[quote]slotan wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
and I REALLY appreciate your time too mate! nice one and yeah, it does make sense and you could well be right.
You’re welcome.
“1) Not enough time per program/rep scheme. It is quite possible that you’re expecting too much in relatively small time frame.”
so 12-14 weeks insnt enough time to give a routine to see if it works?
I was under the impression that you changed things more often, like every 4-5 weeks. After 12 weeks, you should be able to report some progress in weights you’re using. Nevertheless, I was refering to this type of situation: after some time, you actually try lifting more - but fail! For instance, shoot for a new 5RM, 10lbs more, and do just three reps? I gathered that might be the case for you… so I suggested some approaches where you can try lifting a few reps or sets more every time.
2) "Too high intensity and too low volume. In the end, you have to be pushing bigger weights, that is true. But, it is possible you start too close to your PR levels,"
firstly, what exactly are PR levels?
PR = Personal Record
I was thinking that you don’t handle training with maximal weights that well. Say your max is 100kg for 5 reps. If you use that as a starting point, from workout 1, that max effort could simply be too much for you. Maybe you train too intensly and require much time to recover. Think about a powerlifter doing a meet each week.
“I would suggest setting up some kind of a cycle, where, generally speaking, you start with weights you can easily handle for prescribed number of reps. From that point, you increase slowly, adding sets or weight or both. When things get tough, you push hard for a week or two, than lay off. Start the cycle again with a bit more than the previous time.”
so basically, if I had a 15 rep max of say 100kg on dealift, I’d use that for 5 reps, and increase the weights each week. so Im basically starting off REALLY REALLY easy and making small weight increases weekly and when it gets too difficlt to lift, drop the weight back to say 105kg and go again?
You don’t have to start as low, 10RM would probably be better. You also have options of starting low and making bigger jumps, or starting not so low and making lower jumps. But the main idea is what you said: progress without things grinding to a halt, even though some of it is pre-planned. For a while, think about training as a practice, not as do-or-die event.
you mentioned 5x5, I did use this a while back and sort of did it the way you mentioned in the fact that I used 5x5 using the same weight and I added weight until I couldnt make 5 sets of 5 reps, so it looked like this:
100kg 5 reps
100kg 5 reps
100kg 5 reps
100kg 4 reps
100kg 3 reps
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Yeah, that’s basically it. I suggested you intentionally start under your true maxes for reasons I outlined above. And to be on the safe side, I recommended dropping sets as a form of deload, since when you reach that point, you will probably be lifting regulary for 4-5 weeks.
“You start with about 8RM and do reps 1/2/3/4/5/1/2/3/4/1/2/3… Rest about 20 sec per rep you did in the previous set, so the rest times would go 20/40/60/80/20/40 etc”
could you elaborate a bit more on that, i didnt follow it properly (and Ive never come across this sort of training before WOOHOO lol)(any links?)
take 8 rm, and 15 sec rest per rep
set 1 - 1 rep, 15 sec rest
set 2 - 2 reps, 30 sec rest
set 3 - 3 reps, 45 sec rest
set 4 - 4 reps, 60 sec rest
set 5 - 5 reps, 75 sec rest; this should be tough but not to failure
set 6 - 1 rep, 15 sec rest
set 7 - 2 reps, 30 sec rest
set 8 - 3 reps, 45 sec rest
set 9 - 4 reps, now this is tough and you realize you won’t be able to do 5 reps in the next set
set 10 - 1 rep
set 11 - 2 reps
etc.
As you see, the goal becomes to do as much sets as possible without buring out. When starting, do just one “trip”:
1/2/3/4/5. Next time, add another, so you’ll be doing 1/2/3/4/5/1/2/3/4 And so on. Do a search for an interview with “Evil Russian” Pavel T. from a few years ago.
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so, let me get this straight:
6-8 rep max, using the same weight throughout.
set 1, then rest 1.5 mins
set 2, then rest 1.5 mins - maybe this set will be 1 rep short on the last set?
set 3, rest 1.5 mins
set 4, - very near failure on the 3rd rep
then the next time i will be able to do more reps but I won’t do the 4th set? Im a little confused here too.
I’m liking the sound of ‘b’ on the 5x5 though ![]()
No, what I meant was something like this:
take 8rm
set 1 - 3 reps, 1.5min rest, very easy
set 2 - 3 reps, 1.5min rest, easy
set 3 - 3 reps, 1.5min rest, not easy
set 4 - 3 reps, 1.5min rest, medium
set 5 - 3 reps, 1.5min rest, medium
set 6 - 3 reps, 1.5min rest, starting to get tired
set 7 - 3 reps, 1.5min rest, struggling with last reps
From next workout, to be on the safe side, you’ll be doing just 6 sets of 3 to 5 reps. So you could do something like 4, 4, 4, 3, 3, 3 and then next time
all 6x4 etc.
In the 5x5 approach I suggested you use the fixed volume and ramp up the intensity. Here intensty is constant and you increase volume.
really appreciate your time mate. will put some of those words into action in a few weeks time- im in PCT, so won’t be making much in the way of gains for a few weeks anyway
defitely some food for thought there though ![]()
Keep us posted.
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ahhh, PR = personal record. dunno where you’re from (the states I take it?) but we (in the uk)use the term PB = personal best. ![]()
thanks again, your last post has made things alot clearer ![]()