Help for Daughter's 19-Yr Old Boyfriend, First Cycle Before Jail

Chris, I know the best counter to a guillotine is not being put in one. I think the entire world knows that. How do you personally recommend not being put in one because I recommend you get some training and experience fighting.

Don’t tell me. You probably think the best way to get big and strong is to just start lifting weights, right? I would recommend if you never lifted weights to find a good personal trainer who can teach and has some accolades. Just like I recommend if you wanted to learn how to eat in accordance with your strength training goals to see a nutrionist and have a chef cook your meals if you are too young and dumb to cook them for yourself.

Your advice when it comes to eating is “the best way to eat right is to not eat wrong”!!!

Fuck yeah Zeek. This is the kind of stuff I need to hear. I teach non verbal interpersonal skills as they relate to the human dimension. Most techniques are cross cultural but I have limited experience with the prison demographic. Identifying threats is what I focus on. Now you’re providing the info I can tailor to his training program. Thanks.

The risk is worth the gain. I understand that this is not recommended but what I am asking is something along the lines of “if money were not an issue, what would put him in the best shape possible”, what compounds or cycle would be the least of all the evils. Would 3IUs a day of HGH be beneficial? I would say yes but then again I posted on here to get subject matter expert reviews. I just expected recommendations on the least invasive cycle. That’s all.

Thanks Yubs. Good advice.

No, saying you “paid 2k at a pro fight center” does not imply that a personal trainer and personal chef were included.

Weird that’s your interpretation when every single guy posting here has offered pretty useful advice. It’s just not the advice you were hoping for.

Congrats on missing the point.

I mean, other than some details along the way, that is sort of a fundamental step, yeah.

What does his training look like? And, for the second time, how tall is he?

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The majority of the encounters in prison are going to be dealing with alpha personalities and pure ignorance. People with very little problem solving skills. This makes it easy for someone who can talk well to maneuver thier way around.

You training him in mma etc is probably actually the worse thing you can do right now. The last thing he needs to think is that he can use his hands the solve any problems he encounters while incarcerated. Even for someone like you who had been trained etc when you are surrounded by 6 fellas in a 5x8 cell it doesn’t matter how much training you have your not coming out on top. That’s why you never end up in that situation and the best way to do that is thru words.

As i said tho he will be in a minimum security block with a drug charge the chances of him encountering any problems is slim. I was incarcerated in a federal USP that’s federal maximum security one step down from ADX (where you never come out of your cell) during my 5 years there I never had any issues.

If he remains respectful and humble he will be fine.

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I don’t get the impression that the OP’s intent is geared towards this goal. I believe he wants the kid to simply have some basic self defense skills to rely on in the event he’s attacked.

I agree with you however that the odds are probably slim as long as he minds his own business, keeps his mouth shut and learns to live by the rules.

Chris I’m driving and will respond later with details. His height is 5’9. I will send his workout program in detail later. Thanks.

Ya unfortunately a lot of times kids take a few self defense classes and they think they are Bruce Lee. Ultimately the bests self defense he can use if he gets attacked is gonna be the fetal position curled up hands covering head elbows covering kidneys etc.

But your exactly right. In a low security block they can go over a year without fights breaking out. And usually when fights do happen it’s because of a dispute that was brought in from the streets.

For example you robbed me for money and I haven’t seen you then I get locked up and there you are in that block. Boom insta fight.

This kid will be fine tho low security blocks are like day camps shit even the max blocks are like big resorts for criminals lol we used to have a great time. No rent or bills. Free gym membership. Football, baseball, basket ball, cards, gambling (casino style) theater rooms. If they allowed us to order escorts I probably would have stayed a bit longer🤷‍♂️

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Gotcha. Wanted to make sure he wasn’t, like, over 6 feet. I’d think being average-size like that will help at least a little to blend into the crowd and not draw undue attention (outside of already being a younger kid).

Most “professional” lifters are actually crap coaches. Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach. The guys with natural ability don’t take the time to learn, the guys that lack genetics learn every little thing that they can. Your boy’s biggest concern is probably someone wanting to steal whatever he gets from the canteen. He should avoid altercations and mostly keep to himself in there, but know how to stick his thumbs in a guys eyes if he has to. He could go on anadrol and be a raging beast, but that just makes him a target and he’ll be natty while he’s inside.

You have invested all this money into this kid, why didn’t you invest it into an attorney?

Why not petition the court for a sentence reduction or even set it aside if he undergoes treatment coupled with probation for 5 years? I am getting the feeling this isnt his first offense.

I really don’t see anyone giving you advice on a cycle for this kid. The risks outweigh the reward.

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The training facility workout program looks like this:

Monday: Upper Body

Tuesday: Lower Body

Wednesday: Regeneration

Thursday: Upper Body

Friday: Lower Body

Everyday follows the same routine except Wednesday’s regeneration day. You show up in the morning, go to the restaurant, a chef cooks your meals as per the nutritionists guidelines, you feel out your log on how much you slept, where you are sore and then take your morning vitamins. After that you piss in a cup so they can see your hydration level and based on where you are at an intern will bring you a drink mix that contains some additional hydration supplements. Then you go see the physical therapist who will start with soft tissue work (scraping, cupping, and massage) then mobility and stability for any trouble spots. Then the PT will run you through some stability and mobility drills for those same trouble spots. An intern then brings you preworkout supplements which consist of BCAAs and beta alanine. The morning workout then starts. First you foam roll full body, do stability and mobility in preparation for the workout and then head outside to the field for the first workout. The morning workout consists of first using resistance bands to prep some muscles and then you do some walking stretches and prime either lateral or forward movement drills with concentration on sprints or slower movement speeds. Then the workout starts. The morning focuses on Energy Systems Development (ESD), which is just a different name for cardio but differs because each day the ESD is different and focuses on one of three zones (green, yellow or red). It just varies in intensity. For instance one morning the workout could be 50 meter sled pushes with a three minute bike interval or X sprints followed by sled pulls and tows. Once the workout is complete if you are a fat boy you do 20 minutes of green zone ESD that doesn’t hurt or aggravate anything sore or an injury either on a bike, treadmill or elliptical. After the workout an intern brings you the post workout shake that is different for everyone but usually consists of two bananas, protein, glutamine, creatine, and one scoop berries. Then you cool down with the hot/cold tub and then use compression therapy devices like the normatec or game ready to circulate cool water and compression on any sore areas. Then you get your morning sports therapy deep tissue massage. After the massage you then go to a ground training class which is usually judo or juijitsu. Once you are done with the class you cool down with hot/cold tub and compression therapy if you need it. Then you go to the restaurant and eat as per your nutrition plan and fill out your training logs.

The afternoon follows the same format as the morning only instead of doing an ESD workout you do a strength workout and instead of ground training you do strikes and learn compound movements both defensive and offensive and pull together what you learned on the ground and standing up. You finish up with your massage and then grab you prepared meal for dinner and go home.

The only day that is different is Wednesday and that focuses on soft tissue, mobility and stability and has your long massage and a one on one class that isn’t physical and focuses on teaching you whatever it is that you are fucking up. You are off by 1pm this day.

The one thing I left out is the inprocessing portion. That is very detailed and I just don’t have the time to write it all. But trust me, it’s good. A portion of it has you suit up in full body spandex with all these balls attached to you and the room has over 36 cameras and they fill you 360 degrees doing movements so they can tailor exercises to how your body moves and avoid exercises known to hurt that body type. For example, based off how your body moves they may say, “Don’t ever deadlift, but you can trapbar deadlift”. They dexa scan you and a bunch of other stuff like draw labs and see if there is any underlying issue etc. There is much more to it.

All the lifts follow the same agenda. You have Olympic/Powerlifting block, Primary block, Secondary block, and rotational block and a finisher. An upper body day my look like this: cleans, alt db incline bench/TRX rows (primary), weight vest push ups/kb shoulder press (secondary), chops, planks, rotational stretch (rotational) and then finish it up with a farmers carry and rice grabs or plate pinches and suitcase waiters carry. The exercises/reps are based off the individuals needs and goals. The workouts are proprietary so I won’t post them but if you would like a sterilized copy I can provide them to you directly. Just ask me via message.

I forgot to add that based off initial tests they give you any supplements you need so everyone is given their individual dose of morning and night time vitamins, fish oil, vitamin D, and magnesium oxide. Plus whatever supplement you need in order to get your levels in the body where they need to be. Usually it’s testosterone and growth hormone. Those supplements are based on labs initially drawn and just to get your levels back to normal. Before the problem identifiers start commenting please understand that this is a training program and most people show up with these issues in check. The initial testing is just to rule out issues that you may have shown up with.

I cannot write everything in the program and I don’t want to. I never post on these type of sites but a friend of mine swears the site is full of good info from people who want to help. Up until this point I don’t really agree. This site seems like it’s filled with know it alls that like to comment vice provide info as to my original question. What would be a good cycle, if any, to assist this kid. Even if someone came back and said with his age and stats they recommended no cycle and ripped fuel only to shed fat that would be better than some dumb ass asking me why don’t I just use the money to get his legal issues dropped or a lighter sentence. I was just joking about the ripped fuel comment. I’ll address in a little more detail some things so that we can refocus on any recommended supplements from people who use gear and supplements that can assist in in this kid meeting his training goals.

Legal: I have spent 36k in legal fees. His one year sentence is a direct result of the best lawyers I can afford. I don’t have time to discuss the entire case and it’s a moot point. We know what we are dealing with. I don’t need advice on this area.

MMA Training: everyone needs to know how to defend themselves. This kid understands that violence in any situation is a last resort and training for a few months does not make you a fighter. He understands that his best weapon is his brain and to recognize the threat first and avoid it. He does not think that just because he has some training that he can whip anyone’s ass and anyone who thinks that is delusional. Please do. It comment on this aspect of his training unless you agree that it’s important for any man, woman or child to understand that avoiding the threat is most important and that everyone should know how to defend themselves if push comes to shove. I do not want to hear people sit there and say that it is not important to know how to get away from someone who is choking you or sitting on top of you beating your face. If anyone here feels that it’s not important to be able to defend yourself if it comes to that then I’m on the wrong site. If you guys sit there and think you will talk your way out of every situation in life that you can’t run away from then that just let’s me know that you haven’t traveled the world and US and you are very sheltered. First look up the stats on violence, rape, abuse and murder so that way you can see that these events are random and if a 40 year old fat mom is raped and murdered and you actually would recommend against her not learning how to defend herself in a basic manner then you are a dumb ass.

I think I train at a level a lot of the guys who comment on my post won’t ever have the opportunity to train at because 1. I have money and 2. I am a special operations guy who has resources and assets that not everyone has.

I am here on this site because I know there are subject matter experts here that for whatever reason are experts in the field of steroid and other compound use at a pro level and I am looking for one of those guys to provide a recommendation as to what supplements or cycle could help, if any. I don’t need legal advice or training advice unless you understand my intent with this kid and your are proven yourself. I do not care about how you look and what has worked for you. That’s problematic. I care that you provide a recommendation, not naysay.

If this kid was not in the situation he is currently in my advice to him would be simple. Eat right and train in foundational and proven strength exercises and do research yourself as well as find a trainer that will help you remain injury free. But that’s not the situation he’s in.

When I wrote my original post I just assumed that we all give each other the benefit of the doubt when it came to our competency with training as well as training with gear without having to publish a book about the situation. Just because this post is in the beginner section doesn’t mean I’m a beginner.

I forgot to say thanks for anyone who has had the unfortunate experience of being in jail. I have two years juvy experience in Mississippi but never in the big boy jail. Giving me advice in regards to your experiences is always valuable and I truly do appreciate it. I didn’t expect to receive advice on the prison system but it has allowed me to look into and ask through my network guys that can tell him their story and that is always beneficial.

So thanks Zeek. Your advice was obvious stuff to me but stuff I never thought to tell him. Especially the idea of putting him directly in touch with guys like you that are open about how to handle day situations. Your willingness to share that portion of your life allowed me to go down that rabbit hole and put him in touch with people who can fill that gap and provide a small glimpse into the unknown.

So I think your primary problem with the advice you’ve been getting (aside for some of the ball-busting) stems from the fact that you’ve come here looking for advice on a problem with a solution already in mind. This is typical in many fieilds. The trouble is that’s not how experts work (and to be honest I don’t consider myself an expert but I’ll go with the wording you’ve chosen to use) and you should know this as a special operator. You would react exaclty the same whay if a GS-15 were dictating mission specific direction to your our your team on how to perform your job wouldn’t you?

The folks here are trying to help you do what is ultimatley best with respect to long term success.
You’ve asked for help and received it. The trouble is that the help did not fit the in the solution space that you brought with you.

Your ward will be fine.

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LOL. So this thread has basically been:

“Hey guys, can I get some advice?”

[gets a ton of advice.]

“You guys are jerks. But can I get some more advice?”

Get bent, man.

You’re training this kid like an professional athlete all to make sure he survives prison. That’s bananas, overkill, an absurd waste of money, etc., etc. Good luck to him, seems like you’re sure he’s gonna need it.

I really don’t see how there’s any more input you can get (from people you’re not interested in listening to) that hasn’t already been said.

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How about this. Does anyone have recommendations in regards to what supplement this kid can take to help shed some body fat?

And Chris, anyone who says the best way to get out of a guillotine is to not get put in one is just plain ridiculous. I bet you say the best way to be in shape is not to be out of shape. Or the best way to be successful is to not be unsuccessful. Are you mad? Because I’m not. You’re a moderator on this site and the best you can do is say “get bent”. What is this, Jersey Shore?

Good point Yubs. I get what you’re saying and you’re right. I do tend to get a little extreme with training and preparation and maybe I did post with a solution in mind. That’s my fault. I truly am open to recommendations and I do appreciate advice. Even if it doesn’t seem like it.

Sure I have no problem reccomending something that won’t be harmful to him.

I would say look into a strong OTC thermogenic fat burner. These can be extremely effective when proper diet and training are in place.

And when it comes to the money I could say the same thing about how you spend your money. I pay for things that are within my budget just like you do. If I can’t afford it then I don’t pay for it. Saying that training this kid like a pro athlete is a waste of money gives me a little insight into your training mindset. I bet you think buying pharmaceutical grade gear is a waste of money when you can get it cheaper from UGLs.