[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Since Human chorionic gonadotrophin is extracted from the urine of pregnant women, it should not actually be present in the serum of healthy males. Or am I missing something?
Bushy[/quote]
This is a complete hijack, but, being a business man, I’ve always wondered about the actual production conditions of HCG. Is there a factory somewhere with hundreds of women with big stomachs drinking tons of water and peeing into cups? How do they find these women? Classified ads?
I Can Attest! I did this protocol about 7 months ago and it totally works, No BS!!! I lost 1lb everyday for 30 days!!!
This protocol did not make me loose muscle, only fat!!!(Maybe because I was still training) It works by signaling the hypothalamus gland to release abnormally stored fat!!
It seems that the HCG in combination with certain foods in a restricted calorie range have a particular chemical reaction in the body allowing this protocol to work!!!
500 calories, Lots of energy, no abnormal hunger cravings, and I was still able to train hard!!! Futhermore, afterwards my cholesterol and BP levels were better than before I started!
Also, I have 2 friends who have had better results than I did from this method!!!
The thing to remember is, there are 3 different kinds of fat on the body, structural fat around the joints, normal fat reserves throughout the body, and abnormal fat reserves!! This protocol rids the body of the abnormal fat storages!
Those of you who are interested in learning about it, you can do a search on Dr, A.T.W. Simeons M.D. He is the actual finder of this protocol. You can also get a copy of Kevin Trudeau’s book, “The Weight Loss Cure Protocol They dont Want You To Know About”.
Jazz
[quote]Jazz_Man1898 wrote:
I Can Attest! I did this protocol about 7 months ago and it totally works, No BS!!! I lost 1lb everyday for 30 days!!!
This protocol did not make me loose muscle, only fat!!!(Maybe because I was still training) It works by signaling the hypothalamus gland to release abnormally stored fat!!
It seems that the HCG in combination with certain foods in a restricted calorie range have a particular chemical reaction in the body allowing this protocol to work!!!
500 calories, Lots of energy, no abnormal hunger cravings, and I was still able to train hard!!! Futhermore, afterwards my cholesterol and BP levels were better than before I started!
Also, I have 2 friends who have had better results than I did from this method!!!
The thing to remember is, there are 3 different kinds of fat on the body, structural fat around the joints, normal fat reserves throughout the body, and abnormal fat reserves!! This protocol rids the body of the abnormal fat storages!
Those of you who are interested in learning about it, you can do a search on Dr, A.T.W. Simeons M.D. He is the actual finder of this protocol. You can also get a copy of Kevin Trudeau’s book, “The Weight Loss Cure Protocol They dont Want You To Know About”.
Jazz[/quote]
So you lost a pound everyday for a month and are still at an 18% bodyfat… that’s kind of pathetic for one of two reasons-- one being you must have been a slovenly loser to begin with, or two, you apparently have no clue how to properly manage diet or training seeing how you believe in “crash diets” such as this one.
Also, let’s examine some of your other postings… thinking AAS will give you that “bicep vein” as you put it in “Vascularity and Gear” or shall we examine your mediocre lifts and physique in “Am I Ready?” At least have some credibility before you try and convince other people to take part in the same stupidity as you.
HCG more than likely had no effect on the fact you lost so much weight. It was more something along the lines of you ate around a fifth of what my 110 pound girlfriend eats a day. Plenty of energy? Bullshit, unless you were hopped on some fucking cocaine.
I’m going to take your post like all of your others and call you a shit disturber. The only reason I wasted the time to set the record straight regarding your lack of knowledge is so that a newbie doesn’t waste his time, money, and effort on the idiocy you preach.
World
hey guys…another foot note…the goofball KEVIN T claims in the book…you can eat 500 calories and not feel hungry because…ready for this…HCG forces your body…to RELEASE FROM (his words) TROUBLE ,STUNBORN FAT AREAS…OVER 2000 CALORIES FROM FAT STORES…LOL
*he just got arrested again for false claims
and his website sold & stole credit card info
Wow, you guys are amazing!! World, how would you know that this method doesnt work? Have you tried it? Do you have any experience taking HCG as part of any weightloss method? Better yet, have you done any research to prove your arguement? Isnt this what you preach to all the newbies, “research and then post questions and statements” I tried it and it worked, end of story!!!
As far as my previous posts. I asked qustions and did not make assumptions!! I never said I thought that AAS would give you vascularity, I asked if it would!! And the reason I did was because so many other “smart people” or so called “Vets” suggested it would and i wanted the truth!!
You speak of credibility, where is yours? You know absolutely nothing about me nor my intelligence level!! Nor do you know as much as you think you know about HCG! I researced HCG for 2 years before I did the protocol! Its been used in this way in millions of people accross the world since the 1950s and has been 100% effective! But you should know that right, i mean you did do some serious research on HCG before you posted your reply right?!
As far as my bf%, how do you know I wasnt 385lbs while doing this protocol and was at 35% bf? If this was the case then 18% bf would be a great improvement!! This whole forum is full of people saying they tried stuff and it works! Ive even seem some replys that said, “that sounds good, let me know how it comes out because it sound like something I want to try”. Ive heard this from so called “vets” Even your reply says “hcg MORE THAN LIKELY had not affect in my weight loss”!!! That staement doesnt seem researched to me!!!
One guy was in the 2nd week of his first cycle and posting responses like he had been doin AAS for years!!
I believe that some of you guys have gotten so “smart” that you are naive!!! I posted a question about a Primo Depot Vs Test E beginner cycle because of what I had researhed about Primo Depot! Hell, even the info in the newbie thread suggests that Primo is a safer compound than Test!
And brainwashed bushy? Why because i believe what I do because ive researched and tried something and it worked? Isnt that the same thing you all are doing, giving information off what you have researched and tried?
Its funny a thread was started about what to do about all the “dumb newbie posts”. This is the very reason why so many questions get asked because most of the so called “vets” disagree on information! And the fact that they jump on each others cock everytime something is said, true or not!! That comes from high dosages of Test I guess!!
And I was not suggesting that anyone do this protocol. A question was asked and I answered because I had done the protocol and It worked for me! Just like you guys, telling people what cycles you did and what worked for you! Now if asked, i would advocate it but thats not at all what I was saying previously!!!
Jazz
Just wanted to say that what i said above does not apply to everyone!! Some of you have been absolutely great in regards to answering questions and being extremely patient with the newbies!!
I want to be on record saying that I appreciate all the help and advice given on here by these people!! You know who you are!!
Some of the so called “vets” have even been helpful, despite their arrogance and ignorance!! To me, it just doesnt help to post about how dumb someone is!! That is totally counter productive and useless!!!
Jazz
IVE researched this so called protocall greatly…for over 2 weeks straight…and the
DR. who started it all mr.simmons…cleary states it did not work with most(and the FDA shut it down)…and some real bad side affects…there theory of tricking your body into thinking its ‘pregnant’(males get pregnant ?) and is very laughible…and in doing this the HCG forces the (his words) release of over 2,000 calories a day from TROUBLE & STUBBORN FAT AREAS…and in doing this feeds the baby though the fetis…umm…hows your fetus SIR ?
KEVIN TRUDEAU is a joke…a scum bag…a 3x felon…and a con man…as is his book
The FDA also says that steroids are bad with real bad side effects, regardless of their initial disapproval of them becoming a scheduled drug!!!
The cases that were presented in the FDAs favor about this protocol were manipulated. Dosages were incorrect, exact diet was not followed, and it was administered in patients who were sick already!
As far as Kevin Trudeau, he may be a felon and was arrested for his advocation of this method, but so was Daniel Duchiane. He is still one of the most respected people for his knowlege of AAS usage and his book!
Finally, this method does not trick the male body into believing its pregnant! Actually, the small amount of HCG used in this protocol is nothing compared to the amount in the females body while pregnant!
It only aids in the “normalization” process of re-activating the hypothalalum to its normal state!
oh …yes the book even claims that…about the release of HCG & energy from trouble fat stores in the ammount of 2000 calories.(if the body thinks its prgant)…you
DAN d is a geniouse…yes…KT is a a low life…learn your facts…he stole peoples info from his members only website about HCG
he sold all info…made people call a LONG DISTANCE # to TRY to cancel there membership
every item in his book he 100% got paid to endorse…and he added all them products to make $$,because he does not own the protocal DR. simminons does…so he cant make no $$
I have a ? your male right ?? if so…hows your fetus ? hmm…sometimes when Im board…I go on the message boards to watch ther brain washed wack jobs talk…claiming 30 lbs in 30 days…22 lbs in 19 days…but yet its not the main stream…lol and they double watch roid users pay for HCG…lol to funny
Bushy, I respect you for your input, even on my and other people’s posts! And yes i agree that 100% effective is an unreasonable claim for anyone to make! I personally have not counted so I can only go by what the research Ive done has shown!!
However, this does not mean that the method is in anyway uneffective! Plus writing an essay would do nothing more that what Kevin Trudeau has already done! Why would you belive my results over his?
He has carefully outlined his results and has before and after pictures from when he did the protocol! Check his out if you want to know more!
And i do belive that a “basic grasp of physiology, endocrinology, nutrition, etc” does give you a basis to make some arguements from! However, a basic knowlege of these can not completely give an understanding to all the ramifications of such compounds as HCG!
Be that as it may, maybe this basis is something that should be suggested and taught on the newbie threads by the people that have it! Maybe that will cut down on all the “dumb” posts!!!
Fight, you are amusing me!! I know that KT doesnt have a clean record!!! Ive read some claims against him you wouldnt believe!
Its all about $$$ people!! Lets say, for the sake of the arguement, this method is the absolute cure for obesity! Masses of people would be taking it, people would be healthier, eating less, and consuming less resourses!!
The goverment would lose billions of dollars! You think they are gonna stand by and watch their money leave their pockets? So why not go after the person or people who could possibly casue this to happen like KT, make an example out of him to scare any and everyone else who would try to do anything similar!
I honestly dont even care if he went to jail for rape, murder or an illegal chicken fight? My interest was in wheather or not there was some truth to this method!
[quote]Jazz_Man1898 wrote:
Fight, you are amusing me!! I know that KT doesnt have a clean record!!! Ive read some claims against him you wouldnt believe!
Its all about $$$ people!! Lets say, for the sake of the arguement, this method is the absolute cure for obesity! Masses of people would be taking it, people would be healthier, eating less, and consuming less resourses!!
The goverment would lose billions of dollars! You think they are gonna stand by and watch their money leave their pockets? So why not go after the person or people who could possibly casue this to happen like KT, make an example out of him to scare any and everyone else who would try to do anything similar!
I honestly dont even care if he went to jail for rape, murder or an illegal chicken fight? My interest was in wheather or not there was some truth to this method![/quote]
No, if it actually worked, the government would appropriate it and make tons of money. Also saving money on the billions wasted in this country brought about by bad health and lifestyle diseases.
[quote]Jazz_Man1898 wrote:
Bushy, I respect you for your input, even on my and other people’s posts! And yes i agree that 100% effective is an unreasonable claim for anyone to make! I personally have not counted so I can only go by what the research Ive done has shown!!
However, this does not mean that the method is in anyway uneffective! Plus writing an essay would do nothing more that what Kevin Trudeau has already done! Why would you belive my results over his?
He has carefully outlined his results and has before and after pictures from when he did the protocol! Check his out if you want to know more!
And i do belive that a “basic grasp of physiology, endocrinology, nutrition, etc” does give you a basis to make some arguements from! However, a basic knowlege of these can not completely give an understanding to all the ramifications of such compounds as HCG!
Be that as it may, maybe this basis is something that should be suggested and taught on the newbie threads by the people that have it! Maybe that will cut down on all the “dumb” posts!!![/quote]
Unless body composition was verified by DEXA scan and there was little to no muscle loss, all this ‘proof’ means nothing. This kind of weight loss is to be expected from this approach without any HCG at all.
Bushy had it right:
BRAINWASHED!!!
At 500kcal a day anyone, and I do mean anyone, will lose weight. And the extreme ketosis you were in could probably produce a very nice amount of ketones for energy.
I’m not gonna call you a wackjob, I dunno shit less about HCG except that its made by women for women if you get my drift…
Things that sound to good to be true probably are.
Of course you can cure my skepticism and I’m sure everyone else’s by simply showing some before and afters of your protocol, I have no doubt you took pictures if you really followed that protocol.
And please don’t bother telling me you don’t own a camera or you “really weren’t concerned with what you looked like”.
Horseshit, pictures please.
I disagree jsbrook! The wasted money you speak of goes directly into their pockets so its not a waste for them!! If they appropriate it then they would start loosing money in about 5-10 years after virtually everyone uses it because of the inexpensive cost of HCG!
Its a bigger profit for them in the long run to keep people fat, unhealthy, sick and consuming more resousces!
You are right about one thing, following the protocol without HCG will make you loose weight. However, as with most diets you will only be loosing “valuable” weight ie. muscle and needed fat! The body has a weight set point which the body will quickly try to recover to causing the diet in the long run to be useless!
[quote]Jazz_Man1898 wrote:
I disagree jsbrook! The wasted money you speak of goes directly into their pockets so its not a waste for them!! If they appropriate it then they would start loosing money in about 5-10 years after virtually everyone uses it because of the inexpensive cost of HCG!
Its a bigger profit for them in the long run to keep people fat, unhealthy, sick and consuming more resousces!
You are right about one thing, following the protocol without HCG will make you loose weight. However, as with most diets you will only be loosing “valuable” weight ie. muscle and needed fat! The body has a weight set point which the body will quickly try to recover to causing the diet in the long run to be useless!
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Can you say conspiracy theorist?! It’s not in the government’s best interests to keep people fat and unhealthy! They are not making money from this! The drug companies and the diet industry is a different story! The profit they make does not go to government officials!! As far as HCG making the difference, there’s been no appreciable evidence that you only fat is lost and not muscle! You’re certainly a bit brainwashed!!!