my anecdote was in reply to SexMachine’s spirited impersonation of Pink’s fascist dictator hallucination from The Wall.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
it’s dangerous. [/quote]

So alcohol and prescription pills should also be outlawed then? They’re far more dangerous than weed. [/quote]

Opiates are necessarily for severe pain relief. They have a legitimate medical purpose. Alcohol has been woven into the fabric of our society for thousands of years. However some indigenous people can’t handle it at all and it is actually regulated and restricted in my country in some aboriginal communities. So no. I don’t see any reason to further liberalise marijuana laws nor to normalise and increase the use of marijuana.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
it’s dangerous. [/quote]

So alcohol and prescription pills should also be outlawed then? They’re far more dangerous than weed. [/quote]

Opiates are necessarily for severe pain relief. They have a legitimate medical purpose. Alcohol has been woven into the fabric of our society for thousands of years. However some indigenous people can’t handle it at all and it is actually regulated and restricted in my country in some aboriginal communities. So no. I don’t see any reason to further liberalise marijuana laws nor to normalise and increase the use of marijuana.[/quote]

I cant tell if you have a political agenda, or you’re choking on the stick?

if alcohol is legal, and opiate prescription pills are legal, both are highly addiction and lethal. Then there is no reason weed should not also be legal.

To suggest that weed is in anyway more harmful than alcohol or opiates is fucking insane, and retarded.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
it’s dangerous. [/quote]

So alcohol and prescription pills should also be outlawed then? They’re far more dangerous than weed. [/quote]

Opiates are necessarily for severe pain relief. They have a legitimate medical purpose. Alcohol has been woven into the fabric of our society for thousands of years. However some indigenous people can’t handle it at all and it is actually regulated and restricted in my country in some aboriginal communities. So no. I don’t see any reason to further liberalise marijuana laws nor to normalise and increase the use of marijuana.[/quote]

I cant tell if you have a political agenda, or you’re choking on the stick?

if alcohol is legal, and opiate prescription pills are legal, both are highly addiction and lethal. Then there is no reason weed should not also be legal.

To suggest that weed is in anyway more harmful than alcohol or opiates is fucking insane, and retarded.
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I just explained that opiates are necessary and marijuana is not. Alcohol is already [b]intricately woven into the fabric of society and our culture and is handled by most(Europeans) relatively well. Besides, your logic is batshit. If you already have alcohol widespread and harmful why would you want to make things worse and legalise another harmful drug?

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[quote]twojarslave wrote:
I’d also point out that successful people who do smoke up will likely be smart enough to know that broadcasting this information to people who are not close friends (such as their accountants) will confer no benefit and possibly present many risks.[/quote]

You’d be surprised, lol. People tell me things… I never needed to know.

But, yes you do have a point. Even though I’m betting a mortgage payment the conference call I had last Friday had maybe one or two stoners on it, and they were dragging down the net worth that was still in the 9+ figure range.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
it’s dangerous. [/quote]

So alcohol and prescription pills should also be outlawed then? They’re far more dangerous than weed. [/quote]

Opiates are necessarily for severe pain relief. They have a legitimate medical purpose. Alcohol has been woven into the fabric of our society for thousands of years. However some indigenous people can’t handle it at all and it is actually regulated and restricted in my country in some aboriginal communities. So no. I don’t see any reason to further liberalise marijuana laws nor to normalise and increase the use of marijuana.[/quote]

I cant tell if you have a political agenda, or you’re choking on the stick?

if alcohol is legal, and opiate prescription pills are legal, both are highly addiction and lethal. Then there is no reason weed should not also be legal.

To suggest that weed is in anyway more harmful than alcohol or opiates is fucking insane, and retarded.
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I just explained that opiates are necessary and marijuana is not. Alcohol is already [b]intricately woven into the fabric of society and our culture and is handled by most(Europeans) relatively well. Besides, your logic is batshit. If you already have alcohol widespread and harmful why would you want to make things worse and legalise another harmful drug?[/quote]

how does the stick in your ass taste?

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[quote]Aggv wrote:

I cant tell if you have a political agenda, or you’re choking on the stick?

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I think maybe you do. The people who are always passionate and heated in these debates about marijuana are always the ones who smoke it and want it legalised. They always get personal and attack you if you don’t agree with them that we must legalise their druggie wuggies. They get angry when you reveal the truth about their lazy, unproductive, dysfunctional and sometimes parasitic lifestyles. This is another recurring theme with reefer addicts. Marijuana is far more harmful than most people realise.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:

how does the stick in your ass taste?
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What did I tell you? You wrote this while I was typing my last comment. Yes, they always get angry and resort to personal attack because you won’t let them have their druggie wuggies. Pathetic really. Like a little baby throwing a tantrum when they can’t have the lolly pop.

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You really nailed me down perfect.

I’m just a lazy pothead… who see’s people turning to crime after they run out of the prescription pain meds but are addicted, or drunks losing control of themselves doing god knows what while intoxicated.

Meanwhile im just sitting in my moms basement eating taco bell watching cartoons not harming anyone or anything, and wondering why is there a beer or pfizer commercial every 5 seconds…

Maybe ill become an alcoholic since that’s “woven into society” …

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Marijuana is far more harmful than most people realize.[/quote]

Here’s the thing man, no weed isn’t good for you. That is why the tales of wonder drug you read about on naturalnews.com and shit are laughable. It doesn’t expand your mind, it doesn’t make you a better person and it doesn’t really do much to further your life. It is still a drug, and a mind altering substance.

But at the end of the day, it is arguably less harmful than shit like casual sex and drinking (in equal proportions.) So, given that, and that people are going to smoke the shit anyway, the issue comes down to freedom.

Relatively speaking, weed is very trivial compared to a lot of the stuff humans do on an day to day that is harmful. So people should be free to smoke it or not. I bet the stress form my working life is worse for me than weed. (But I contribute to society while doing it, lol. When weed is illegal, there is no contribution to society.)

I’ve smoked my fair share in my life, don’t like it, nor want to anymore, and do regret the volume and frequency at times. I was lucky a couple times I didn’t get jammed up and should have been. No it didn’t add to my quality of life, and made me lazier than when I didn’t smoke. My entire life became about getting another bag, lol. Legal or not, I grew out of it.