Lenny Mclean, an old school barenuckle boxer, ended up with seriously messed up hands. Thats why palm striking is used a lot in barenuckle fights. If you have a solid punch, you’re asking the bones in your hand to deal with a serious load. I dont think you can condition your hands to take more stress, but thats just my view.
No mouthpiece == crazy!!
[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Another possible reason you may want to consider using headgear is when sparring with people that are much much better than you. If you’re not wearing headgear, chances are you’ll develop nasty habits if they keep hitting you hard, such as getting punch shy and “dingo-ing” as we call it over here (covering up/crawling up your own asshole).
Conversely however, over reliance on headguards will probably instill bad habits like not enough head movement. It’s all about striking a balance IMO.[/quote]
Lack of head movement is from having a bad trainer, not using headgear. Headgear is a training tool, if people have bad head movement they’ll have it with or without headgear. [/quote]
I disagree. Unless you’re a professional fighter or you pay exorbitant amounts for private lessons your trainer isn’t watching you 100% of the time. You can develop a shitload of bad habits from working on your own.
Just look at MMA there a ton of guys that have excellent coaches but will still do shit like put their head down and swing an overhand right without covering up an then get knee’d in the face.
Cub Swanson for instance. [/quote]
Your coach at the professional level is usually the guy trying to correct bad habits you’ve developed over the years.
If your trainer doesn’t teach you head movement then they’re definitely a bad trainer. It’s however up to you to make the most of your training and shadow box on your own time and watch for bad habits.
You have a good chance to develop bad habits through shadow boxing, too. You need a good trainer to see if you’re making any mistakes when shadow boxing. I can relate here, with experience from practice. I never shadow box if a trainer ain’t nearby, or a fellow MMA practitioner to judge me, and my boxing ain’t that bad.
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[quote]silkyhorse wrote:
You have a good chance to develop bad habits through shadow boxing, too. You need a good trainer to see if you’re making any mistakes when shadow boxing. I can relate here, with experience from practice. I never shadow box if a trainer ain’t nearby, or a fellow MMA practitioner to judge me, and my boxing ain’t that bad.
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How long have you been boxing?
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]silkyhorse wrote:
You have a good chance to develop bad habits through shadow boxing, too. You need a good trainer to see if you’re making any mistakes when shadow boxing. I can relate here, with experience from practice. I never shadow box if a trainer ain’t nearby, or a fellow MMA practitioner to judge me, and my boxing ain’t that bad.
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How long have you been boxing?[/quote]
I have been doing MMA for two years. My MMA gym also have a bigger focus on the stand-up game, so we work on our boxing a lot. We have national champions as coaches(they’re still active, too).
I’ve been boxing(sparring) with some muay thai and pro boxers in class, and probably thanks to my MMA gyms stand up training i could keep up pretty well, but i don’t want to say that i have the skills of an Golden Glove fighter(like you?).
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I have always heard that the only thing it really does is stop cuts. Odds are it lessens a little bit of the blow, but just a little.
And I’ve never used it, but I don’t spar regularly, and having had that two-day headache numerous times, I’d say you might want to.[/quote]I agree it is for stopping cuts.
[quote]titopuente wrote:
I’m going to have to say that it does more than prevent cuts, it protects your head as well. That would be like saying wearing boxing gloves just prevents your hands from getting cut. I usually just use the ones at the gym, but after recently watching Anderson Silva sparring with the Windy Face Saver head gear, I might want to get one like that as well so I don’t have to get a broken nose while I’m sparring at the gym.
It seems like all the top pros wear head gear when sparring, at least in boxing. A guy at my gym said “We’re gonna have to take away your man card” when I wore mine and no one else was, but I was like "Fuck that, I have fractured cheek bone. I remember GSP and Rashad wearing head gear when they were sparring. All boxers wear them like Pacquiao, Mayweather, Marquez, Roy Jones, the list goes on. I am going to emulate the way WORLD CHAMPIONS train as best that I can. I don’t care what random people even if they are professional fighters say to me. [/quote] The guy that said that is just insecure in his manhood.
[quote]silkyhorse wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]silkyhorse wrote:
You have a good chance to develop bad habits through shadow boxing, too. You need a good trainer to see if you’re making any mistakes when shadow boxing. I can relate here, with experience from practice. I never shadow box if a trainer ain’t nearby, or a fellow MMA practitioner to judge me, and my boxing ain’t that bad.
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How long have you been boxing?[/quote]
I have been doing MMA for two years. My MMA gym also have a bigger focus on the stand-up game, so we work on our boxing a lot. We have national champions as coaches(they’re still active, too).
I’ve been boxing(sparring) with some muay thai and pro boxers in class, and probably thanks to my MMA gyms stand up training i could keep up pretty well, but i don’t want to say that i have the skills of an Golden Glove fighter(like you?).[/quote]
Lol, I quit competing before I was eligible to do Golden Gloves. I guess my username should be silvergloves instead.
After around 6 months to a year I’d say most should be able to shadowbox objectively. At that point they’ll know their fundamentals well enough to correct any problems with their stance, punching, or etc. and can use shadowboxing as a way to practice head movement as well as ring generalship[to some extent]. That and to make sure they don’t make any careless mistakes.
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]silkyhorse wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]silkyhorse wrote:
You have a good chance to develop bad habits through shadow boxing, too. You need a good trainer to see if you’re making any mistakes when shadow boxing. I can relate here, with experience from practice. I never shadow box if a trainer ain’t nearby, or a fellow MMA practitioner to judge me, and my boxing ain’t that bad.
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How long have you been boxing?[/quote]
I have been doing MMA for two years. My MMA gym also have a bigger focus on the stand-up game, so we work on our boxing a lot. We have national champions as coaches(they’re still active, too).
I’ve been boxing(sparring) with some muay thai and pro boxers in class, and probably thanks to my MMA gyms stand up training i could keep up pretty well, but i don’t want to say that i have the skills of an Golden Glove fighter(like you?).[/quote]
Lol, I quit competing before I was eligible to do Golden Gloves. I guess my username should be silvergloves instead.
After around 6 months to a year I’d say most should be able to shadowbox objectively. At that point they’ll know their fundamentals well enough to correct any problems with their stance, punching, or etc. and can use shadowboxing as a way to practice head movement as well as ring generalship[to some extent]. That and to make sure they don’t make any careless mistakes.[/quote]That’s cool, but do you still box? or fight?
I have to agree to that you should be able to fix some problems with shadow boxing, and I suppose the coach could evalutate you when you show up for your next practice session.
You could also ask him to evaluate you if you’re 5min early before you begin.
So i guess you made your point. I still don’t think that shadow boxing could correct most of the problems, and I have seen that myself. I don’t know about boxing, though. You only box, so you should probably learn to shadow box pretty quickly, of course.
I don’t believe you’ll be getting cuts, unless you have very sharp bones, or your skin is very sensitive.
[quote]silkyhorse wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]silkyhorse wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]silkyhorse wrote:
You have a good chance to develop bad habits through shadow boxing, too. You need a good trainer to see if you’re making any mistakes when shadow boxing. I can relate here, with experience from practice. I never shadow box if a trainer ain’t nearby, or a fellow MMA practitioner to judge me, and my boxing ain’t that bad.
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How long have you been boxing?[/quote]
I have been doing MMA for two years. My MMA gym also have a bigger focus on the stand-up game, so we work on our boxing a lot. We have national champions as coaches(they’re still active, too).
I’ve been boxing(sparring) with some muay thai and pro boxers in class, and probably thanks to my MMA gyms stand up training i could keep up pretty well, but i don’t want to say that i have the skills of an Golden Glove fighter(like you?).[/quote]
Lol, I quit competing before I was eligible to do Golden Gloves. I guess my username should be silvergloves instead.
After around 6 months to a year I’d say most should be able to shadowbox objectively. At that point they’ll know their fundamentals well enough to correct any problems with their stance, punching, or etc. and can use shadowboxing as a way to practice head movement as well as ring generalship[to some extent]. That and to make sure they don’t make any careless mistakes.[/quote]
That’s cool, but do you still box? or fight?
I have to agree to that you should be able to fix some problems with shadow boxing, and I suppose the coach could evalutate you when you show up for your next practice session.
You could also ask him to evaluate you if you’re 5min early before you begin.
So i guess you made your point. I still don’t think that shadow boxing could correct most of the problems, and I have seen that myself. I don’t know about boxing, though. You only box, so you should probably learn to shadow box pretty quickly, of course.[/quote]
Yeah, I still box. I’m actually going to get certified to be a trainer once I finish undergrad and grad school. Unfortunately the closest I come to competing these days is sparring with some of the pros fighting out of my current gym.
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]silkyhorse wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]silkyhorse wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]silkyhorse wrote:
You have a good chance to develop bad habits through shadow boxing, too. You need a good trainer to see if you’re making any mistakes when shadow boxing. I can relate here, with experience from practice. I never shadow box if a trainer ain’t nearby, or a fellow MMA practitioner to judge me, and my boxing ain’t that bad.
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How long have you been boxing?[/quote]
I have been doing MMA for two years. My MMA gym also have a bigger focus on the stand-up game, so we work on our boxing a lot. We have national champions as coaches(they’re still active, too).
I’ve been boxing(sparring) with some muay thai and pro boxers in class, and probably thanks to my MMA gyms stand up training i could keep up pretty well, but i don’t want to say that i have the skills of an Golden Glove fighter(like you?).[/quote]
Lol, I quit competing before I was eligible to do Golden Gloves. I guess my username should be silvergloves instead.
After around 6 months to a year I’d say most should be able to shadowbox objectively. At that point they’ll know their fundamentals well enough to correct any problems with their stance, punching, or etc. and can use shadowboxing as a way to practice head movement as well as ring generalship[to some extent]. That and to make sure they don’t make any careless mistakes.[/quote]
That’s cool, but do you still box? or fight?
I have to agree to that you should be able to fix some problems with shadow boxing, and I suppose the coach could evalutate you when you show up for your next practice session.
You could also ask him to evaluate you if you’re 5min early before you begin.
So i guess you made your point. I still don’t think that shadow boxing could correct most of the problems, and I have seen that myself. I don’t know about boxing, though. You only box, so you should probably learn to shadow box pretty quickly, of course.[/quote]
Yeah, I still box. I’m actually going to get certified to be a trainer once I finish undergrad and grad school. Unfortunately the closest I come to competing these days is sparring with some of the pros fighting out of my current gym.
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Better than nothing. You’re not getting the ring experience, but it’s still experience and you’re sparring pros.
I am probably going to try out for MMA coaching in a couple of years.
I think for full strength full speed sparing for real fighting head gear is the most intellegent option. your refexes and timing get tuned to realistic levels of a real fight but you dont get injuries.
if your just doing technical sparing i never wear it because i find it uncomfortable but its up to the indivivual
[quote]Judas wrote:
I think for full strength full speed sparing for real fighting head gear is the most intelligent option. your reflexes and timing get tuned to realistic levels of a real fight but you don’t get injuries.
if your just doing technical sparring I never wear it because I find it uncomfortable but its up to the individual [/quote]
I do not believe that it is needed at all, even if you’re doing match sparring. You’re still going to take some heavy hits during a fight, and you’re never going 100% in sparring, even if you’re practising for an MMA fight, or Shootfight.
[quote]silkyhorse wrote:
…and you’re never going 100% in sparring, even if you’re practising for an MMA fight, or Shootfight.[/quote]
I disagree on that one. Also, I’d say “especially if you’re practising for an MMA fight”, not “even”. 100% sparring is IMHO more likely in standup-only styles than with MMA, for obvious reasons. Especially when it comes to boxing, we like to go rough from time to time (think 100% intensity).
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Oh and by the way, tell your brother he can only make fun of you when karate fighters find an answer for the jab. ;)[/quote]
I dont want to start a bash karate thing…but goddamn. While I was in Iraq my wife singned my kids up at a local ( my BJJ/Bando/MT school is about an hour drive from my house) school. Belt tests every other month…extra $25 each… sparring? Extra $45… “Private” lessons??? Extra…
And what they teach is an utter, total, complete fucking joke. Its all I can do NOT to pick a fight with some of thier “blackbelts”. My god. What have we become?
[quote]Valor wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Oh and by the way, tell your brother he can only make fun of you when karate fighters find an answer for the jab. ;)[/quote]
I dont want to start a bash karate thing…but goddamn. While I was in Iraq my wife singned my kids up at a local ( my BJJ/Bando/MT school is about an hour drive from my house) school. Belt tests every other month…extra $25 each… sparring? Extra $45… “Private” lessons??? Extra…
And what they teach is an utter, total, complete fucking joke. Its all I can do NOT to pick a fight with some of thier “blackbelts”. My god. What have we become?[/quote]
I know man. But remember, it’s not the style that does that… it’s the dojo. Karate is a terrific art that can be very effective for self defense… but these fucking leeches open up their mcdojos and rip people off… believe me, I feel your pain.
Mcdojos suck, and I joined one. Fortunately I got placed in a group where the instructors instructed as they wanted to. They were street fighters, so they pretty much understood what it meant to be in a fight. They let us spar, and gave us very useful information. We got useful techniques, and we actually developed our own techniques. They said something like this “If it works, we use it”.
EDIT: I trained in Bujinkan Taijutsu.
Sillyhorse, I am interested in what kind of techniques you developed?