Headgear While Sparring?

Who here uses it and who doesn’t?

I have always used it in the past but it is optional at my gym. It was required at the gym I used to go to so I guess I just kept it on as a habbit. I forgot it Saturday so I went w/out for the first time. I took one decent punch to the head and based off that I have to say it did not feel like the headgear I had worn in the past did anything to lessen the impact.

I was also able to see better and didn’t have to deal w tons of sweat building up in it and having to adjust it after getting hit. I know only taking one punch is not the best thing to base this off of but wanted to get some other opinions.
I spoke with someone who said all it really does is prevent cuts. Is that true?

I have always heard that the only thing it really does is stop cuts. Odds are it lessens a little bit of the blow, but just a little.

And I’ve never used it, but I don’t spar regularly, and having had that two-day headache numerous times, I’d say you might want to.

I use it, and have also sparred without it. I pretty much just use it for safety’s sake, and to keep from getting cuts. Never noticed a difference when using 16oz, and most won’t, it’s just physics.

I’m going to have to say that it does more than prevent cuts, it protects your head as well. That would be like saying wearing boxing gloves just prevents your hands from getting cut. I usually just use the ones at the gym, but after recently watching Anderson Silva sparring with the Windy Face Saver head gear, I might want to get one like that as well so I don’t have to get a broken nose while I’m sparring at the gym.

It seems like all the top pros wear head gear when sparring, at least in boxing. A guy at my gym said “We’re gonna have to take away your man card” when I wore mine and no one else was, but I was like "Fuck that, I have fractured cheek bone. I remember GSP and Rashad wearing head gear when they were sparring. All boxers wear them like Pacquiao, Mayweather, Marquez, Roy Jones, the list goes on. I am going to emulate the way WORLD CHAMPIONS train as best that I can. I don’t care what random people even if they are professional fighters say to me.

I fucking hate headgear. With a passion. It’s annoying, uncomfortable and it gets hot as hell. But as has been pointed out to me, when it comes fight night (at least in amateur boxing), you have to wear it anyway, so may as well get used to it.

Personally though, I still try to avoid it.

Let’s be honest. While wearing headgear is probably a good idea, it really doesn’t do a lot to protect your brain. The concussive force still transfers. Granted it is transfered over a wider area, the same idea as a boxing glove vs. bare knuckle, but really the power remains. It won’t save your brain, but it’ll protect your bones and good looks.

Both the first and last link have links within confirming my aforementioned statements.

I’ve sparred both with and without it. I’ll agree with others who said that it not going to do much to save your brain. It does distribute the force over a larger area (like beershoes mentions above), but just like with gloves, people tend to throw harder punches when using it than they do when not using it. So the force experienced is likely just as much if not more than if you weren’t wearing it. This might partly be due to believing that the headgear is protecting the training partner’s brain, but it’s also due to the fact that they have less danger of hurting their hand at contact as well.

For instance take two boxers and have them spar bare knuckle. You probably won’t see too many (more like any) full power punches thrown to the head (maybe some to the body, but even then probably not). Now have them put on gloves and you’ll see them throw much harder punches. Now have them put on headgear and they’ll throw yet harder (and more of them) punches.

It does prevent cuts though and depending on the style can also prevent damage to the nose and other facial structures.

The point sento brings up about boxers without gloves interests me. I’m actually slightly concerned that as I get more and more experienced in boxing, one day I’ll be in a barfight and I’ll sock the guy in the jaw, but in doing so, I’ll break my hand.

My brother who does Krotty is always giving me shit about how “you boxers don’t condition you knuckles, so while you hit hard, you break your hand when you dont have it taped and gloved up” I always pass it off as bullshit putdowns on his part, but I’ll admit it does have me concerned a bit. Maybe it’s time to introduce some Krotty Makiwara boards? :stuck_out_tongue:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
The point sento brings up about boxers without gloves interests me. I’m actually slightly concerned that as I get more and more experienced in boxing, one day I’ll be in a barfight and I’ll sock the guy in the jaw, but in doing so, I’ll break my hand.

My brother who does Krotty is always giving me shit about how “you boxers don’t condition you knuckles, so while you hit hard, you break your hand when you dont have it taped and gloved up” I always pass it off as bullshit putdowns on his part, but I’ll admit it does have me concerned a bit. Maybe it’s time to introduce some Krotty Makiwara boards? :P[/quote]

I’d say that’s patently false, unless you’ve very brittle hands.

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
The point sento brings up about boxers without gloves interests me. I’m actually slightly concerned that as I get more and more experienced in boxing, one day I’ll be in a barfight and I’ll sock the guy in the jaw, but in doing so, I’ll break my hand.

My brother who does Krotty is always giving me shit about how “you boxers don’t condition you knuckles, so while you hit hard, you break your hand when you dont have it taped and gloved up” I always pass it off as bullshit putdowns on his part, but I’ll admit it does have me concerned a bit. Maybe it’s time to introduce some Krotty Makiwara boards? :P[/quote]

Well, from the standpoint of a guy who’s done karate for years, then switched to boxing in the last couple, there are certainly differences in the way they teach you to hit.

In Karate, your power comes from rotation of the hips. The feet are often pegged to the ground, and as a consequence, you’re not getting the full power that comes with the shifting of all your weight.

While this makes for a weaker punch, it’s probably safer for your hands. In boxing, when you commit to a hook or straight right, you’re putting all your weight behind it, and bringing far more force to bear than your hand can handle. Hence the “wrapping” and “gloves.”

On top of that, when you’re boxing, your hands are loose. Most guys don’t even clench down hard until they’re about to make contact, and the more you get used to wearing gloves, the more I could see someone hitting with a loose fist and breaking it. Your hands are loose when shadowboxing, they’re loose when hitting the speed bag, etc… hell, the only time you really ball your fist (as much as you’re allowed to with gloves on) is hitting the heavy bag and sparring.

Odds are, when you first started, your trainer even said something to the effect of “Don’t fight with clenched fists,” meaning don’t waste energy. So this is kind of ingrained in the boxer’s psyche. For this reason, I try to hit the heavy bag a little with no gloves and no wraps. Not alot, and not timed - just a couple strong combinations that shake the bag and make me force myself to really keep my hands tight, and make sure my wrist is properly aligned. It took me a while to get to the point where I wasn’t rolling my wrist… but even then, a couple times I’ve felt pain in the bones leading to my knuckles, where the so-called boxer’s fracture happens. You gotta be careful.

Honestly, unless you’re one of the guys that truly takes Karate deadly seriously and trains hard every day for years while conditioning your knuckles, you’re not going to have the bricks on your hands that the karate guys will talk about. It’s possible, of course, but takes a level of dedication that not everyone has. So really, “conditioning” your knuckles doesn’t count for much. Hell, I’ve done pushups on my knuckles on cement every day for years. I got callouses on them, but when I punched a wall, my knuckle broke. Go figure.

There’s a reason that open hand strikes were invented- so you don’t bust your hand. Learn some of them… they’re easy as hell to learn and could do well to save your ass. A good rule of thumb is to hit a hard target (skull) with a soft blow (palm heel) and a soft target (stomach) with a hard blow (punch with your fist). This will keep you from shattering your hand, as has happened to many boxers in streetfights in the past.

Also, make sure that you practice once in a while like you’re in a streetfight. Punch hard with a solidly closed fist, hit the bag with a closed fist, and see how it feels. Get used to it, so that if some shit goes down, you won’t end up with your hand in a cast.

Oh and by the way, tell your brother he can only make fun of you when karate fighters find an answer for the jab. :wink:

I always use headgear while sparring. You fight (as an amateur) with them, so why not practice like you play? I think it does alot to distribute the force of a hook, but not a straight punch. It probably makes your head movement a little faster if you spar with it (as the pros do) but then again they probably use it for safety while preparing for a fight and not any fringe benefit like that head movement I mentioned. I also wrestled alot, so I’m not as averse to headgear contraptions as some people. Just my 2 cents.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Honestly, unless you’re one of the guys that truly takes Karate deadly seriously and trains hard every day for years while conditioning your knuckles, you’re not going to have the bricks on your hands that the karate guys will talk about. It’s possible, of course, but takes a level of dedication that not everyone has. So really, “conditioning” your knuckles doesn’t count for much. Hell, I’ve done pushups on my knuckles on cement every day for years. I got callouses on them, but when I punched a wall, my knuckle broke. Go figure.
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Damn, there goes my dream of being able to fuck up those pesky brick walls.

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Honestly, unless you’re one of the guys that truly takes Karate deadly seriously and trains hard every day for years while conditioning your knuckles, you’re not going to have the bricks on your hands that the karate guys will talk about. It’s possible, of course, but takes a level of dedication that not everyone has. So really, “conditioning” your knuckles doesn’t count for much. Hell, I’ve done pushups on my knuckles on cement every day for years. I got callouses on them, but when I punched a wall, my knuckle broke. Go figure.
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Damn, there goes my dream of being able to fuck up those pesky brick walls.[/quote]

Save your fists, use your head.

I’ve sparred with it and without it. I feel like it does lessen the blow a little and prevent cuts. I personally like sparring with no headgear or mouthpiece, I feel so much more free and comfortable.

I did some light sparing last night and once again did not use my headgear. Honestly I just feel much more comfortable without it. I also noticed I held my hands a bit higher and had more head movement just bc I did not want to get knocked out a day after posting this. If I do decide that I am going to fight I will go back to using it since I will have to use it in the fight but for now (or at least until I take a real hard shot that rocks me) I am going to go w/out.

Genocide_General: no mouthpiece? that is f’ing hardcore…

Headgear can lessen the impact of punches but it’s primarily to stop cuts, swelling, etc. .

Despite my earlier comments, I’m going to play devil’s advocate here and say, if you’re an amateur boxer and you have a fight coming (even if it’s a good month or two away), use headgear and use it constantly.

If you get a cut from training, it will get opened up in the fight and if it bleeds down your face, no matter how small the stream, they will stop the fight. And that’s if the doctor clears you to fight. He probably won’t if your sporting a nasty cut above your eyes.

I personally don’t use headgear during light sparring and timing drills. It helps you really get an idea for head movement and defense. BUT if I am doing hard sparring and/or getting ready for a competition…headgear it is.

My first year or so of training,I never uesed headgear. Then I made the mistake of waiting to train with headgear the week before my first competition. So when it did come fight time,my vision,timing,etc was a little off because I was not accustomed to wearing it.

To follow up Aussie Davo,the pro’s(muay thai,boxing,mma,etc) most likely wear headgear so they don’t get cuts that can re-open. But I have seen were they do not use headgear during light sparring…since they will not be wearing headgear when competing. Just my two cents.

And G_G,how much more comfortable will you be when you end smiling through your bottom lip?..lol. You must only do this during light sparring/timing.

No mouthpiece? Well, sooner or later, and it WILL happen, you are going to chip or lose a tooth, or teeth. It is like not wearing a cup…sooner or later, you ARE going to catch a wicked low blow that could result in horrible consequences. Headgear, not nearly as important as a mouthpiece or cup. And Gen Gen, bro, just buy a custom fitted mouthpiece, or go to your dentist (before you HAVE to go) and tell him you clench your jaws at night. They will hook you up with a mad mouthpiece that you can stick in your mouf and have a regular conversation, like it isn’t even there. You can breathe, and best of all, it doesn’t fall out. It simply cinches onto your teeth and stays there. I want to punch you so hard in the face right now…and then up kick you in the groin. Then fill your headgear with cream cheese and have my way with it. A good ole fashioned skull fucking.