I made a beginers mistake about a year and a half ago by taking a cycle of winstrol and not following with pct. My erections are not the same as they used to be and my testicales are not always as they were. shrunkin sometimes, barely full at times. Iv talked to doctors which seem to not care to help and they say my test levels are normal.
i have recently been suggested to take a cycle of test and follow with clomid to get back to normal. im willing to do whatever it takes to get my penis back to normal. if this is the the way to do it im looking for suggestions on dosage, what to use, and what to follow with for pct. or any other directions to take to get results i need. any help?
I’m no MD nor do I play one on TV but I think that’s a fairly decent idea to run some test. Add proviron alongside it though. Proviron is a must for any test cycle but in your case even moreso. Normally I recommend 25mg ED or 50mg EOD. In your case and with your condition 50mgED or more is probably a better idea. You may even consider using proviron after you’re off the test for your sexual health.
[quote]sapasion wrote:
I’m no MD nor do I play one on TV but I think that’s a fairly decent idea to run some test. Add proviron alongside it though. Proviron is a must for any test cycle but in your case even moreso. Normally I recommend 25mg ED or 50mg EOD. In your case and with your condition 50mgED or more is probably a better idea. You may even consider using proviron after you’re off the test for your sexual health.[/quote]
how long and how often should i take the proviron and test. should i use clomid? and when do i use the proviron? if you could set out a whole week by week cycle it would be greatly appreciated. thank you.
[quote]fentanyl36 wrote:
sapasion wrote:
I’m no MD nor do I play one on TV but I think that’s a fairly decent idea to run some test. Add proviron alongside it though. Proviron is a must for any test cycle but in your case even moreso. Normally I recommend 25mg ED or 50mg EOD. In your case and with your condition 50mgED or more is probably a better idea. You may even consider using proviron after you’re off the test for your sexual health.
how long and how often should i take the proviron and test. should i use clomid? and when do i use the proviron? if you could set out a whole week by week cycle it would be greatly appreciated. thank you.[/quote]
If you’re asking for HRT or TRT again I’m no expert. From what I gather dosages are considerably lower than what you’d use on a bulking cycle.
Having said that 1ml of 200-250mg’s of Test E/C a week along with 25-50mg of Proviron ED out to bring about something decent for you. 10-12 weeks is a decent time table. PCT wise I do not choose Clomid. Nolvadex is my preferred anti-E. Actually, the Proviron itself will have some good effects on limiting your body’s estrogen as well. If you do have or get problem with E nothing beats Arimidex though. However at that dosage of Test and with the Proviron ED you should not need it
for starters i would find a new doc that will give you a skript. don’t tell him that you did a cycle just say you think you have low test and give your symptoms.
then once you have it try PCT to see if you can fix it.
for PCT try clomid 150mg/d and nolva 40mg/d for the first week and then cut that in half for the next 2 weeks.
HCG might help also although I have no experience with it so you would be better off looking somewhere else for dosing.
[quote]fentanyl36 wrote:
quest520 wrote:
Like the old saying goes: It is never to late.
I don’t see why you wouldn’t start a pct cycle now? I really don’t know why you would want to do a cycle if you haven’t recovered from you last one.
Better yet this would be the best time to go to the doc and ask for a script. Joking, well kind of…
quest
i have visited the doc. he could care less. it really pissed me off. what type of pct would you recommend? how many mg a day and for how long?[/quote]
[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
for starters i would find a new doc that will give you a skript. don’t tell him that you did a cycle just say you think you have low test and give your symptoms.
then once you have it try PCT to see if you can fix it.
for PCT try clomid 150mg/d and nolva 40mg/d for the first week and then cut that in half for the next 2 weeks.
HCG might help also although I have no experience with it so you would be better off looking somewhere else for dosing.
fentanyl36 wrote:
quest520 wrote:
Like the old saying goes: It is never to late.
I don’t see why you wouldn’t start a pct cycle now? I really don’t know why you would want to do a cycle if you haven’t recovered from you last one.
Better yet this would be the best time to go to the doc and ask for a script. Joking, well kind of…
quest
i have visited the doc. he could care less. it really pissed me off. what type of pct would you recommend? how many mg a day and for how long?
you can try the nolva or clomid. They are so simmilar, they will work as good seperately as they would together.
usually dose like so:
nolva:
40mg twice per day for first week
20mg twice per day for second week
20mg twice per day for third week.
you should notice a difference within the first two weeks, if you are going to have any improvement at all.
Sometimes it just takes years to get back to ‘normal’ i.e. pre steroid days following using steroids. Your test levels could look normal, but that is just the name of the game. Unless you knew what your range was know prior to you cycle, there is no way of really telling the difference from then to now.
Using more AAS of any sort is just going to make things worse for you once you go off it. So I would have to say that isn’t a good idea, if you don’t want to cycle anymore don’t use more AAS.
For 28 days do
20mg nolvadex/d
25mg aromasin/d
vit e injections ed
Do HCG 500iu ed for the first 10 days and you will be turned back on brotha… You have to completely eliminate estrogen from your body for an entire month to force your body back into producing test… You always have to essentially wake up your body to start producing LH so you can produce test… Give it a shot and you’ll be more than happy…
[quote]T-Matt wrote:
For 28 days do
20mg nolvadex/d
25mg aromasin/d
vit e injections ed
Do HCG 500iu ed for the first 10 days and you will be turned back on brotha… You have to completely eliminate estrogen from your body for an entire month to force your body back into producing test… You always have to essentially wake up your body to start producing LH so you can produce test… Give it a shot and you’ll be more than happy…
T-Matt[/quote]
and what are you…a doctor? vitamen E injections?.. that’s gotta be the most stupid advice I have ever read.
Hey, Doesn’t Clomiphene(clomid) pic up the estrogen level and Tomoxifen(nolvadex) serve as an anti estrogen. Am I mistaken on this P22? I was thinking… nolvadex(tomoxifen citrate) @ the dosage mentioned,would be the best route for this gentlemen. I don’t mean to nitpick, I just wan tto see him get it right.
[quote]biscuite wrote:
Hey, Doesn’t Clomiphene(clomid) pic up the estrogen level and Tomoxifen(nolvadex) serve as an anti estrogen. Am I mistaken on this P22? I was thinking… nolvadex(tomoxifen citrate) @ the dosage mentioned,would be the best route for this gentlemen. I don’t mean to nitpick, I just wan to see him get it right.
bis[/quote]
Clomid and Tamoxifen are both SERMs that do nothing to reduce E. As they end up increasing T, E levels are increased. An AI is needed to reduce the E. The SERM does make some receptors in the body blind to the E and that is the benefit.
I was thinking Tamoxifen (shorter term), overlapping Arimidex (longer term low dose), HCG and proviron. The OP is in the USA, which restricts some options to the last two items if avoiding cross border shipping. I guess in a pinch like this, response will be very individualized(variable).
As for specific timing of these items, that out of my experience. I think that we need the HCG to get the testes moving and ready when LH comes to the party. AI to provide some longer term sheltering from E. Proviron to get things interesting.
well i ordered nolva and arimidex. i started taking 50mg of the nolva daily and was gonna do 50, 50, 25, 25 for 4 weeks. does this sound like a good dose? how long should it take for me to notice any affects?
[quote]fentanyl36 wrote:
well i ordered nolva and arimidex. i started taking 50mg of the nolva daily and was gonna do 50, 50, 25, 25 for 4 weeks. does this sound like a good dose? how long should it take for me to notice any affects?[/quote]
There may be a need for longer duration in your case where you have had persistant LH depression. And an overlap with HCG might be a good idea as well. How long do you think that supply of nolva will last? If the SERM does what is expected, and increases your T, then E will also increase. A sudden stop of nolva can hit you with a E rebound effect as E levels can be higher than when you started.
This is where the AI comes into play and the need to taper off the SERM. (This is my understanding. I have not used any SERMs.) Nolva does act like E in the liver and CVS; which improves cholesterol profiles and endothelial function. So positive sides in that regard. Compare to use of heavy AI use where the opposite can occur.
