Helping People in the Gym...

[quote]sen say wrote:
During a typical workout, I will:

  1. Stomp around the gym staring at the weight I’m getting ready to lift and then BAM attack the weight for my set and then stomp around until the next set.

  2. Sometimes I will clap for myself before and after each set.

  3. I will call the weight a “bitch, fucking bitch, pussy bitch” before lifting it (not real loud, but I could be overheard).

  4. I get real close to throwing up a lot and belch quite a lot.

  5. I will say ‘big back big back’ to myself as I am approaching the weight if I’m rowing, or ‘big legs big legs’ if I’m squatting, etc., also, ‘c’mon…c’mon…fucking punk’

  6. I will collapse on the floor if there’s no place to sit near where I’m working my legs.

Basically, I look like a complete maniac, idiot, douche, so anyone that would take advice from me would be crazier than the lady Force of One is dealing with.[/quote]

lol Your probably an advanced lifter, though mang. Anybody that knows anything about bodybuilding/powr lifting/strength sports etc will A) understand your behavior and B) know that they would be lucky as hell to get advice from someone that has actually gotten somewhere.
Or at least they should.

[quote]im kenny wrote:
hell no. people should learn things themselves. [/quote]

Tell me how that works out when you take Calculus, kiddo.

[quote]polo77j wrote:
im kenny wrote:
hell no. people should learn things themselves.

Tell me how that works out when you take Calculus, kiddo.[/quote]

I’d actually like to see the clowns that put their legs up in the air when they’re benching learn not to do this themselves. I told one guy once not to do this and explained why and he told me (everyone say it with me) he was trying to isolate his pecs. I was praying he’d fall off the bench…didn’t think he’d get hurt much with only 95 lbs on the bar…this was the last time I offered unsolicited advice.

I figure the PTs in the gym are paid to give advice. If I go over and point out a rounded back on a RDL then I am pointing out that they PTs don’t know shit.

If something comes up in conversation, I give my advice. When the PTs offer me advice I listen smile and normally carry on doing what I was doing.

Other than that my main advice to people is to stop walking right behind me when I am doing cleans.

[quote]force of one wrote:

So anyway I guess all that isn’t as fun to read as hearing about a confrontation. Frankly I am a little surprised that anyone is interested, but since you are I will keep you guys posted. :slight_smile:
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Thank fucking god.

I mean I understand the situation blows for you, but if you weren’t good at telling the story, we wouldn’t care.

So either make up a better ending, or be worse at telling stories…

I’ll be the millionth person to say no advice unless you ask me. I would love to be at a gym where people help each other out. I see people do shit with terrible form or use the machines completely wrong every time I am there. But I hold my tongue. I talk to a few women that workout there and come in the weight room though. I know them just from the gym and I know one of them doesnt mind advice.

I have a gym buddy though that is pretty big and will provide advice to anyone he sees. I am always thinking there’s going to be a confrontation. Not yet really.

On the flip side I have gotten advice from people unsolicited and I dont mind. None of it has been BS but if it was I would just ignore it. But the advice has been beneficial so far and I appreciate it.

force of one, you got any updates about your story? i really want to know what’s the deal with your crazy lady…

[quote]gbock wrote:
force of one, you got any updates about your story? i really want to know what’s the deal with your crazy lady…[/quote]

we all do gbock

I personally love the stories in this thread.

As for giving advice, I no longer go to the gym, just weightlifting and there almost everyone wants to get better and listen to it so I give it freely.

When I went to the gym I only gave advice a few times. Not that I knew lots, but a few months at tnation and you’ll know more than most trainers at gyms know nowadays. I remember one of them told me once that I was gonna break myself for overhead squatting. As if overhead squatting means getting hit by a bulldozer going 30mph.

Honestly I’m glad I no longer go to a gym. If you cant find a hardcore gym to go to, then you’ll probably hate the place you are going to train at.

Yes, I’m really interested in finding out what’s going on here. Force of one, how did she react when she saw you there with your wife?

I personally keep to myself most of the time and focus on my workout. I’ve helped one old woman strip 45 lp plates one time between sets and that’s about it.

I did get some great deadlifting tips (unsolicited) from a guy a little over a year ago when I was just starting to deadlift. I pretty much listened and asked questions since he obviously looked like he knew what he was doing. He was probably 5’5 and built like a brick. Worked his way up to 10 plates and made it look easy.

Its a tough one… I’ve done more of my fair share of this and it almost always ends one of two ways.

Scenario #1- The individual really does want to improve and when you realize how little they know, you also realize its going to take you 30 mins talking to them every day for the next three weeks to get anywhere. You may end up personally invested in them, and after a week or two of spending alot of time talking to this person you see them come in and start doing some stupid shit you specifically told them not to. Very aggravating to say the least.

Scenario #2- The individual doesnt care what you have to say and though they may listen a bit, what they think of your advice is obvious when they return to doing what you specifically told them not to with even more gusto.

Cant win most times IMO.

[quote]slippery_banana wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
slippery_banana wrote:
I helped this high school kid who was doing fucking up his back. He was doing deadlifts, and rounding his back really bad. I gave him a compliment first (at least he was doing deadlifts) and then said to try to keep your back straight.

This is the only time I’ve ever given the dreaded “unsolicited advice”. All three times I made sure I was bigger than the kid I talked to, in the hopes that he didn’t think I was just being a douche, but trying to help him.

It is unfortunate that it turned out that way. I can count on one hand, the number of times that giving advice backfired on me. One time I remember, a group of young guys asked me to help them with their squat, one of them had a smart mouth and was your typical know it all teen. He was asking me questions about training and exercise form, then blew me off when I tried to give him the answers.
I can confidently say that I have given lots of advice, but I work at a gym. It never lead to a confrontation , and at most a snide remark, never about me though. I don’t go out of my way to do it, I will often ask a question that leads to something else, and before you know it, I’m showing the person a different exercise. I am usually one of the bigger guys in almost any gym I go to, so it has to be something with the other persons faith in what you are saying. At this point however, I try to avoid it.

As far as scaring women, I don’t see how you guys do that. I have no problem at all talking to women about training, Though once again, I try not to go out of my way to give out advice.

[quote]debraD wrote:
In other words, I don’t know. At the very least, make sure you know what you’re talking about before giving advice.
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I imagine this is probably what pisses a lot of people off when people give advice. And keep in mind, it isn’t always the helper’s fault for giving bad advice, since the receiver of help could just think the good advice was bad and get pissed.

As for girls, I suppose of you look like you lift to them (mind you, this doesn’t mean the same as here, you’ll probably have to be lean enough with the size), or if you’re attractive they won’t find it creepy.

[quote]fattofigure wrote:
I think that if you do it tactfully it would be okay, like if you go up to her and say something like “hi there, (shake hands maybe?) I’m ______________, I was just watching your form as you were working out. Would you mind if I gave you a few suggestions to help you get more out of your workout?”[/quote]

IDK, that sounds it’d make people more uncomfortable. I would imagine something sounding more spontaneous would be less likely to be interpreted as a come on. I mean with most girls.

Personally, I’m not in the position to offer advice, but I wouldn’t be angry about receiving advice, bad or good. As long as it’s with good intention, I’ll just take the bad advice and weasel my way out of following the advice if I have to.

[quote]polo77j wrote:
im kenny wrote:
hell no. people should learn things themselves.

Tell me how that works out when you take Calculus, kiddo.[/quote]

I prefer learning calculus myself. Going to class is just motivation to keep up.

When I first starting lifting I did squats how I naturally thought they ought to be done. Thankfully an instructor in the gym corrected me and saved my knees. I’m fucken glad some people give unsolicited advice in the gym.

So, I said to myself last night as I entered the gym, “Self, I’m going to have an awesome session today. It’s going to be uninterrupted by drivel and none-sense. It’s going to be great!”

Boy, was myself wrong.

There I was, doing floor press. Isn’t that how all the stories start? Anyways, this guy, who apparently doesn’t realize what earbuds are, or why there’s a cord going into my pocket that’s attached to some sort of electronic gizmo, says to me, “I’ve never seen anyone do it like that before.”

I smile and nod, take out my gadget and “change the song” ie make it known that I don’t want to talk as I’m trying to work out. Well, this guy, must’ve said to himself, “Self, this guy doing those things on the floor must be lonely and wants to chit chat about nothing in particular.” I say that he said that because that’s exactly what he did. He’s starts talking to me about the gyms in Boston he’s worked out at.

The crazy part was I was doing a set while he’s talking to me. With my earbuds in. He’s standing there. Hands in his pockets, smile on his face, reminiscing about days past, while I’m doing my sets of floor press. Fucking crazy.

So, I say to myself, “Self, this guy must be lonely and wants to chit chat about nothing in particular.” And boy was I right. I finished my sets of floor press and proceed to LEAVE THE AREA cordially. I say, “Nice talking to ya.” and leave.

Apparently, this guys said to himself, “Self, it’s obvious to me that I should follow him to wherever he’s going to talk to him more about me working construction.” Because that’s what he did.

I went ACROSS THE GYM to the cable machines to do a few sets of triceps, all the while listening to Wolfmother, with my ear buds in, yet there he was, hands in pockets, smile on face, talking to someone who’s not listening, obviously not interested, about construction.

Finally, I said to myself, “Self, I have to tell this guy to go away. He’s kind of annoying me.” So I said to the guy, “What’s your name?”

He says in an accent of someone who immigrated here long enough ago to speak English well, yet not long enough not to have an accent from whatever European country he’s from, “Tony.”

“Hi Tony, I’m Jared. Tony, I’m going to finish my workout now, I’ll talk to you later.”

Now, you’d think that was sufficient for him to go about his business and leave me the hell alone. Nope. He must’ve said to himself, “Self, I think I’m going to stick around a little longer and keep my hands warm and make sure he’s ok and safe before I mosey on to bug somebody else.” Because that’s what he did. He stood there, hands in pockets, same dumb smile on his face, through two sets. Not speaking. And finally said, “Nice talking to you, Jared” and went away.

I saw him, immediately after I was done with my set, talking to someone else on a hammer strength bench station (so the guy was cornered) with their ear buds in and a rather annoyed look on their face. I just kept my gaze on the dumbbell rack and kept my distance as I past.

Fucking Jabronies

so we have talked about helping form and such… what about correcting gym etiquette?

I workout in a commercial gym in small town MN, but the power rack is always open, and I never have to wait to DL or squat. Many annoying things happen here: ppl lifting 1 inch away and in the middle of the DB rack, the stretching lady using the power rack for her resistance band, doing yoga moves for 15-20min right in between the cable machines, erratic lady using every machine at once and placing towels and bottles on them to save spots, not putting db’s back, typical gym bs etc…

Do any of you correct gym etiquette? I like to think I could help clean up the madness here but it seems a bit more volatile than form correction.

[quote]polo77j wrote:
Fucking Jabronies[/quote]

Whoah whoah whoah!
You say this too?!?!

One of my buddies just came out with that word one day while talking about some guy he hated and we all thought he came up with it off the top of his head.

[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
polo77j wrote:
Fucking Jabronies

Whoah whoah whoah!
You say this too?!?!

One of my buddies just came out with that word one day while talking about some guy he hated and we all thought he came up with it off the top of his head.[/quote]

Anyone who has ever watched WWE when The Rock was in his prime heard it every time he did one of his peices. It is a funny word, the way it flows from the lips.

V

[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
Scenario #1- The individual really does want to improve and when you realize how little they know, you also realize its going to take you 30 mins talking to them every day for the next three weeks to get anywhere. You may end up personally invested in them, and after a week or two of spending alot of time talking to this person you see them come in and start doing some stupid shit you specifically told them not to. Very aggravating to say the least.

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I’ve had this happen 3 times. Every time went down pretty much the same way. Dude asks me some general questions about what I’m doing. They ask if they can work-in one day and then if they could workout with me.

The first time I was like ‘Awesome…someone to spot me and encourage me to lift’…within 2 weeks it was obvious it wasn’t going to work as the guy would ‘tsk tsk’ me for ‘using too much weight’.

Second time the guy turned out to be okay and we lifted together for about 6 weeks. Then one day he takes me aside and explains he’s getting ‘too big’ and is going back to the treadmill. he was 6’1", 165 soaking wet.

Third time I told the dood upfront, ‘listen, I like to work out my way and if you want to do things my way, then you can lift with me’. I knew the guy from work and he seemed cool and like he would be intense. First workout went fine as rest periods were 60 seconds, second one was fine as rest periods were 90 seconds and then the third one we’re resting for 2 minutes in between sets…I’m sucking wind in between sets and expecting to throw up or have a heart attack…I can’t find my ‘buddy’ and then I notice he’s browsing the magazine rack…then he’s reading a M&F magazine…I’m like…dude…what are you doing? He’s like ‘maybe we should do this arm workout Arnold did’…I’m like…dood…we’re through.

Never again.