That part was cringe-worthy. What I found inconsistent was the author’s desire for women and men to get along and have healthy marriages but then speaks about game (manipulation) and virtual pornography. These ideas are totally antithetical to what I value.
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The biggest problem(s) I had with the piece is that a) the author wasn’t consistent with his values (which you just pointed out) and b) he would make statements without providing an actual explanation. The most obvious one being his reference to the decline of Detroit, Baltimore, and Cleveland. No mention of the cost of US steel. No mention of Japanese automotive companies completely disrupting the US auto industry. No mention of union labor costs in the UAW. Instead it was because, what, TV shows and single-motherhood? Um, come on Inman. For someone claiming feminists don’t understand economics he took a big ol shit on the economic facts here.
*And I can’t stand the Alpha/Beta stuff. That drives me nuts.
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Wow. Thank you for taking the time.
I think they’re a bit corny, especially when beta is used in a derogatory context, but I don’t mind using the them because I think they’re fitting. I rarely use the term, but when I have used beta, I simply used it to refer to men that aren’t influential, aren’t in a leadership position, not powerful, and don’t call the shots. I don’t consider it a slur. I am a Beta.
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I think the problem people have with it is that the definitions themselves infer superiority/inferiority.
is this domain specific or is it referring to people as a whole? I’d venture that individuals may not put as high a priority on their profession and be considered a beta, but an alpha at the ______ hobby.
I typically use ‘ambition’ there, but that may be a geographical thing.
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@anon50325502 Applause, applause.
Damn, lucky. I’m working, but really just sitting at my desk trying to find a new vehicle.
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Good lord dude.
that part is very cringe, a long with the Game section, but I think the point about the sex toys is that there will inevitably be many men that resort to this. We’re already seeing it with porn, and how a bit of Japanese culture has dealt with their sex, or lack thereof, problems.
The “ya gotta have Game” part is not wrong. You can master picking up women, but that’s something that comes naturally after many years of experience, but like he said with the internet people have tried to formulate all their ‘knowledge’ into a framework. “Game” for the most part is something that tends to work in your 20s, and begins to wane as women get older when they’re not so easily manipulated by someone pretending to be confident or playful in order to get their attention.
As for him flip flopping from the healthy perspective and picking up women… he can value one thing, but also mention another way men can overcome certain barriers. I don’t think he has to be one or the other.
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Aren’t you all of those things in your family, though?
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Completely agree. At which point, men should have also worked on their interests, behaviors, overall self and become interesting humans who can contribute to a healthy relationship.
EDIT: JBP gets at this a bit in the following video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54
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Yeah, and I don’t think the author is oblivious to that fact but since most of his audience is most likely to be in their early 20s it applies.
Of course being an older 30 something, 40 something year old man thinking about “game” is ridiculous.
@EmilyQ
I really don’t give a fuck to talk to you. We don’t have to converse , at all. You don’t have to engage with me, we’ve never had any real decent conversation, since all you do Is beat your chest cuz you think “look at me I was trailer trash but now I’m a suitable 50 year old woman”
I’ve heard this a lot from feminists when I tried to tell them that majority of men died horribly throughout history “well at least they weren’t sex slaves” uh huh ok. The entire point of the section is to show that men did have it pretty bad, and that it wasn’t men “oppressing women” but men protecting women from otherwise a brutal alternative which is getting taken, and yes rapped and killed by another tribe.
However, where democracy or a republic did exist did men and women have equal political rights? Probably no. In the Roman Republic, women had no political rights. Only landowners (men) could vote. In the Greek Democracy, women had no political rights either. Women could not vote in the US until 1920. So, sorry, I don’t buy the notion that men and women have had equal political rights throughout history.
That’s one example. Did women have the same property rights as men in early US history? No.
In summary, the author claims that he doesn’t substantiate and then he points to modern times, “Even today, out of 200 sovereign states, there are exactly zero that have a different class of voting rights to men and women.” Women didn’t gain the right to vote in Saudi Arabia until 2015. Imran’s research wasn’t very thorough.
Taken in it’s entirety majority of men didn’t vote just like women. This is kinda like the pay gap complaint. There are very few men that are CEOs in the grand scheme of things. But I agree with you that he should have acknowledged that women for the most part didn’t have as much political influence in the early days.
And, before this comes up again (not directed at you, Brick) circumcision =/= genital mutilation.
To you it doesn’t. To a lot of people, even many liberals in the United States it does. The amount of times circumcision goes wrong, especially in countries outside the U.S may shock you.
That isn’t to say I think it’s worse than actual female mutilation , but that’s just a differing of opinion you may have with the author.
Moving on…
Read that last sentence and tell me this piece isn’t biased as hell.
I already touched on this a bit. There is no masculinity vacuum in entertainment. That’s just not true.
Not true to you but I think it’s true considering the type of characters he is talking about.
I agree that there was a spell where a lot of modern TV showed husbands as bumbling dimwits (King of Queens, Everybody Loves Raymond, etc…). The funny thing about that, though, is 1) both of their wives in the shows were supportive of their idiot husbands and 2) both shows were created by men. Further, a quick Google search shows me the most-watched shows in 2010 were:
The first three are “live” shows (dancing, singing, and the NFL). #4 is NCIS, a shows about a strong male investigator leading a team of mostly men and yes a couple of “strong” women. #5 reality TV (survivor). #6 NCIS LA, again mostly men solving crimes. #6 Charlie fucking Sheen in Two and a half men. So on and so forth. The only show on the list I can think of that might fit his description is Desperate Housewives (I guess, I haven’t seen it) and maybe Mike & Molly (again haven’t seen it).
I think you didn’t get the point he was making.
Can’t say I’ve ever run into the glorification of “cougarhood” nor will I attempt to opine on whether it’s desirable or not.
Um, sex and the city? and a bunch of other shows and movies. “cougar hood” exploded in the mid 2000s where everyone was like “yo that cougar”. It was stupid but it did happen.
Okay, so let’s go back. Iman writes, " The Primal Nature of Men and Women : Genetic research has shown that before the modern era, 80% of women managed to reproduce, but only 40% of men did. The obvious conclusion from this is that a few top men had multiple wives, while the bottom 60% had no mating prospects at all."
That’s not what Dr. Baumeister said. He said, men often died before reproducing. He goes on to talk about some of the reasons why, namely, that men do more extreme things while women take fewer risks specifically so that they can reproduce. Nowhere does he mention the idea that top men had multiple wives or that the bottom 60% had no mating prospects. He either didn’t read his source or he’s using a single quote to be disingenuous.
Are you claiming that the top men did not reproduce more? Uh, I think that flies in the face of how our species came to be. Women always selected for the better male, and that idea of the most optimal partner changed over time for sure but they still always select for the best of the bunch… they do that even now, even with all our modern advances lol
Now we’re getting into my favorite part, the Alpha/beta part.
Let’s break this down. Women want relationships and then women want to end them and culture/society shames men into commitment. Again, we get his opinion and victim Olympics so whatever…
He says 90% of divorces are initiated by women. The link doesn’t work. I found 70% on Psychology Today (published in 2015)
The whole next section is a steaming pile of bias vomit. Women “destroy” the commitment by filing for divorce? In my experience, relationships are destroyed long before divorce papers are filed. Yes, children are harmed by divorce. Yes, men tend to be the ones that have to financially support the women and children.
If most women are the ones filing for divorce, then in the authors view they are the one destroying the commitment, yeah?
“Societies that enforced monogamous marriage made sure all beta men had wives, thus unlocking productive output out of these men who in pre-modern times, would have had no incentive to be productive.” Um, whut?
Yes, even Jordan Peterson has touched upon this in enforced monogamy New York Times piece that got lambasted because people like yourself didn’t know this is actually a term used in anthropology to talk about this exact thing. Educate yourself On the New York Times and “Enforced Monogamy” – Jordan Peterson
I don’t even know what to say about this. Contraception is a cause for the supposed decline of western civilization. That is a heck of an opinion. Again, it’s new to me, but I don’t think he’s using that word right.
This is a conservative/religious viewpoint that has been going around for a long time.
Vacuum cleaners and ovens are the reason why women can work because it used to take women a full day to do the their chores and now it takes them an hour or less. Get the fuck outta here. First of all, with a family of four, it takes an hour to do the dishes. It takes, at last, an hour to cook dinner. This is just laughable.
Um, this is true. This is 100% fucking true. Step outside of the united states buddy and live in a place where you still have to wash dishes by hand, clean clothes by hand, dry hang, mop floors daily, etc. This isn’t laughable, you just can’t picture what life can actually be like outside your comfortable living. LOL
I’m going to go out on a limb and assume 55% of the population sees not having to marry for financial support as a good thing. I can’t imagine being forced to marry someone for financial support. Very few people would want to live like that.
Weird, haven’t we fought about this constantly? Where I say that men are marrying less attractive women then they normally would because of finances. This shit happens all the time now in the U.S.
Okay, so we subsidize single-motherhood. We subsidize a lot of things and men participate too… A quick search tells me about 25% of women age 16-64 are on some form of welfare with 19% of men in the same age group using some form of welfare. Kids use more welfare than men or women (around 35% of 5-under).
Again, conservative viewpoint of the current subsidizations of certain safety nets.
Yes, there are some anecdotes (still not sure if Inman is a fan of these or not) where men are accused of sexual misconduct/harassment and they get fucked royally. There are also a lot of examples of women being raped and no one being punished so I’m not sure what his point is?
Anecdotes? he posted how many rape allegations are actually false. Trump even had his head of education reverse the insane Obama university rape laws. Look into that.
I would say some of these forces liberated women, but, again, we’re both just giving our opinions here. Technology gave them the freedom to pursue careers (be financially independent weird that this guy doesn’t like individual liberty) and the freedom to be promiscuous. Doesn’t contraception benefit men that don’t want kids or a relationship?
Sure, it benefits some of them, but do a quick google search on a recent poll on relationships in college.
The link doesn’t work. I have no idea what “fatocalypse” is. I assume it’s related to increasing obesity rates in the West. Is #1 even accurate? I see an average number of children per household at 2.33 in 1960 dropping to a low of 1.81 in 1987 now at 1.93 in 2019.
I think he means the rapid decline in desirability when a woman gets fat. I don’t disagree with him.
As we saw, women now have approximately 4-5 sexual partners. Not a lot has changed since the invention of contraception. Women didn’t suddenly become whores.
I wouldn’t doubt that women have more partners now than before. I feel like polls may not be the best or surveys may not be so accurate. I highly doubt some women would be open to express their actual numbers.
#4 The notion of leaving because of abuse was also out of the question per the pre-no fault divorce laws we saw earlier. So women were forced into marriage for financial and security reasons, something men have never had to deal with, and they couldn’t get out of an abusive one until now. Do you think the law is better or worse in total now or before no-fault divorce?
Women are definitely taking advantage of this law. lol
The link doesn’t work. Traditionally the bride’s family (I love how he says the bride’s father) pays for the wedding and since she plans it (usually) the cost is up to them, right? My family paid $0 for my wedding. My opinion is that weddings are astronomically expensive and it’s unnecessary too, but Jesus how does he pivot to men being pushovers because weddings are expensive? Expensive weddings are apparently an American tradition:
American women fantasize about the wedding, the diamond ring was a completely bullshit made up market to entice people to buy fucking diamonds. It was beautiful marketing, marketing that fucked the dudes over for decades lol.
I think this tradition is dying now, at least I see it with younger generations having smaller more intimate weddings. This is a good thing. Engagement rings aren’t even a thing in some countries.
The above is the only section, hyperbole aside, that has any merit so far, IMO. He goes off the deep end after that, talking about tyranny, a leftist shadow state, etc… I’m not going to address any of that.
Yes, he gets hyperbolic, but it’s expected.
The link doesn’t work. Okay, some people complain about the gender demographics of the C-suite. I assume because he used the term “supposed” that he doesn’t think there is a glass ceiling for women to become CEOs. That’ snot true:
Fortune 100:
It looks to be even lower in the Fortune 500.
You really think this is deliberate? I don’t think so. I just think most women don’t rise that high, and the ones that do maybe some are decent, but most may be less suited for the position against more male selection.
Personal anecdote- my woman bosses were always inferior in practically every fucking way. And I only see this as getting worse when people will actually look out for women to be CEOs. The pendulum is gonna swing and a bunch of companies are going to be stuck with some shitty ass CEOs lol
As for the glass floor, who is not mentioning it? Feminists? Shouldn’t men be talking about this? Why would you expect women concerned about equal rights for women to talk about a predominantly male issue?
I agree. Feminists don’t actually give a shit about anything but male destruction. Good point. Finally. Took long enough.
Can’t wait for an explanation of how the leftists Obama adminstration forcibly transferred wealth to women. Link doesn’t work.
I thought he gave the explanations?
Women live longer so they get more social security benefits. Okay. Women consume more healthcare, link doesn’t work.
This has always been true.
Another wowzer comment. Rising healthcare costs are because of the feminist agenda. Jesus. Such nuanced analysis.
Yeah I dunno about this one. it’s a stretch.
At no point did he demonstrate that men are excluded from the labor market by social engineering.
This is for sure happening. Maybe not to the degree he believes, but yes I think it is both intentionally and unintentionally.
Finally, we get to the decline of Baltimore, Detroit, and Cleveland. Home prices have declined, okay. The auto industry moved, but the decline isn’t related to that, mkay. So, what’s the reason? Nothing is given. Well, that’s disappointing.
He was talking about the African American community. This has been talked about at length, the single female parent syndrome that plagues this particular demographic.
Sorry, Brick, I did not think this blog post was very good.
It’s a great post and you should read the follow up
https://www.singularity2050.com/gems.html
“Women, Children, and Pets are loved unconditionally, a man is only loved under the condition that he produce something” - Chris Rock
But if you’re going to do a shit job responding to everything by just posting the first links you find that agree with your point of view then ya don’t bother.
I do thank you though. At least you read some of it. Most people here just want me to post triggering comments so they can attack someone. 
not so easily manipulated by someone pretending to be confident or playful in order to get their attention.
Wasn’t the point of game that men should become confident and playful through working on themselves? (and not merely pretend to be confident and playful)
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That is the approach of some in the so-called manosphere. Some of the other stuff I’ve read was very goofy and manipulative.
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I’ve never read the manifesto
but i’m pretty sure “fake it till you make it” is in there
This is really how you’re going to refute his massive post backed up with data and polls that you “just don’t believe” every time they clash with your opinions?
And with the links you post, it is just crazy to accuse someone else of cherry picking articles that support their views.
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Sorry, I’ve done such a good job at staying out of here, but I had to quickly jump in and point out that reading that post was literally hilarious…pretty much just fingers in the ears, shouting “I CANT HEAR YOU” over and over and over and over again.
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I had a response written, but I’ve wasted enough time on this. Jesus Christ, I spent four hours writing that post. I pulled crime numbers and population data and crunched the number is excel. I’m not sure what I expected. I’m done.
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I think my favorite part is that I need to live outside my comfort zone. Guess that time I lived in the poorest parts of Thailand don’t count. Or all that time I spent living in Japan.
Unreal.
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