[quote]csulli wrote:
I hesitate to bring this up, since I have absolutely no solution to the issue, but do you think any of this is related to how long you can pull before you start blacking out? I may be seeing it wrong, but in that 600 video, I feel like if you just had a little more time you could have ground it out, but I saw your head start drooping and your knees getting a little wobbly and I wasn’t sure if that was you starting to go or not.[/quote]
I was going to mention this as well. This is the second video I’ve seen where you black out in a short amount of time on a deadlift Reed, and I think it points to a lacking ability to strain on the lift. I would consider implementing some touch and gos, where you don’t get a chance to rest between reps and have to keep tension for a long period of time personally. I’ve found that has been a boon in my ability to strain, and recently pulled a 10 second 650lb single as a result.
[quote]csulli wrote:
I hesitate to bring this up, since I have absolutely no solution to the issue, but do you think any of this is related to how long you can pull before you start blacking out? I may be seeing it wrong, but in that 600 video, I feel like if you just had a little more time you could have ground it out, but I saw your head start drooping and your knees getting a little wobbly and I wasn’t sure if that was you starting to go or not.[/quote]
I was going to mention this as well. This is the second video I’ve seen where you black out in a short amount of time on a deadlift Reed, and I think it points to a lacking ability to strain on the lift. I would consider implementing some touch and gos, where you don’t get a chance to rest between reps and have to keep tension for a long period of time personally. I’ve found that has been a boon in my ability to strain, and recently pulled a 10 second 650lb single as a result.[/quote]
But I don’t think it’s a muscular inability to strain at all, it’s like a blood pressure issue or something. He’s only got a certain window to get the pull before the pressure puts him out. So basically he has to smoke the pull really fast or it’s probably gonna take too much time. It’s not actually his muscles failing. There may be something you can take to help counteract it, but it would take someone more experienced in the pharmaceutical side of things than I am to figure out what.
But I don’t think it’s a muscular inability to strain at all, it’s like a blood pressure issue or something. He’s only got a certain window to get the pull before the pressure puts him out. So basically he has to smoke the pull really fast or it’s probably gonna take too much time. It’s not actually his muscles failing. There may be something you can take to help counteract it, but it would take someone more experienced in the pharmaceutical side of things than I am to figure out what.[/quote]
Right, I’m saying that this is actually a quality that can be trained. The ability to strain without passing out. It’s something I’ve been focusing on in my training, basically holding my breath and maintaining the valsalva maneuver for as long as possible in a set.
I’ve been breaking more and more blood vessels each deadlift workout as a result, but my deadlift keeps climbing.
Man, you weren’t kidding about how close that 600 was (I read your meet write-up, but this is the first time I’ve watched the video). If I’d just watched the first part of the lift, I’d have assumed you got it - really impressive speed off the floor with everything you touched. Keep grinding!
But I don’t think it’s a muscular inability to strain at all, it’s like a blood pressure issue or something. He’s only got a certain window to get the pull before the pressure puts him out. So basically he has to smoke the pull really fast or it’s probably gonna take too much time. It’s not actually his muscles failing. There may be something you can take to help counteract it, but it would take someone more experienced in the pharmaceutical side of things than I am to figure out what.[/quote]
Right, I’m saying that this is actually a quality that can be trained. The ability to strain without passing out. It’s something I’ve been focusing on in my training, basically holding my breath and maintaining the valsalva maneuver for as long as possible in a set.
I’ve been breaking more and more blood vessels each deadlift workout as a result, but my deadlift keeps climbing.[/quote]
Ah interesting. Although Reed if you start training your ability to resist blackouts, make sure you’ve got some padding on the floors lol.
Just want every one who cares to know I skipped front squats went straight to pulls this evening and strapped in and pulled 600 a double as easy I did the 575 in the meet no way I could have without the straps though
Went into the garage today and skipped front squats and went straight into pulls. I was on a mission and pissed off. I warmed up with the lowest volume I ever had to stay as fresh as possible and loaded the bar to 600. I strapped and pulled it for a double. First rep looked fast as hell like it didn’t even phase me was as easy as the 575 I did at Nats then the second rep I about lost grip even with straps and my left leg htched kinda sorta.
I have got to work on my grip and lockout power. I have found my problem is not actually lockout though. It is grip. When I feel my hand start to open I put everything I have into keeping it closed and I forget to continue to pull which is why I stall. The first rep with the straps locked in hard I was fast the second one you can see me struggle until the wrap catches and then BAM I lock it out.
I am having a hard time seeing if your grip was mixed on that or not.[/quote]
yeah I go over under even with straps. Double over causes me all kinds of weird problems.[/quote]
Well, I guess you now know what the issue is.
I was asking because I am told that deadlifting with double overhands is different from mixed grip. It changes the leverages slightly and double overhand makes you a tiny bit “longer” in the pull. I am not sure how much truth there is to that though, or if it matters much.
I am having a hard time seeing if your grip was mixed on that or not.[/quote]
yeah I go over under even with straps. Double over causes me all kinds of weird problems.[/quote]
Well, I guess you now know what the issue is.
I was asking because I am told that deadlifting with double overhands is different from mixed grip. It changes the leverages slightly and double overhand makes you a tiny bit “longer” in the pull. I am not sure how much truth there is to that though, or if it matters much.[/quote]
Yeah that is the case atleast for how ever my lock out is horrible and when I go double over I round my upper back alot which pulls me way over the bar and makes it even harder for me to push through.