[quote]humble wrote:
Magarhe wrote:
Nobody is squeaky clean.
You can’t lump everyone into a group. The article was a good read. Sounds like some people are sick of injustice and want to sort things out.
Someone has to sort things out.
This is true, injustice needs to be stamped out. It doesn’t matter from whom it comes from. If people can restore a balance, then so be it.
Likewise though, if the balance comes from a group not popular by media, then people in essence shouldn’t have qualms about who it is dishing out the justice.
tom63 wrote:
multiculturalism does not work because different societies are run on different form of trust. most European countries and the USA run on a general trust society. Many Muslim countries are familial trust oriented. they basically say screw you if you’re not one of my family, or religion.
The USA runs on more the help out your neighbor type of thing. Look at how often we help out in various disasters as opposed to say Saudi Arabia.
What an insane idea you have there. Seriously, this mentality wreaks of ignorance and lack of understanding. It shows quite clear that you are pop-media trained.
Arab countries have contributed in the past and present to many worldwide situations and problems both financially, socially and by other methods. I will detail this a little more later.
To state that they only look after their own is downright ignorance of political sway the media has over what you do and don’t hear.
I do agree though that the idea of “multiculturalism” as espoused by European and Western countries like the USA and Australia is a hoax. It doesn’t really exist and is a way of conglomerating and socially engineering the masses into a blob of agreed and robotic like detectable responses.
The more people that act and behave the exact same way they’re programmed to, the easier they are to manage. Only someone naive cannot see that any govt has this at their best interests. So they sell us the spiel about multiculturalism and these big happy, hippy fest like acceptance of all but at the expense we all act the same… ie how big brother wants us to act.
Islam says something different. Quoting the Quran it says:
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).
This is preceeded by these verses:
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If two parties among the Believers fall into a quarrel, make ye peace between them: but if one of them transgresses beyond bounds against the other, then fight ye (all) against the one that transgresses until it complies with the command of God; but if it complies, then make peace between them with justice, and be fair: for God loves those who are fair (and just).
The Believers are but a single Brotherhood: So make peace and reconciliation between your two (contending) brothers; and fear God, that ye may receive Mercy.
O ye who believe! Let not some men among you laugh at others: It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): Nor let some women laugh at others: It may be that the (latter are better than the (former):
Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: And those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong.
O ye who believe! Avoid suspicion as much (as possible): for suspicion in some cases is a sin: And spy not on each other behind their backs. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Nay, ye would abhor it…But fear God: For God is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. [/b][/i]
Obviously from the above, the picture is quite different from what many are led to believe or many falsely attribute towards Muslims.
There seems to be a major issue with people being able to differentiate between scripture, ie doctrinal teachings, which is in essence what the religon is about and the actions of people, which are much more influenced by their surroundings, cultural upbringing and personal carnal impulsive egos rather than true religious teaching.
The sad thing is, lumping it all is the easy way to do things and the way pop-media chooses to portray Muslims.
I am not disagreeing that their indeed may be criminal activity by immigrants in the region but seriously, grow up with the generalizations and the baby out with the bathwater mentalities.
Back to the point above, multiculturalism is a hoax and it is far healthier to understand that we do have a whole range of different and wonderful cultures, beliefs, lifestyles and experiences and it is far healthier to understand and accept the other as being different and remaining within their confines than forcing upon them this preposterous and downright deceptive idea that harmony between people comes from practicing and believing a universal set of rules under the banner of multiculturalism.
In essence, this is nothing but reverse psychology racism and nothing short of supremacist ideology with a splash of political correctness.
Bill Roberts, I’m confused now. It seemed you posted in truth but then have changed your tone to sound sarcastic? Which is it?
If you were being truthful then I agree and there are plenty of examples historically recorded of Muhammad and similarly his followers (read true followers, not crazy zealots with their own interpretation of the religon) engaging in wonderful acts of kindness, charity and community harmony.
If you were being sarcastic, then it is in very poor taste.
The Prophet Muhammad had a Jewish neighbor. His neighbor quite disliked him and his preaching so would make it his mission to offend him. He’d throw garbage and dead animals towards his house often.
One day, Muhammad noticed that he didn’t receive any garbage from the man and because this wasn’t the norm, he grew concerned and visited him.
Upon receiving him, his neighbor was surprised and asked him about the nature of his visit.
Muhammad told him that he was used to receiving garbage from him on a daily basis and when he didn’t he was afraid something was wrong with him. The neighbor again moved by this informed him he was ill and felt guilty for his actions and embraced him and his teachings.
The Muslims in their earlier years were renown for their justice and tolerance towards other religions when they fell under the rule of Muslims. Jews, Christians and all alike were allowed to flourish financially under Muslim rule.
Traditional and orthodox Jews still attest to this today!
See: Rabbi Weiss, Outside Annapolis Peace Confab, Rips Zionism - YouTube
Rabbi Weis tells the truth about the way things traditionally were.
If Muslims today are not what they were yesteryear then it is not the fault of Islam. Islam as a religion removes it’s hand from being responsible for the idiotic behavior as practiced by some Muslims.
This is no different than Christianity removing it’s hand from the atrocities of Hitler who claimed to be a practicing Christian. Should Christianity be held hostage because of this maniacs actions?
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Ahem, Hitler was never a Christian. He was born into a catholic family but went down his own path.
He was a believer in the Occult and followed it very religiously. He believed in the Norse Gods. He was a true Pagan.
So you also fail to make an accurate point. In addition, the passages you posted are true. But then, this begs the question that why is it that the practice of the religion is so opposite of what’s actually written? Why?
You actually imply that it’s not the religion but the people. In essence, it’s not that they’re muslim, it’s because they’re Arabs.
