Can someone explain the terms re: benching with "shirt,“raw” and the “board.”
And yes, I’m working on finding that full-page article about the 600lb bench by the high school dude, so hold your jabs until I find it.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
That last video is known to be fake. If I remember correctly he posted as much on that video when he uploaded it, said he was just messing around or something along those lines.[/quote]
I’m pretty doubtful of the middle video as well. The first one obviously looks legit. The middle guy doesn’t look like he’s got the size to move it, and certainly not for that many reps, nor with that level of ease.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]admbaum wrote:
fellas…google youtube raw bench press…you’ll find many like this one
WTF is this though?
If those are 45#'ers I got 585lbs…could be wrong
those cant be 45#plates[/quote]
If those are real 45 plates I’m an iguana.[/quote]
That last video is known to be fake. If I remember correctly he posted as much on that video when he uploaded it, said he was just messing around or something along those lines.[/quote]
This was at the Arnold either last year or the year before. There was a huge line to get to this thing – they were fake plates. I don’t even think entire bar + fake plates weighed 60 pounds because I saw a short, petite asian lady put it up.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
I’ve never seen 400 pounds but I guess that could be because of my age, the people I train with and lack of public training.
I’ve been looking for that article by some experienced guy who claimed that 300 benches are somewhat rare and that during his history of training, he has seen few legit 400 pound benches, some of which were by gear users.[/quote]
Although I wish that were true, it’s BS. I consider myself a shitty bencher. I’m not built for it (long arms, ex basketball player), but I can close grip 340 or so and I’m clean and hell, I’m 45 now (hard to believe - I don’t feel it). If I can do that clean with my shitty leverages, 300 is anything but “rare”.
[quote]saveski wrote:
Can someone explain the terms re: benching with "shirt,“raw” and the “board.”
And yes, I’m working on finding that full-page article about the 600lb bench by the high school dude, so hold your jabs until I find it.[/quote]
A bench shirt is powerlifting related gear. It’s a very tight shirt made of denim, canvass or polyester. The various materials can be reinforced with multiple plys depending on the fed lifted in and what is allowed. The shirt provides extreme tightness thru the shoulders and chest and provides stability and some stored energy at the bottom of the lift where the bar rests on the chest. Bottom line: a bench shirt adds pounds to a bench press.
A raw bench is without any gear.
Board? If you’re referring to “board press”, that’s a bench press that’s performed by bringing the bar into contact with a board situated upon your chest that varies in thickness thus allowing the lifter to train thru various range of motion (1 board, 2 board, so forth). Some lifters will train board presses wearing bench shirts.
As for the newspaper article, I would view the same to be spurious even if you could produce it. Fantastic claims (and the claim you make is fantastic) demand proof. A newspaper article is not proof of the alleged lift. A writer can interview me and I can claim a 500lb bench and unless he witnesses it and verifies the weight on the bar, it’s just a “claim” that has been reported. I think I’d be everything I own that no high school kid weighing that little has ever benched 600, unless of course his spotters were upright rowing 250 of it.
Everyone check out this link, it has the world (I think, it maybe US record) record for raw bench pressing for each weight class. There is NO way in hell some HIGH SCHOOL KID ever benched 600 lb at 175 lb.
Sorry forgot the link,
www.powerliftingwatch.com/records/raw-bench-press
All this thread has done is reinforce the following beliefs:
- The world is full of gullible people
- Most people, even those who supposedly lift, don’t know much about heavy weights
Mix 1 with 2 and you get about half the posts in this thread.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Where at?[/quote]
Celli’s Fitness Center, Pittsburgh, PA
Come in on Monday evening and there will probably be 3-4 guys who go up to 405 before putting their shirts on.
[quote]saveski wrote:
High school. Guy who was one year ahead of me at St. Mary’s Prep in Orchard Lake MI. Kevin “KC” Clouse. I believe he was 5’7" and weighed 175. He bent the bars in the gym and I believe he did 600 pounds+ because I remember that he benched 3.5 times his bodyweight. This was 1983, maybe earlier, and I remember that there were 6 big plates on each side along with 4 of the biggest dudes in the school spotting him. (OLSM was and still is a real “jock” school, producing many All-Americans for a school that had only 250 guys.) This was his bench, not his squat.
There was an entire page about KC in the Detroit Free Press (or the News) about how he was one of the strongest guys in the world at that time pound-for-pound.
I really wish I had saved that newspaper because I’m sure a lot of people won’t believe this.[/quote]
I’m from the area, and have heard the stories about him, even though I’m still a senior in HS. I believe your facts are a bit misconstrued though, the storys I’ve heard was that it was around 440 Raw and pushing the mid 500s with a benching shirt and all.
As for the most I’ve ever seen in real life, Raw was probably Mike Martin who now plays for U of M as a D-Tackle benching 465 his senior year of highschool raw. Even though he was around 6’3 275ish with very low body fat, it was still impressive.
And for those who say that 400 is impossible for a 175 highschool kid, keep in mind that most kid’s my age are all upper body. I put up 300 a few days after my 16th birthday at around 180, (granted my upper body was hugely disprportionate), and I was nowhere near the strongest kid in my school. Several Kids under 220 were pushing the upper 300s and low 400s on my football team, so I think it’s defiantly possible to have some freak 175er’s bench 400. Not something you see everyday, but not impossible
I saw some pretty impressive lifts at the APA central florida open back in '06. I saw a guy miss a bench at 820, but only because he couldn’t lock out… the cat was friggin hyooge.
[quote]VerbalHologram wrote:
[quote]saveski wrote:
High school. Guy who was one year ahead of me at St. Mary’s Prep in Orchard Lake MI. Kevin “KC” Clouse. I believe he was 5’7" and weighed 175. He bent the bars in the gym and I believe he did 600 pounds+ because I remember that he benched 3.5 times his bodyweight. This was 1983, maybe earlier, and I remember that there were 6 big plates on each side along with 4 of the biggest dudes in the school spotting him. (OLSM was and still is a real “jock” school, producing many All-Americans for a school that had only 250 guys.) This was his bench, not his squat.
There was an entire page about KC in the Detroit Free Press (or the News) about how he was one of the strongest guys in the world at that time pound-for-pound.
I really wish I had saved that newspaper because I’m sure a lot of people won’t believe this.[/quote]
I’m from the area, and have heard the stories about him, even though I’m still a senior in HS. I believe your facts are a bit misconstrued though, the storys I’ve heard was that it was around 440 Raw and pushing the mid 500s with a benching shirt and all.
As for the most I’ve ever seen in real life, Raw was probably Mike Martin who now plays for U of M as a D-Tackle benching 465 his senior year of highschool raw. Even though he was around 6’3 275ish with very low body fat, it was still impressive.
And for those who say that 400 is impossible for a 175 highschool kid, keep in mind that most kid’s my age are all upper body. I put up 300 a few days after my 16th birthday at around 180, (granted my upper body was hugely disprportionate), and I was nowhere near the strongest kid in my school. Several Kids under 220 were pushing the upper 300s and low 400s on my football team, so I think it’s defiantly possible to have some freak 175er’s bench 400. Not something you see everyday, but not impossible
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Im still a skeptic, especially when I see high school boys claiming heavy weight like that. I can believe the 6’3 275 pounder. When I was in high school the whole football team claimed 300+ bench presses, yet when you witnessed it, there were 3 spotters helping the player in question pull the weight up while screaming “its all you”. There was this one football player that claimed to squat 455 pounds, yet when I actually saw it, he only went less than a quarter of the way down. Yet on the board it said he could squat 455 pounds. I can definitely believe a 175 pound guy benching 400, but its hard to picture a hs kid benching 400 at that weight.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
[quote]VerbalHologram wrote:
[quote]saveski wrote:
High school. Guy who was one year ahead of me at St. Mary’s Prep in Orchard Lake MI. Kevin “KC” Clouse. I believe he was 5’7" and weighed 175. He bent the bars in the gym and I believe he did 600 pounds+ because I remember that he benched 3.5 times his bodyweight. This was 1983, maybe earlier, and I remember that there were 6 big plates on each side along with 4 of the biggest dudes in the school spotting him. (OLSM was and still is a real “jock” school, producing many All-Americans for a school that had only 250 guys.) This was his bench, not his squat.
There was an entire page about KC in the Detroit Free Press (or the News) about how he was one of the strongest guys in the world at that time pound-for-pound.
I really wish I had saved that newspaper because I’m sure a lot of people won’t believe this.[/quote]
I’m from the area, and have heard the stories about him, even though I’m still a senior in HS. I believe your facts are a bit misconstrued though, the storys I’ve heard was that it was around 440 Raw and pushing the mid 500s with a benching shirt and all.
As for the most I’ve ever seen in real life, Raw was probably Mike Martin who now plays for U of M as a D-Tackle benching 465 his senior year of highschool raw. Even though he was around 6’3 275ish with very low body fat, it was still impressive.
And for those who say that 400 is impossible for a 175 highschool kid, keep in mind that most kid’s my age are all upper body. I put up 300 a few days after my 16th birthday at around 180, (granted my upper body was hugely disprportionate), and I was nowhere near the strongest kid in my school. Several Kids under 220 were pushing the upper 300s and low 400s on my football team, so I think it’s defiantly possible to have some freak 175er’s bench 400. Not something you see everyday, but not impossible
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Im still a skeptic, especially when I see high school boys claiming heavy weight like that. I can believe the 6’3 275 pounder. When I was in high school the whole football team claimed 300+ bench presses, yet when you witnessed it, there were 3 spotters helping the player in question pull the weight up while screaming “its all you”. There was this one football player that claimed to squat 455 pounds, yet when I actually saw it, he only went less than a quarter of the way down. Yet on the board it said he could squat 455 pounds. I can definitely believe a 175 pound guy benching 400, but its hard to picture a hs kid benching 400 at that weight.[/quote]
First off, I don’t blame you for doubting my claim, but I can assure you I did. Here are a few pics and i think the Numbers I claim are actually reasonable for the way I look. Forums - T Nation - The World's Trusted Community for Elite Fitness
On another note the HS I go to, espeically the football team is known for rampart steroid use. If you follow Michigan Hs football at all you can most likely guess where I go to school, but safe to say there were 4 legit 400 Benchers on the team, with me and around 6-7 other guys putting up 300+, with correct form and raw.
While none of the 400ers were even below 235, I really think that while extremely rare, it is not impossible to bench 400+ at 175 as a teenager, especially if they are on gear, and upper body dominated. Of course these kids only come around once every couple years for each s tate, which is why he was in the paper and not just some average guy. Call me gullible or a blind optimist, but I certianly think it is possible that one HS’er ever has done that weight at that bodyweight.
[quote]VerbalHologram wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
[quote]VerbalHologram wrote:
[quote]saveski wrote:
High school. Guy who was one year ahead of me at St. Mary’s Prep in Orchard Lake MI. Kevin “KC” Clouse. I believe he was 5’7" and weighed 175. He bent the bars in the gym and I believe he did 600 pounds+ because I remember that he benched 3.5 times his bodyweight.
This was 1983, maybe earlier, and I remember that there were 6 big plates on each side along with 4 of the biggest dudes in the school spotting him. (OLSM was and still is a real “jock” school, producing many All-Americans for a school that had only 250 guys.) This was his bench, not his squat.
There was an entire page about KC in the Detroit Free Press (or the News) about how he was one of the strongest guys in the world at that time pound-for-pound.
I really wish I had saved that newspaper because I’m sure a lot of people won’t believe this.[/quote]
I’m from the area, and have heard the stories about him, even though I’m still a senior in HS. I believe your facts are a bit misconstrued though, the storys I’ve heard was that it was around 440 Raw and pushing the mid 500s with a benching shirt and all.
As for the most I’ve ever seen in real life, Raw was probably Mike Martin who now plays for U of M as a D-Tackle benching 465 his senior year of highschool raw. Even though he was around 6’3 275ish with very low body fat, it was still impressive.
And for those who say that 400 is impossible for a 175 highschool kid, keep in mind that most kid’s my age are all upper body. I put up 300 a few days after my 16th birthday at around 180, (granted my upper body was hugely disprportionate), and I was nowhere near the strongest kid in my school.
Several Kids under 220 were pushing the upper 300s and low 400s on my football team, so I think it’s defiantly possible to have some freak 175er’s bench 400. Not something you see everyday, but not impossible
[/quote]
Im still a skeptic, especially when I see high school boys claiming heavy weight like that. I can believe the 6’3 275 pounder. When I was in high school the whole football team claimed 300+ bench presses, yet when you witnessed it, there were 3 spotters helping the player in question pull the weight up while screaming “its all you”.
There was this one football player that claimed to squat 455 pounds, yet when I actually saw it, he only went less than a quarter of the way down. Yet on the board it said he could squat 455 pounds. I can definitely believe a 175 pound guy benching 400, but its hard to picture a hs kid benching 400 at that weight.[/quote]
First off, I don’t blame you for doubting my claim, but I can assure you I did. Here are a few pics and i think the Numbers I claim are actually reasonable for the way I look. Forums - T Nation - The World's Trusted Community for Elite Fitness
On another note the HS I go to, espeically the football team is known for rampart steroid use. If you follow Michigan Hs football at all you can most likely guess where I go to school, but safe to say there were 4 legit 400 Benchers on the team, with me and around 6-7 other guys putting up 300+, with correct form and raw.
While none of the 400ers were even below 235, I really think that while extremely rare, it is not impossible to bench 400+ at 175 as a teenager, especially if they are on gear, and upper body dominated.
Of course these kids only come around once every couple years for each s tate, which is why he was in the paper and not just some average guy. Call me gullible or a blind optimist, but I certianly think it is possible that one HS’er ever has done that weight at that bodyweight.[/quote]
Well of course if they’re doing steroids. I mean naturally though.
Check the AAU 2009 Dec5-6 meet in Laughlin Nevada a 18 year old kid did a 400 Raw at the meet. Seen it, yes that can be done and he was under 200 but it’s not Normal. Hahahahaha
[quote]saveski wrote:
Can someone explain the terms re: benching with "shirt,“raw” and the “board.”
And yes, I’m working on finding that full-page article about the 600lb bench by the high school dude, so hold your jabs until I find it.[/quote]
Don’t bother, we all know it’s bullshit.
My roommate’s brother hit a 500lb raw bench at 180lbs. I think it was a state, national, and possibly world record at the time. Or maybe one of his other lifts was a world record. I have seen the bench though. Its pretty ridiculous.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
[quote]saveski wrote:
Can someone explain the terms re: benching with "shirt,“raw” and the “board.”
And yes, I’m working on finding that full-page article about the 600lb bench by the high school dude, so hold your jabs until I find it.[/quote]
Don’t bother, we all know it’s bullshit.[/quote]
Oh, yeah, I’m making the whole thing up so I can garner respect from you and maybe make a few friends and get laid.
Whatever the weight was it was sick-fucking-huge for a 175 punder and you’ll see a copy of it as soon as I find it. This wasn’t a 400 pound bench. So give me a week or 2 and come back here to apologize.
[quote]VerbalHologram wrote:
[quote]saveski wrote:
High school. Guy who was one year ahead of me at St. Mary’s Prep in Orchard Lake MI. Kevin “KC” Clouse. I believe he was 5’7" and weighed 175. He bent the bars in the gym and I believe he did 600 pounds+ because I remember that he benched 3.5 times his bodyweight. This was 1983, maybe earlier, and I remember that there were 6 big plates on each side along with 4 of the biggest dudes in the school spotting him. (OLSM was and still is a real “jock” school, producing many All-Americans for a school that had only 250 guys.) This was his bench, not his squat.
There was an entire page about KC in the Detroit Free Press (or the News) about how he was one of the strongest guys in the world at that time pound-for-pound.
I really wish I had saved that newspaper because I’m sure a lot of people won’t believe this.[/quote]
I’m from the area, and have heard the stories about him, even though I’m still a senior in HS. I believe your facts are a bit misconstrued though, the storys I’ve heard was that it was around 440 Raw and pushing the mid 500s with a benching shirt and all.
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One of the jocks that was there thinks it was 500 pounds and a TV crew was there. I’m waiting to hear back from KC’s brother (who’s the football coach at St. Mary’s) for a date of the article so I’ll stop posting until I have it.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
[quote]saveski wrote:
Can someone explain the terms re: benching with "shirt,“raw” and the “board.”
And yes, I’m working on finding that full-page article about the 600lb bench by the high school dude, so hold your jabs until I find it.[/quote]
Don’t bother, we all know it’s bullshit.[/quote]
Don’t be a hater. I certainly believe the greatest bench press of all time was accomplished by a high school-age 175lbs phenom that does not compete in meets because he has nothing to prove. Did I tell you about the guy whom my friend knows who deadlifted 1000lbs raw, lifetime drug free, at 165lbs bodyweight, 68 years old? He doesn’t compete either because there are no meets in his area. I’ll get my friends cousin’s email. He’s got a txt message saved from the man himself.