Help an Obese Noob

[quote]Kardash wrote:

[quote]joshua hudson wrote:
I am definatly in need of better diet.For the most part I have been eating like a 400 lb fat butt looser LOL

Oh Yeah sweet tee,soda,noodles,pop tarts and thats not counting these darn holidays.

One problem…when I cut out breads alltogether I get rather nasty bathroom effect, very urgent and very unpleasant, a little like the stomach flu but not as bad.It would be worth it but I visit people in there homes for a living and usually rely on public bathrooms.

Well whatever it takes I will do it.I am not living like this any more.Monday night starts dumbbell clean and press 10 lbs each woo hoo.[/quote]

Cutting out ALL the bread might a bit overambitious man… I luv the bread. And you probably do too. Just lower your overall intake. Perhaps making the portions smaller might help? i.e. half a plate instead of 1 full plate, 3 spoonfulls instead of 5 spoons etc.[/quote]
It may not be the lack of bread but what your eating in place of bread. For instance, if you always eat toast with your breakfast, a couple baloney sandwiches for lunch, and buttered bread with dinner switching all of that bread out with veggies might be a shock to your digestive system.

Like Kardash said, I would lower your intake gradually while adding in healthy options gradually. If you can ditch the bread all together that’s great but maybe an end-goal.

[quote]joshua hudson wrote:
So what about the notion that If I am dieting to loose fat I will not make significant gains in muscle and strenghth.[/quote]
Yes, what about it?

If you’re giving your body a reason to preserve whatever lean muscle you’ve got under there (with progressive resistance training) while giving your body the nutrition it needs to hang on to that lean muscle (quality protein), you’ll be fine.

And anyhow, I got the impression that your current goal is fat loss. Don’t worry about losing muscle or strength. Whatever muscle’s there should pretty much stay there. And we need to build a base level of strength before we worry about losing any.

Also, as was said, don’t try turning the dial from zero to 11 right out the gate when it comes to changing your diet. Let common sense be a factor. If it’s between soda, pop tarts, sweet tea, and pecan pie or a sandwich with lean turkey, tomatoes, lettuce, onions, and whole grain bread, which do you think is really contributing to fat gain?

[quote]powell3120 wrote:
And don’t eat fast or frozen food.[/quote]
Considering the big picture with this guy, what’s wrong with frozen food?

frozen veggies rock. Eat all of those you want! I’d avoid most frozen pre done meals because they tend to be either extremely unhealthy or unsatisfying or both, at least to me.

Also, when I fixed my diet there was about a 2 week stretch of really nasty gas and craps. You might try some beano or something (I just destroyed my commode because I’m OK with that). But it does get better. Just have to give it time, and lots of extra toilet paper.

If you can’t make yourself fix it all at once, change one thing a week–week one, cut out tea and regular soda. Week two, cut out pastries/sweet baked goods. Week 3 cut out booze (if you drink more than about one serving a day). Sub in healthy things as you go–water for the beverages, or even diet soda (it isn’t perfect, but it is better to drink 1-2 cans of diet soda a day than 2-3 cans of regular). Sub in veggies or lean meat for the sweet pastries. Etc.

Right now, at a bare minimum…walk 3-4 days a week at a brisk pace. Do some basic weights if you want–overhead press, barbell curl, and if you have DB handles for your weights, DB rows and lunges maybe.

[quote][quote]powell3120 wrote:
And don’t eat fast or frozen food.[/quote]

Considering the big picture with this guy, what’s wrong with frozen food? [/quote]

To clarify, veggies and fruit are fine… in fact an easy way to keep lots of veggies on hand… frozen fruit is great for the smoothie… I’d stay away from everything else.
Most frozen foods, especially frozen “meals” have a lot of preservatives and extremely high sodium content. Not to mention unsatisfying and very small.

you have an olympic bar and some plates. you have the desire to clean and press?

have you read ‘from the ground up’ by dan john?

he has this whole thing going on…

he describes how when he was a teenager they thought they were strong and then his dad had this ‘dad strength’ that meant he could pick an engine up out of a station wagon and carry it out onto the lawn.

he describes how they would take an olympic barbell with weights on it and they would pick it up and get it over their head however they could. and they would lift more weight in this fashion as they were able. and that sometimes some kid would figure a way that enabled them to get more weight overhead and then this became the technique and everyone would adopt that one.

realistically… you aren’t looking to get to the olympics are ya? realistically… if you lift that weight however you can you will be a better person than you were before. and you might even enjoy it. it might eventually be a playful thing. a mastery thing (that weight for the first time? fuck yeah!)

i think you shouldn’t be so afraid of play…

there are a few things that we know about… about not letting your knees cave in so they go more middle than your ankles… about not having your back curved when you pick up heavy shit. stuff like that… but start with light weights. and do it. and post pictures of you doing it. and people will reccommend stuff. and you can take it or leave it as you see fit (ymmv) and eventually over time you can be a badassmotherfucker lifing weights far in excess of what yuo (and i and everyone else) ever thought possible.

don’t worry about optimal or perfect technique. just lift the freaking weights already!

From one former fat fuck to another. Get a bike, ride it every day rain or shine. Twice a day if you can. Scare yourself that you are going to have a heart attack. If you don’t, rest assured at 400 lbs, you will later… Put yourself into calorie deficit. I shot for 2000 calories a day. Cut to 300 lbs. then start to train however your body will let you. I used 2 35 lb kettlebells for EVERY THING I DID until I cut to around 250. I did push-ups, KB swings, KB Deadlifts, anything I could do with those fucking things. Once the weight came off, I started increasing my intensity. At that weight I was able to start doing some lifting. When you get here, I would hope that the amazing transformation will give you the motivation needed to start training like a beast. Only you can will yourself to be what you want to be. At 6’-1/2" 250 lb BW, wildly guessing 25% or better BF%, I felt like I could do anything. I continued to do everything (probably most of it wrong) until I cut to 206, then I started to learn to lift better and eat better. At 206, I could eat and gain. You can’t serve 2 masters well at the same time. Just my experience, but I thought I’d share.