Help Setting Goals

All,

Okay, I have been lifting again for not quite a year after a five year leave of absense. I have really only been following any program for about six months and only been persuing powerlifting for maybe four months. It has been going incredibly well, mostly because of how little training I have been doing over the last few years.

The catch, I keep reading that if you lift without goals you are wasting your time. So I need help learning how to set goals for powerlifting. What is a reasonable gain to expect in given period? Is it considered uncool/unsuccessful to set weight goals for yourself (my own bodyweight)?

More specifically, I am 25 years old. My training history is above. My bench is around 300lbs, squat around 350lbs, my dead is about 250lbs. I am 5’8" and 255lbs. I work a fulltime job that requires a lot of walking.

What kinds of goals are reasonable. I’m thinking I could nail 350 on my bench by September, and maybe 400-425 in my squat, and 325-350 dead. At the same time I would like to control my weight, I would rather look more like some of our T-Nation writers (Shugart and Robertson) than some of the obese guys I see on the cover of PowerliftingUSA. I realize this may keep me from being the best powerlifter. I guess I figure I have lifetime ahead of me and powerlifting probably won’t pay my bills. Does this mean I should look into some other kind of strength sport?

I’m begging for help here. I can’t find any powerlifters around here to work with. I would like to hear from some experience strength athletes. Thanks

Starkmann

There’s no real way to help you set your own goals. It’s all about you during goal setting. Whatever you want, just try to make it reasonable. I always try to add at least forty pounds to all my lifts over the summer (bench, squat, ect.). As for bodyweight, you just have to tell yourself what you want, when you want it by. And make your actions day to day all reflect your goal. Hope that makes sense…

Best of luck,
-CJ

Sound like good goals to me. How long did it take you to get from 250 to 300 on bench? 50 pounds in 3 months is probably doable, especially considering how new you still are to lifting, but it’s gonna be tough.

Nobody said you have to be a hardcore powerlifter to do powerlifting exercises. They are a core part of my workout too, but I consider myself more of the general athlete type.

Dude just set them and follow through. I know that makes no sense, but just do it. My goal is a 1731 total by April of next year. 1731 is elite for 198’s. I have 1731 on poster board on my ceiling above my bed, and on my door. At night it is the last thing I see, and every morning when I wake up it is the first thing I see. I need to tape it to my computer, so instead of logging on I can go drag the sled.

Joe

[quote]starkmann wrote:

More specifically, I am 25 years old. My training history is above. My bench is around 300lbs, squat around 350lbs, my dead is about 250lbs. I am 5’8" and 255lbs. I work a fulltime job that requires a lot of walking.

What kinds of goals are reasonable. I’m thinking I could nail 350 on my bench by September, and maybe 400-425 in my squat, and 325-350 dead. Starkmann[/quote]

If I were lifting those numbers, I’d prioritize the deadlift. That’s pretty weak considering your bench, squat, and bodyweight (unless that was a mistake up there?). Or are you working around an injury?

Anyway, many of the guys you are looking at on PLUSA aren’t necessarily obese. There’s a boatload of muscle under that layer of fat. Some are, certainly, but many “push out” into their belts for more pressure and that rounded (relatively solid) belly provides a bounce out of the hole.

Matthew

[quote]Matthew9v9 wrote:

If I were lifting those numbers, I’d prioritize the deadlift. That’s pretty weak considering your bench, squat, and bodyweight (unless that was a mistake up there?). Or are you working around an injury?

Anyway, many of the guys you are looking at on PLUSA aren’t necessarily obese. There’s a boatload of muscle under that layer of fat. Some are, certainly, but many “push out” into their belts for more pressure and that rounded (relatively solid) belly provides a bounce out of the hole.

Matthew
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I agree with matthew. I think you should prioritize the deadlift until it is at least 50 pounds more than the bench press.

[quote]Orbitalboner wrote:

I agree with matthew. I think you should prioritize the deadlift until it is at least 50 pounds more than the bench press. [/quote]

I agree with you both. I realize my dead is super sad and that my squat is lagging behind where it should be. My exscuse for the dead is that I have only been doing it for a couple months. At this point I have just finally gotten comfortable with the lift. I am hoping to get it moving up the charts soon. I’m trying to figure out how to go about it, so any thoughts there would be helpful. At this poin I’m just planning on doing it more often, but the more I read about it the more I hear that a lot of people never even do them unless they are in competition.

To answer graphicsman’s question from earlier. It took me about two months to go from 250 to 300. I still think this had a lot mroe to do with actually trying to do it. I know that sounds weird but I was benching 185 for 3X10 just like about eveyone else I knew for probably six months before I thought I should try lifting heavy. By reading on T-Nation I was able to change my technique and set/reps scheme and see tryly immediate results.

Question for Joe bob:
I’ve been reading about how the westside guys do sled dragging and been thinking it sounds like a good thing to do. Since you have been doing it, what do you think of it.

Thanks for everyones input.

Starkmann

[quote]starkmann wrote:

Question for Joe bob:
I’ve been reading about how the westside guys do sled dragging and been thinking it sounds like a good thing to do. Since you have been doing it, what do you think of it.

Thanks for everyones input.

Starkmann[/quote]

I love it. There is endless possibilities when it comes to the sled. Check the articles at EliteFTS and here is a link to an article on this site: http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=body_146gpp

I will typically take forward trips of about 200 feet and add weight until I can’t take any more. I walk forward dynamically exploding with each step. I feel it really works my posterior chain and helps with my work capacity. I also pull forward for time. It is definitely a lot more fun than traditional cardio. I also do various upper body movements for some extra work and active recovery. I bought my sled from EliteFTS, but you could get one made for cheaper.

Joe

What were your lifts before your time off? That will be a better indicator of what you could be lifting in september.

[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
What were your lifts before your time off? That will be a better indicator of what you could be lifting in september.[/quote]

you mean five years ago?
I’m not really sure for couple reasons. First I didn’t keep a log, second I wasn’t doing an max days anyway. A rough estimate would be that I could have probably benched 250 or 275 back then. I had neglected my legs for the last two years of that period so I wasn’t squating at all. I probably could have squatted 200 or 250. At that time I didn’t even know what a deadlift looked like so I can’t tell you what that would have been. I was spending a lot of time doing curls and calf raise and that sort of thing. My program was so different back then that I’m not sure comparison is reasonable.

I realize that’s not much of an answer but I’m afraid it’s the best I’ve got.

I do remember that when i left high school, about seven years ago, 245 was the biggest bench any of us ever heard of, and it wasn’t mine.

Starkmann

GOAL SETTING AND RECORD KEEPING

By Keith Wassung

One of the most important, yet often overlooked components to a productive weight training program is the use of regular goal setting and record keeping. In 1960, a comprehensive study was performed on the graduating class of Yale University. Graduates were asked if they had any written goals for their future career. Out of the entire class, only 3% of the students stated that had specific, written career goals. Twenty-five years later, the entire class was again interviewed and it was discovered that the same 3% who had written goals had annual incomes that were greater than the other 97% of the students combined. Goal setting in all areas of life is extremely effective.

Others often ask me for advice in the gym regarding workout plans, techniques, etc. My standard response is to ask them ?What exactly are you trying to accomplish in here?? It is rare to get a clear answer, with the normal response being something along the lines of ?I just want to get bigger, etc?. Remember that whatever can be measured can be improved, so it is important to convey a clear, concise vision of what it is you wish to achieve. Once this is done, it is much easier to obtain a clear vision of what you are trying to accomplish in the gym. Goals should be written in precise language and should be stated as if they have already been achieved, i.e., "?I can full squat 350lbs for 20 reps? or ? I weigh a solid 190lbs?

Goals need to be grouped into different time frames, such as long range (2-5 years) medium range (1 year) short range (monthly) and micro-range (daily workouts)

When writing your goals, be realistic, but don?t sell yourself short either. You can also obtain feedback and advice from a coach or a mentor. Types of goals can include weight gains or weight losses, strength and repetition numbers, measurements, fitness goals, and contest goals if you compete. You can also include a benevolent goal or two such as doing an exhibition at a local high school or boys club. You do not have to be a national or world class athlete to do this and you will be surprised at how well you will received and in addition its also a nice boost for your own training

Start with the long range goals and then work your way backwards, breaking down each goal into smaller and smaller time frames. Lets say that you can currently do a standing military press of 175lbs for 8 reps and your one year goal is to do 200lbs for 8 reps. When you break this down into monthly goals, it is surprising how easy it is to achieve this over a years time. (This is another reason for the use of fractional plates to continue to achieve consistent, measurable progress.) You will be pleasantly surprised and how productive this makes your training.

Write your goals on several 3x5 index cards and place one on your bathroom mirror or refrigerator and one in your wallet, where you can see them several times a day. I have found it helpful to read them out loud at least twice a day. This exercise consistently strengthens the mental vision that is so important. I firmly believe that your future progress is largely determined by what your mind is willing to envision and believe. This is not only true for weight training, but in all areas of life. Once your goals are written, then its onto the next step of tracking your progress by keeping accurate records of your training sessions.

The best way to keep records is to have some type of training log or journal. Find a large, sturdy 3-ring binder, preferably one that has plastic cover/inserts. The plastic will resist moisture (and maybe vomit, if you are squatting hard) and also you can personalize the binder by inserting pictures, etc into the plastic. My training journal has had the same picture on the cover for over 25 years now- an old black and white photo of Louis Martin at the top pull of a huge clean, taken at the 1968 Olympics I believe. Have a section in the binder for written goals, one for records of your daily workouts and one for useful training articles and information. You can also take progress photographs if you like.

I also had a section for competitions and in the back kept business cards of different gyms that I trained at over the years, so it has also become sort of scrapbook as well.

You can use standard notebook paper for your workouts, or some type of computer generated form. I have been using a two-workout per page form recently and would be happy to e-mail anyone a copy, which can be modified for your own use. For each workout, I write the date, time, place and some pre-workout notes. I always prepare a rough outline of each workout sketched out in advance so I know exactly what I want to achieve on any particular day. I always bring my journal to the gym with me, though I may use a small notebook to record the sets and reps between sets and later transfer them into the actual binder. This is usually because my hands are shaking from the workout and the writing is not as legible as I want it to be for a permanent record. I place a small star next to any personal set/rep records. This is another way of setting and achieving very small goals, which eventually add up to large and impressive goals. At the end of the workout, I record post workout notes such as how the workout went, any new techniques used, form notes and anything else I can think of that will ensure that I make progress in my next session.

One of the great things about keeping an accurate training journal is that limits over-training to a large degree. I have had bad workouts, but I have never had two bad workouts in a row. I was always able to read my journal and know what to adjust in order to make progress during my next session. I have at times kept a nutrition journal, and though I always found it to be a tedious chore, it always produced favorable results.

I hope this helps you to maximize your results in the gym and in your life.

Keith Wassung

[quote]starkmann wrote:

I agree with you both. I realize my dead is super sad and that my squat is lagging behind where it should be. My exscuse for the dead is that I have only been doing it for a couple months. At this point I have just finally gotten comfortable with the lift. I am hoping to get it moving up the charts soon. I’m trying to figure out how to go about it, so any thoughts there would be helpful. At this poin I’m just planning on doing it more often, but the more I read about it the more I hear that a lot of people never even do them unless they are in competition.

Starkmann[/quote]

My deadlift was also pretty sad when compared to my bench press. You just have to be prepared to focus on that one lift while not necessarily making progress on the other 2. What worked for me was maxing out my deadlift every 10 days or so and also incorporating some cleans midway through that 10 day period to work on accelerating the weight from the ground. I’ve been gaining about 5 or 10 pounds on my deadlift every week with this approach, so I guess it’s been mildly successful. Basically one speed day and one heavy day every 8 or 10 days should work fine.

[quote]Orbitalboner wrote:
I’ve been gaining about 5 or 10 pounds on my deadlift every week with this approach, so I guess it’s been mildly successful. Basically one speed day and one heavy day every 8 or 10 days should work fine.[/quote]

I could live wih 5-10 pounds per week.

Although the second half of what I posted above is something I need to ask about. Do most of you guys hit a lift/bodypart once a week and that’s it? I think I may be lifting too often, but am unsure. I lift six days a week. I do upper(bench) and lower(squat/dead) body days. So in a typical week I may bench three different days and squat(or dead) three different days. When I look at stuff on the internet about westside and other programs it looks like they are hitting the gym three days a week and doing the same lift for two weeks straight. Am I understanding this correctly?

Starkmann

You can also switch between Deadlift and Goodmorning from week to week.

I find that since my hands got way too many caluses (and some of em just ripped apart), i need to do less deadlift and more goodmorning to let my hands heal and GM brings up my Squat alot.

Just like you mentionned earlier, when you start lifting heavier, you become stronger. This happens too when you prefer some exercices (ex: i prefer doing squats alot more than bench press).

You will find that you’re lower back may be what is holding you back on your squat (since your DL is so light).

And try to Deadlift with your bare hands and chalk, men lifts with bare hands.