Is HT married to a hot Latin woman? Aren’t they great cooks? 
If her schedule is less hectic than yours, maybe she can boil your eggs for you?
Just a thought.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Is HT married to a hot Latin woman? Aren’t they great cooks?
If her schedule is less hectic than yours, maybe she can boil your eggs for you?
Just a thought.[/quote]
Yes he does. Lol
I worked this job the mental and physical toll is brutal especially working nights. Not an excuse just saying.
Carry on
I am also a nurse, I work on the day shift (7a-7p) at New York Presbyterian on the cardiac surgery stepdown unit. Our surgeons average 8-10 cases a day, so we usually get between 5-10 admissions on my time in addition to the same number of discharges. Additionally, we do the most heart and solid organ transplants in the country IIRC, and we take the sickest patients that nobody else will in the area. So, we are very busy.
That being said, there is absolutely no reason HT cannot make his breakfast or even all of his meals the night before his next shift. Granted, I don’t work 5-6 shifts a week, but I can cook a week’s worth of food in under an hour (including prep) while running laundry at the same time. Now that I have a grill, I can probably cook even more food simultaneously after getting the timing down.
If he really doesn’t have the time to boil eggs every day, he can boil a few dozen at once on his day off and throw them in the fridge. Hell, he could boil eggs while he takes a shower, or while he eats a meal, or takes a dump… it isn’t that hard.
I see that he’s married, I’m not sure why his wife doesn’t help with meal prep here if it’s such a problem. If she is complaining about cooking “so much” every day, then get a slow cooker, throw a bunch of shit in there, set it and forget it.
HT, have you ever had your thyroid hormone levels checked? On 200mg of t cyp a week and 2 IU of GH/day, you should be getting leaner by accident IMO.
…Well this thread just got interesting
grabs popcorn
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Is HT married to a hot Latin woman? Aren’t they great cooks?
If her schedule is less hectic than yours, maybe she can boil your eggs for you?
Just a thought.[/quote]
Yes he does. Lol
I worked this job the mental and physical toll is brutal especially working nights. Not an excuse just saying.
Carry on[/quote]
Working nights is rough and 12+ hour shifts cannot really be compared to your standard 8 hour work days but “where there’s a will there’s a way” right?
I’m sorry. I’m not buying that anyone who isn’t hustling for change on the street’s lifestyle is too hectic to get the food in on a diet consisting of 2 large shakes, peanut butter toast, hard boiled eggs, and a normal meal. Heavy needs to stop making excuses and everyone else needs to stop enabling those excuses and qualifying it with “not making excuses”.
"People have willed themselves to live in war torn countries, children have made miraculous recoveries from devastating accidents, men have wrestled competitively with no legs yet somehow you can’t lift a fucking weight becuase you don’t have some moron yelling at you to sit back?
Please. What a crock of shit. Expect more from yourself and you’ll be surprised." - Jim Wendler
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
Here is what my schedule looked like while prepping
Wake up 4:20 am
Arrive at gym 4:50 am - 45mins cardio
5:35 am - shower at gym
6am - 2pm : work at gym
2:30pm : eat pre workout meal
3:20pm - 5pm : workout
5:40pm : eat pwo meal
6pm - 7pm : cook meal for the following day
7:15pm - 8pm : cardio 45mins at gym
8:30pm : eat pre bed meal
9pm : sleep
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Holy shit that is a lot of time spent at the gym working and working out. And a pretty dedicated schedule. Crazy.
Would be a lot harder to do this kinda thing if you didn’t work at the gym. [/quote]
You think?
Cardio 1 was at the gym I work at, which is 25mins away from my house
Workout is at another gym.
Cardio 2 is at the same gym I had my workout at
So really the only benefit I had working at a gym was that I could do my morning cardio then take my shower then work. Someone could just as well go do their morning cardio outside, take their shower, and go work
[/quote]
Yeah good point, damn i thought it was all the same gym! When you put it like that thats dedication to the game right there.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Is HT married to a hot Latin woman? Aren’t they great cooks?
If her schedule is less hectic than yours, maybe she can boil your eggs for you?
Just a thought.[/quote]
Yes he does. Lol
I worked this job the mental and physical toll is brutal especially working nights. Not an excuse just saying.
Carry on[/quote]
Working nights is rough and 12+ hour shifts cannot really be compared to your standard 8 hour work days but “where there’s a will there’s a way” right?
[/quote]
on my unit, nights is usually busy between 7-9 pm and 4-7 pm. I’ve heard of nurses taking 2 hour breaks, sometimes as long as 4 hour breaks. I do realize its a different setting (med/surg vs ED) and it doesn’t sound like HT works at a unionized hospital, but not every night shift is brutal.
Someone brought up the point of the commute taking time away from meal prep and training. Fair enough. I have a 30 minute commute each way. I usually get home between 8-830 pm on a good day. on a bad day (ex. we have a cardiac arrest right at the end of the shift), I have gotten home at around 930 pm. if I do decide to train after coming home from work, it takes me at least an hour or so to finish. So, this would mean not getting home until about 11 pm.
… and I would still have the time to boil my damn eggs while I took a shower.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
I’m sorry. I’m not buying that anyone who isn’t hustling for change on the street’s lifestyle is too hectic to get the food in on a diet consisting of 2 large shakes, peanut butter toast, hard boiled eggs, and a normal meal. Heavy needs to stop making excuses and everyone else needs to stop enabling those excuses and qualifying it with “not making excuses”.
[/quote]
I’m not trying to derail the thread. All I’m saying is HeavyThrower is a stand up guy on here. If he says he wants this I beleive him. If he says his schedule is busy I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Remember he isn’t a professional body builder and as far as I know this is the first time he’s ever dieted down, it’s a whole new ball game.
This is just a bump in the road, a good coach should be helping him adjust not call him lazy.
My $0.02 anyway.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
I’m sorry. I’m not buying that anyone who isn’t hustling for change on the street’s lifestyle is too hectic to get the food in on a diet consisting of 2 large shakes, peanut butter toast, hard boiled eggs, and a normal meal. Heavy needs to stop making excuses and everyone else needs to stop enabling those excuses and qualifying it with “not making excuses”.
[/quote]
I’m not trying to derail the thread. All I’m saying is HeavyThrower is a stand up guy on here. If he says he wants this I beleive him. If he says his schedule is busy I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Remember he isn’t a professional body builder and as far as I know this is the first time he’s ever dieted down, it’s a whole new ball game.
This is just a bump in the road, a good coach should be helping him adjust not call him lazy.
My $0.02 anyway. [/quote]
This being the first time he’s ever dieted down is exactly why excuses like “I don’t have time to boil eggs once a week” shouldn’t be acceptable. This is hard because it’s something he’s never done before.
This isn’t about someone being a stand-up guy. I know plenty of great people who will make all sorts of excuses for why they can’t eat better. This isn’t a matter of morality or good people vs. bad people, this is a matter of wanting something badly enought to remove the word “can’t” from the vocabulary and find a way to get it done.
Here’s a newsflash: there are a ton of bodybuilders out there that do what it takes to get shredded and stay lean, and they do it on a regular basis. 99.9% of them aren’t IFBB professionals and have other obligations. I don’t know where you’re from, USMCCDS, but you should go to the next NPC show in your area. Everyone on stage there is going to be a guy with a job, a wife or a girlfriend, and possibly a kid. Everyone on stage there is going to the sort of lean that HT wants to be, and all of them will have managed to do it in spite of all of the other obligations in their lives.
Like I said, I like HT, too. He’s a good guy. I’m providing him a service right now that I would normally charge someone about $100/month for totaly free, I wouldn’t do that if I didn’t respect the dude. Part of what comes with respect is the willingness to call someone on their own bullshit when they’re about to short change themselves.
wow. i go to work for 14 hours, and i come back exited to say that we had relatively slow night, and i took to heart the first response Z and Strong posted regarding me missing meals to heart, and did get all my meals in today, as i am planning eating # 4 in a little later, AND that i just ordered a airdyne bike online in preparation for any cardio that they might recommend in the future.
well i was pretty proud of myself, but i guess i really suck, no? lol
lots of swings and jabs directed at me from multiple people, as well as a few postitive ones, i will address each one individually, but first let me get this off my chest:
i am all for not having sunshine blown up my ass, and for some straight talk and even some good natured ball busting directed my way if it comes from a good place, but the down right hostility i am sensing , ugliness, and maybe even insults i am hearing stops right now.
there is no need for it. if Z and Strong think i am not worth helping, and want to fire me as a “client” or “charity case” if you will, then they can do so respectfully, no hard feelings on my part, and we can all still carry on being “friends” if you know what i mean.
again, if i misunderstood some of this as i know emotion and intent can be hard to discern on a chat board, then please clarify, and carry on , i can take some friendly ball busting to get me motivated to do better.
but not the ugliness. i am a grown man, supporting two households, i have kids in private school, college, a mortgage, i have a very tough and demanding job where i deal with the absolute bottom rung of the community i serve, i do not need any more negativity in my life and will not leave myself open to it.
that being said, i will try to address some of the other posts individually now . in the order i received them.
HT, you don’t need to address all the comments.
Way to go with getting all your meals in.
Just use this as a jump off point and keep the momentum going.
This is a whole new ball game for you (dieting like this) so it will take some time to adjust.
You got this.
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
i have not been following the diet to a t. i still cannot get all 4 meals in. i usually get 2 shakes on one meal in, usually a pre work shake for my first meal(i have been working so much that i have been getting up just minutes before my shift start, and only have time for a shake, then i drink one shake at work, and then another after my workout after work, and if i not too tired, i get one of the meals in around 9-10 am before i go to bed. 
i am doing the best i can. [/quote]
"Meal 1 : 4eggs + 1 cup eggwhites cooked in coconut oil (1tbsp), 3 slices ezekiel bread, 1 tbsp natural peanut butter
Meal 2 : Shake 2 scoops proteins, 2 tbsp extra virgin olive oil, 2 tbsp natural peanut butter (sry :P)
Meal 3 : Shake 2 scoops proteins, 10 almonds, 5 rice cakes
Meal 4 : 8oz lean beef + 1.5cup rice (cooked) "
Not to piss on you but how hard is it to cook hard boiled eggs the night before when you are preparing your meal 4… the 1cup eggwhites you could just drink it and the 3 slices of ezekiel bread can be prepared with the tbsp of peanut butter in 2mins…
The 2nd shake should be taken pre workout, ideally 45mins (didnt write it sry) and the meal 4 should be cooked an eaten directly pwo
I do get that you work a lot but seriously… come on, its really not that hard.
Here is what my schedule looked like while prepping
Wake up 4:20 am
Arrive at gym 4:50 am - 45mins cardio
5:35 am - shower at gym
6am - 2pm : work at gym
2:30pm : eat pre workout meal
3:20pm - 5pm : workout
5:40pm : eat pwo meal
6pm - 7pm : cook meal for the following day
7:15pm - 8pm : cardio 45mins at gym
8:30pm : eat pre bed meal
9pm : sleep
Sure I get it you work 12hours… what about those other 12hours in the day?.. You really cannot take 20minutes out of those 12other hours to cook?.. Get at it. If you want it as much as you say let it show[/quote]
preping the meals is not an issue, and i like the diet, it actually is works ideally for my schedule, and it is obvious that you took into account my schedule and my work situation to heart when you designed it, for example like the shakes are my meals why at work and running.
i get it. i have a problem EATING the meals. I am not cheating and eating junk, and after initially gaining weight, i am losing it again, i just cant seem to stuff all of them down, i am not hungry, or i feel flat out too exhausted to eat.
the only thing i can think of is the nearly a month of starving myself and losing almost 30lbs, has fucked up my appetite some how, i appetite is legendary, and now it seems a piece of toast and a couple of eggs fills me up.
i got all meals in last night.
if you have any ideas as to why it seems my appetite as gone, i would like to hear them.
serious question, is there a place in this diet for black rice and avocados? if not fine, thats cool, i just love those two foods and if i could get them in that would be great.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
HT, you don’t need to address all the comments.
Way to go with getting all your meals in.
Just use this as a jump off point and keep the momentum going.
This is a whole new ball game for you (dieting like this) so it will take some time to adjust.
You got this.[/quote]
thanks big man.
[quote]zraw wrote:
I’ll be blunt and really just go ahead and say what I think the real problem is
The dedication to training seems to be great
The dedication to diet clearly isnt
The diet will have the greatest impact on body composition change
[/quote]
i agree. nobody on this sight could fault my work ethic in the gym, but i know that hard work and intensity only gets you so far and then there comes a time when the diet is what it takes to get you to the next level.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
This being the first time he’s ever dieted down is exactly why excuses like “I don’t have time to boil eggs once a week” shouldn’t be acceptable. This is hard because it’s something he’s never done before.
This isn’t about someone being a stand-up guy. I know plenty of great people who will make all sorts of excuses for why they can’t eat better. This isn’t a matter of morality or good people vs. bad people, this is a matter of wanting something badly enought to remove the word “can’t” from the vocabulary and find a way to get it done.
Here’s a newsflash: there are a ton of bodybuilders out there that do what it takes to get shredded and stay lean, and they do it on a regular basis. 99.9% of them aren’t IFBB professionals and have other obligations. I don’t know where you’re from, USMCCDS, but you should go to the next NPC show in your area. Everyone on stage there is going to be a guy with a job, a wife or a girlfriend, and possibly a kid. Everyone on stage there is going to the sort of lean that HT wants to be, and all of them will have managed to do it in spite of all of the other obligations in their lives.
Like I said, I like HT, too. He’s a good guy. I’m providing him a service right now that I would normally charge someone about $100/month for totaly free, I wouldn’t do that if I didn’t respect the dude. Part of what comes with respect is the willingness to call someone on their own bullshit when they’re about to short change themselves.[/quote]
This is the last post I will make because the thread is a good one. You and ZRAW are obviously providing a service here that is above and beyond just helping someone out.
That said, I have often found encouragement is better than discouragement. Honey vs. vinager type of thing. To say someone is just plain lazy because they didn’t pre-cook their meals is harsh. From these forums anyone can see HeavyThrower is anything but lazy. Being that he has never dieted down these types of stumbles should be expected. Did you or ZRAW ever stumble on your diets? Did Stu or CT or anyone else for that matter ever take 2 steps forward 1 step back? The guy works is ass off helping people all day and from what I can gather is working his ass off to get lean. Can he find time to boil eggs, sure he can. Does he need to be called lazy because he didn’t, no. That’s all I’m saying.
Good for all these other bodybuilders working and getting shredded, that is their PASSION. This is a first step for HeavyThrower. There is a huge difference. Unless I missed something he isn’t dieting down to walk on stage, it’s for his health and I suppose for fun.
Lastly, I’m getting pretty sick of seeing people write stuff like, “I’d normal charge $100 dollars for my services,” either volunteer your time or don’t. Can you see how frustrating it is to read that? It’s like you want to help, but you also want it known that your valuable. I get it your volunteering a service for free, I mean this sincerely, good on you, it’s awesome truly. You just don’t need to remind us every freakin day.
Anyway, I still thing these threads are great. You, Zraw, etc… are stand up guys and the forum needs guys like you. I’d just hate to see a guy like HeavyThrower get discouraged this early on because of word choice or accusations.
Like I said even if you respond, this is the last I’ll post. Please keep up the good work.
-Chris
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
i have not been following the diet to a t. i still cannot get all 4 meals in. i usually get 2 shakes on one meal in, usually a pre work shake for my first meal(i have been working so much that i have been getting up just minutes before my shift start, and only have time for a shake, then i drink one shake at work, and then another after my workout after work, and if i not too tired, i get one of the meals in around 9-10 am before i go to bed. i am doing the best i can. [/quote]
haha, you said it derek, i wont try to compare my job to others, as you know, unless you have done it they just will not understand, and also people get defensive when you talk about how rough your job is and they take it as you are somehow minimizing the importance of their careers.
Sure I get it you work 12hours… what about those other 12hours in the day?.. You really cannot take 20minutes out of those 12other hours to cook?.. Get at it. If you want it as much as you say let it show[/quote]
HT can defend his self, but as a guy who worked as a nurse in ER this “12 hour” day is more like a 14 hour day. You show up 30 min prior to shift and normally stay over at least 30 minutes. Plus I doubt he works right next door to his house. So you add in the 30 min to and from driving its a long day[/quote]
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Stronghold, just as an aside, did you used to have 2 guys sitting on a bench as your avi? They looked like they were wearing tennis whites…?[/quote]
It was a screengrab from the movie Step Brothers.
HT, my intent was for you to repeat the workouts and add weight to the main movements in each rep range as the training block progressed. I thought I specified that in my earlier post, if I didn’t then my bad.
I see Z’s point about the food. I have a fairly busy schedule (project management on a major construction project), 10-12 hours on rotating days with a long commute and I did 14 hour days as a trainer on my feet, in class, or driving between work and school. It can definitely be done. Remember that Erik Fankhouser is a professional bodybuilder and a nurse.
I work in a shitty construction trailer most of the time out in the field, don’t forget that you can microwave eggs and they turn out pretty well with minimal stink. Break them into a gladware the night before and throw them in the fridge, throw it in the micorwave for a few minutes and let it go while you’re showering/getting dressed. Then eat it in the car on the way to work. A lot of this is reprogramming your routine to be efficient at eating well. I’ve packed my food the night before for about 3 years now and it’s made a world of difference in allowing me to control my portions and stick to plan.
Remember, eating what you wanted and when you wanted is what got you fat to begin with. Keep doing what you’ve always done and you’ll keep getting what you’ve always got. Stop doing fat guy stuff and start doing lean guy stuff and you’ll get the results you desire to the extent that you desire them enough to do the lean guy stuff in the first place. You have lean guys here laying out for you exactly what that lean guy stuff is, so it’s up to you now to get it done.[/quote]
i got it loud and clear. thanks for clearing up about starting the cycle over. its a great system, one of the toughest routines i have done.
Okay back to good times.
Keep it up Heavy, Im routing for you
HT, keep battling brother. You have a lot of people cheering your on.